Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Sent you a private message.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

SALE PENDING... ( Not to WantaKoth, he just joined the forum to make lowball offers).

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Wow. Nice post a month later. Sorry you got your feelings hurt because I didn?t offer you full price. I absolutely don?t think it?s worth 39,500. I made you a pretty solid offer in this market In a (PM) and you didn?t even budge an inch. If you have more than that in the car that?s on you. Doesn?t mean it?s worth what you paid. GLWS.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Offers in the 20?s for a car of this condition is FAR from a solid one, but we?re all entitled to our own opinion.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

It is a pretty safe bet that "wantaKoth" may be wanting for some time yet making 20k offers on ZR-1's worth considerably more.

A two month two post opinion, but welcome to it.

Your "offer" doesn't make it worth that either.

Good Luck with your buy.
:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Man, that's pretty well offensive for that beautiful car. As much as I would have loved to have It, I hope you did well off of it.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

(Me)
How is the windshield?

(Him)
Very minor delamination. It was stored inside. I could get you pictures if you want to send me an e-mail address


(Him)
It?s all in the listing

(Me)
Ok. I didn?t see anything about the delimitation. Sorry. For what your asking for 37,500. It should be perfect. I?m interested but not at that price. I think a fair price is more around 32,000 because you have some documentation. If that interests you let me know. If not glws. Thanks.


Sorry guys but he?s a liar.
Just because I?m new you think you can do/say whatever you want about somebody.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

$32K is already above the average for a '91 with 10K miles. Of course, provenance, condition, and rarity will all drive up the price, but then it enters into a fuzzy zone where the needs of the seller and buyer need to intersect. This sounds like a straightforward case where this intersection did not occur, so we should move forward without name-calling. Maybe best for the mods to close this thread?

WantaKoth - good luck with your search (I mean that genuinely, not sarcastically at all).

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Easy on the name calling.
We avoid that here.
Members help folks, particularly new ones.
So best to keep that in mind, as you will likely be like the rest of us and need help yourself from time to time.

Darn near all ZR-1's have delam.
It does NOT make them worth any less.
Something that you will learn in time.
Continued luck in your search.
:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Hey Marty. (you?re supposed to be a professional) You and bowtiguy bashed me with no problem. You didn?t even know the facts. 32k for a first offer is not a low ball 20k offer.

Here Is his response to my 32k offer. (So you know)

Some documentation? I have it ALL including a top-flight NCRS award at 99.5%. You?re not gonna buy a $40,000 car for 32,000 bucks ....at least you?re not for me.

I hope you know what you?re getting into for what these cars need. You?re gonna want proof All the known issues on these cars have been addressed. Otherwise you?re looking at 4-6k in parts and you do all the work.


You might want to look for a C4 grand sport or collectors addition. Local dealer will work on those.

Very nice how you guys treat new members.

Next time know the facts before you comment on something.

As far as name calling goes I only speak the truth so if you don?t like it don?t deserve the name.

Thanks guys.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

We all buy these cars for different reasons. I will speak from both sides of the tracks. I drive these cars. I drive garage queens (ncrsblabbbla) and modified Common cars. From my experience, cars are not investments, if the seller sees it as such. Run!

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Don?t get me wrong, I love these cars and understand their value. Our grandkids will see it! Enjoy them, drive them.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

NCRS to me means "investor quality" and more personal attachment to the car from the owner. I purchased two NCRS candidates last year, a 1990 with 1900 miles and a 1995 with 2900 miles. Investor quality for sure. Here is where the problems started for me. I found myself feeling bad about racking up the miles on these cars. So I sold the 90 with now 4,300 miles and purchased two drivers for less money as a replacement. My 95 has 9,400 miles currently. One should ask yourself and answer this question honestly.

Am I going to drive it or NCRS it?

My recommendation is to buy a car that best fits your answer and stick with the plan. You as a buyer will be happier with your purchase and the buyer and seller usually have similar ideas, that usually makes the transaction easy.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

To your point, Yes, An NCRS Top Flight Award is an independent and highly objective confirmation that a particular car, at the time that it was judged, is both original to how the car was initially configured, and retains it's condition as close as judged to how it was the day it was assembled.

The car in this case, scored a 99.5 even with 9,800 miles.
Said another way. A car with 9800 miles earned 4477 points out of a possible 4500 the day that they judged it.

It just does not get statistically or significantly much better than that, period.

In laymen terms. one would call that car " near-perfect"

It has been authenticated to be a genuine ZR-1, with the proper power-train, equipment colors, trim, and is correct in all elements of it's originality and as near to new condition as one could find.

Such a car is universally understood to be correct just from viewing the judging sheets, and proof that operationally, it's basic functionality, was intact.
One does not need to "see" such a car to know that, PROVIDED it has been maintained since the award, which is all that then needs to be substantiated.

Does the above have an effect on the car's value?

Absolutely, there is no doubt.

However, any individual makes their own determination of "personal" value for themselves. This means that they are welcome to ignore or value such provenance or pedigree, but at the risk of being foolish should they choose to value their own opinion over highly codified and specific objective evaluation such as is done by knowledgeable groups such as the NCRS.

You need not like it, but it is that rigorous judging that strengthens the market value of the entire mark because of it's existence and is why the values move upwards as cars become eligible for judging.

An NCRS Top Flight or Bloomington Gold, Survivor, or Benchmark designation is the very definition of a "Blue-Chip" car.

:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

So would you drive it or wax it? I?m not arguing NCRS?s value. I personally don?t need to be told how authentic my cars are. I was trying to say the same thing. You pay $ for these certificates. You best decide what you want to do with your Zr1 before buying such a quality car. I so want that black Z06 with the 427 in it you have for sale! Anyone snag that up yet?

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Marty
"... their own opinion and highly codified and specific
objective evaluation..."

I love it, you silver tongued devil...!!! 😀

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

I would drive it AND wax it!

I rarely put over 500 miles a year on each, if that, so at that rate it is pretty simple to retain it's condition while still enjoying it.

And yes, the hot rod Z06 is still in the front showroom.
One BAD xss Corvette!
:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Doug,
I am still trying to figure out if that was positive or negative. :D
Stay well friend!
:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

+++++++++!

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

WOW! I go off the grid for a week fishing and my FS thread goes viral ;-)

Wantakoth: I must have confused your offer with another I had around the same time that was in the high 20's NOT the low 20's as you pointed out. I deleted our PRIVATE messages?s. So I won?t be able to share them in their entirety . Either way, your offer was only slightly over that offer. Hardly makes me a liar, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Its well known purchasing tactic for "some" dealers/individuals to low ball sellers in the hopes of adding inventory or getting a deal. Your VERY recent addition to this forum combined with your subsequent offer led me to believe you fell into this category. I guess your activity moving forward will tell.

I will say that this forum is unlike ANY I've ever seen in the car community. The knowledge and willingness to help new members is unparalleled. If you plan to buy a C4 ZR-1 and you need help with it, these guys are as good as it gets.

Ram-G. Close the thread because a buyer & seller couldn?t agree on a price??? A Little harsh for the guy who took the time to list it. I was under the impression threads were deleted only after an item was sold.

MARTY, I'm sure you've sold more low mileage/ NCRS ZR-1's than anyone. You are in a league of your own on these near stock cars. BaT, Hagerty, Mecum and Barret-Jackson aren?t the only market indicators on these cars, but you already know that. If I lived a bit closer, my car would have been in your showroom and sold long ago, I'm sure of that. I don't know how you deal with people as seller on a regular basis.

UPDATE: The car IS still available and has not had ANY miles put on it since it completed judging August 2019. Only started and run up to temperature a few times. It has only been marketed here and the CF. That will change very soon.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

It's a beautiful car, and the mileage is great. The problem is, and I mean no offense by this, the price. Pristine examples of 91' ZR-1s are selling for around $30k at most. At around $37k, its just well above market.


While I personally would prefer a 91' (because I like the wheel) over a 94' or 95', most of the market is for the last two year models bc of the a-mold wheel that the car came with. And those cars are selling for between $24k and $28k. Ones with under 5k miles are going for about $28k to $35k depending on rareness of options/ownership records.



That said, some have sold for more than expected over the last few months so that is hopeful for values in the future.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

In your expert opinion, pristine examples are worth $30K at most.

Does that mean your offer of $23K still stands? If so, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider this car a pristine example?

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Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

I?d take it fir $25k! :)

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

No idea why people get so upset when you try to help them. If you want to get offended, that is your perogative. I can go get several 90' and 91' ZR-1s with under 20k miles, in some cases under 15k miles, for about $17k to $20k. No, I don't think I'm interested in this car, I'm looking for aqua blue, turquoise, yellow, black, or polo green and preference in that order, but best of luck with sale.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

SOLD! does that make it 40K can $$ all in? :handshak:

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Damn near, yes.

I looked at a LOT of Corvettes before I bought mine, and yours was certainly the prettiest. If I would have really stretched for one, it would have been yours!

However, I do have a few unchecked lottery tickets.... :)

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

I'm not offended, just irritated. I guess I really don't see how giving your unsolicited opinion on a for sale thread that you didn't start helps me out really?!?! I expect Internet appraisals on Facebook, just seams below grade for this group.

Like you point out, they made nearly 7,000 ZR-1's and there are several at your indicated price point, but are they sorted? I mean EVERYTHING gone through... turn key, NCRS Top Flight certified ( not delivery certified ), unmolested cars? not at $17-20K.

APPLES to Oranges really.

In my best Star Wars Jedi voice " This isn't the car you are looking for ".

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

cheap zr1 cars are not sorted, they have all the normal things that need attention/ and are not super clean/ now im shure every now and then someone hits the jackpot as with any deal sometimes, super clean z and well sorted all there/certified- not gonna happen with a under 20k sale

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Wow, again you seem to find the best deals around!

Go get em!

Let us know how many you get.

:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

The opinion was offered b/c the car had been for sale for a while. After taking a look at it, the why seemed pretty obvious. It's all a question of whether the sale is the goal or whether getting the right price is the goal. I've got a Viper that I probably wouldn't sell for "market" whatever that may be, largely because I love the car and have no interest in selling. But if the right offer came along, sure I would sell it.


With regard to 'sorted' v. not. I don't really expect any car I buy to be sorted. Most will likely need new tires if the intent is to drive the car. Most are going to have some quirky part that the prior owner installed and will need to be removed, maybe a new clutch, or windshield (if you can find one). I expect to have to spend $2-4k sorting at minimum no matter how pristine it looks. But I take that into account when pricing the car. If the car is $20k, I fully expect to spend at least $3k sorting it, maybe $5k making it pristine. If the car is $25k, I wouldn't expect it to need more than tires and maybe a slightly touch up in paint, maybe some minor wear that will need attention in the future. If the car is $30k, it should be perfect, but every perfect car I've seen still needs something.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Finding deals isn't hard, it's just research. Kinda like shopping at Corvette Mike. You are going to pay more if you go to Mike, a lot more, but you also get the convenience of a one stop shop. But if you look around for the diamond in the rough on some place like on Craigslist, and wade through the BS and scams, you may just find a great car and pay 50% less than the Corvette Mikes of the world will charge for the same car.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Funny.
I shopped for months, and the ?cheap? ones would have ended up Being very expensive. Good cars cost good money. Cars like the one in question in this thread are amongst the finest ZR1s available. I still think it is very fairly priced for what it is.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

To be clear, I was being facetious.

Those "deals" are likely crap cars.

You don't get $40k+ cars in the teens unless someone is an ignoramus.

SHOW ME THE DEAL.

Admittedly there ARE ignoramuses out there, but my searching rarely if ever, uncovers a gem for peanuts.

When someone gets a 5,000 mile perfect car for $15,000.00 I will be the first to congratulate you.

Show me when it is in the driveway and running.

As always, Good Luck!

Might help if one stops smokin that funny stuff..................

5k mile ZR-1s in 2020 for 15K............

How did that guy used to say it......

"yeah........... that the ticket, sure that's right.....................

:cheers:
Marty

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

John Luvitz quote, Love it Marty!

I've updated pictures with the factory wheels/tires on the car. I have a ton more on request. Heres a few interior shots. I can say with confidence this interior is a 10 out of 10.

Full disclosure, It now has 9901 miles so I'm sure its worth abut $5k less. Guess we'll see!

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

a few more. The backlighting on every switch rally stands out at night and they all work! unlike my H3 alpha w/ 160K miles.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

bowtiguy, I also have a '91 dk red met Z. Have had it since late 2001. Needless to say, love the car. Got it with 10k ms., currently have 26k ms. I'd have to say that mine is in show condition, but not to the extent of yours. Not that I'm ready yet to sell mine, I'm not real happy with the way the C4's pricing have gone. To me and many others, yours is a reasonable price and I wish you luck in selling it. It does need to go to a collector.
Good luck

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

I hate to be that guy, but...apparently, after nearly 11 months, it's not the car anyone is looking for.

It's incredibly clean, but these just aren't bringing that kind of money. Especially not a 1991.

Good luck though, hopefully the right buyer comes along wanting a rare color.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Man, it's still about as pretty a car as I've seen.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

Part of the problem is its too pristine to modify but that?s part of the fun in owning a ZR is making it your own.

Re: FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles
 

A more accurate quote would be it is not the car that anyone currently on this site, who mostly already own one or more ZR-'s, is looking to buy.
Most buyers of the NCRS / Bloomington Level ZR-1 Corvettes are found through other website ads.
Although our 700 or so members mostly love the car and are quite knowledgeable about them, they are not the only buying pool out there.
To find a buyer for a near perfect higher priced car, one must get it in front of as many eyes as possible until the one person who wants THAT car sees it.
While our membership certainly buys and sells ZR-1's, we are only a small subset of buyers. Ads in NCRS Driveline, Hemmings, and a dozen or more other similar sites attract those who may not know of the Registry, but are looking for a high quality car nonetheless.
Our members "know" the cars very well. Others without such knowledge rely more on Top Flight or Bloomington pedigree achievements to assure them they are buying the real deal.
Same car priced at 20k would sell in a day, 30k maybe a month.
It is worth the asking price to one who demands exactly that kind of car in that condition, and is willing to pay a premium to get what they want.
It takes time and exposure to find them.
Continued luck with the sale!
:cheers:
Marty