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Polo-1 08-14-2013 10:58 PM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
We have a few good porting guys out there for sure. Ryan's work is just on a different level.

Pete 08-15-2013 12:17 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrrem (Post 180270)
Keep good notes Yun, if I ever find a motor, I'll be going that route too ;-)

Rich

Hey Rich I have the perfect short block for you.
If all you need is crank and block I have a 1991 with 50k miles.
If you want block and crank it's yours for $600.

Pete

Scrrem 08-15-2013 08:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 180297)
Hey Rich I have the perfect short block for you.
If all you need is crank and block I have a 1991 with 50k miles.
If you want block and crank it's yours for $600.

Pete

Hey Pete,
Well, just when I needed my next project :) You have a sale!! I'll shoot you a pm. To work out the details.
Rich

secondchance 08-15-2013 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrrem (Post 180310)
Hey Pete,
Well, just when I needed my next project :) You have a sale!! I'll shoot you a pm. To work out the details.
Rich

That's a deal!
I guess we will be talking pistons and rods at the cars and coffee.

dredgeguy 08-16-2013 09:41 AM

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The floodgates are open..........when one Wazoo starts...............this is going to be fun.
Can't wait to get together and share notes.

ZZZZZR1 08-16-2013 10:34 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Nice deal Rich!!!!

Another potential high hp wazoo car coming

:cheers:

David

secondchance 03-18-2014 10:38 PM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Last post was in August 2013. Now an update, finally my motor is out of the car, plenum and IHs are with Lee. I will be picking up my disassembled motor from Frank who was tasked with removal and disassembly. Next will be cleaning the block and taking the pieces to a machine shop for valve job and partial assembly.
It has been a long wait (to find right guy to do the dirty work since I live in a condo) but finally I am beginning to see the light!
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...psb6830f5b.jpg
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps923f5593.jpg

scottfab 03-18-2014 11:55 PM

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Keep the steady flow of pictures coming as it progresses.

HAWAIIZR-1 03-19-2014 01:01 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Best wishes with your build Yun! Mahalo for sharing photos. :cheers:

Scrrem 03-19-2014 07:17 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Great Yun, long time coming!! Well looks like you and I are are set up for "Twin 380's"...LOL!! I should have my crank and rotating assembly parts back soon.
Rich

alnukem 03-19-2014 07:20 AM

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No Cylinder Head porting?????

secondchance 03-19-2014 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alnukem (Post 198212)
No Cylinder Head porting?????

Of course, it will be ported.

RICKYRJ1 03-19-2014 05:50 PM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrrem (Post 198211)
Great Yun, long time coming!! Well looks like you and I are are set up for "Twin 380's"...LOL!! I should have my crank and rotating assembly parts back soon.
Rich

you suck! I have 380 envy!!! :cheers: cant wait till you are both done to check them out

alnukem 03-19-2014 08:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by secondchance (Post 198249)
Of course, it will be ported.

Thank goodness! We do have an image to keep up! Keep us in the loop.

secondchance 03-19-2014 09:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alnukem (Post 198261)
Thank goodness! We do have an image to keep up! Keep us in the loop.

For sure!

"you suck! I have 380 envy!!! :cheers: cant wait till you are both done to check them out".

Rickey,

It's been a long winter. Never thought I would get to come this far. Without the WAZOO gang, never would have made it.

RICKYRJ1 03-20-2014 06:12 AM

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I hear ya brother Yun, one couldn't ask for a better bunch of guys. I also hope one day to have my LT5 massaged and will reach out the WAZOO collective for assistance. We gotta get our good ole farmer brother Darrin to break off a piece of land for us and build a track for tune & testing. :-D

LGAFF 03-21-2014 09:16 PM

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Tope end pretty much done, just need to clean up the port match

Stock vs Ported

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSCN5654.jpg

Plenum/IH

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSCN5644.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSCN5647.jpg

LGAFF 03-21-2014 09:19 PM

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http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSCN5648.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSCN5661.jpg

secondchance 03-22-2014 12:06 AM

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Thanks, Lee! Can't wait to mate those IHs and the plenum, finished in Tiger Drylac anodized silver, back on the heads!

Disassembled motor was dropped off at the machine shop today. Of course, I was totally lost until Phil showed up and started talking to the shop owner. Lloyd, the owner of the machine shop, obviously was a total gearhead and I could tell how much he was enjoying talking to Phil. Also got a tour of the shop.
Phil and Lloyd did some forensics on how I ended up blowing exhaust into the cooling system. If I understood correct, it was a combination of mileage and a defect on the head gasket.
Mind you, both head gaskets were intact - no distortion.

Below is the 1-3-5-7 head. Problem was with the #5 cylinder.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps62de0208.jpg

Cylinder #5 - notice the notch?
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps980d00c5.jpg

Corresponding segment of the head gasket.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...psc68173f9.jpg

Interestingly we found a "v" shaped depression on the other head. It turns out head gasket had a small imperfection, which was quite visible, responsible for this depression.
Perhaps, there was some over-heating due to low coolant when the OEM radiator went that exacerbated this weakness.

Whatever caused the sequence of event, this LT5 served me and served me well for the last 13 years and 140,000 miles. Better yet, I get to have a hand assembled 4" by 3.75" 377!!! - I LOVE IT!!!
I have always loved cars and especially Vettes. Owned Vettes since 1979. However, had I not run into the Net Registry and WAZOO in particular, I wouldn't have known of what can be done and couldn't have even dreamt of 380 build.

Thank you Net Registry and WAZOO!:cheers:

SAM/CH ZR-1 03-22-2014 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by secondchance (Post 179034)
For me driveability and durability is most important. Also, trying to minimize cost. I might go with stage 1 intake cam (if I can find one at reasonable cost) but most likely keep stock exhaust cams.

In my 383 (4.030 bore x 3.75 stroke) I have stage 1 inlet and stock exhaust cams.
My engine has the following additional mods.

-37.5 mm inlet ports
-Headers
-2.75 Inch PowerEffects exhaust System
-catalytic converters
-SGC base chip (thank you Aaron)

With 800 miles on the clock and without a final adjusted chip I went on a dyno and it pulled about 560 HP at the crank. Here in Europe we measure always the power at the crank, unfortunately.
The car has stock gears and is as fast as a C6 Z06. The weight of my ZR-1 is 3'530 lbs

With a adjusted chip and better modified secondaries there is still space for some additional HP's

Sam

Scrrem 03-22-2014 05:07 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Well Yun, the mystery is solved. Great write up on the head gasket, sorry I missed you guys at the shop. No more stock radiators for your...Huh? Keep the write ups coming....I'm right behind you.
Rich

XfireZ51 03-22-2014 09:14 AM

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I had the Pete Intake cam w stock exhaust combo on my 5.7L. Very nice and smooth. After going w the exhaust cam it made things a bit more raucous but added another ~ 20rwhp. BTW, I did the calibration for my config as well as GC's 380.






Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM/CH ZR-1 (Post 198393)
In my 383 (4.030 bore x 3.75 stroke) I have stage 1 inlet and stock exhaust cams.
My engine has the following additional mods.

-37.5 mm inlet ports
-Headers
-2.75 Inch PowerEffects exhaust System
-catalytic converters
-SGC base chip (thank you Aaron)

With 800 miles on the clock and without a final adjusted chip I went on a dyno and it pulled about 560 HP at the crank. Here in Europe we measure always the power at the crank, unfortunately.
The car has stock gears and is as fast as a C6 Z06. The weight of my ZR-1 is 3'530 lbs

With a adjusted chip and better modified secondaries there is still space for some additional HP's

Sam


FU 03-22-2014 11:16 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM/CH ZR-1 (Post 198393)
In my 383 (4.030 bore x 3.75 stroke) I have stage 1 inlet and stock exhaust cams.
My engine has the following additional mods.

-37.5 mm inlet ports
-Headers
-2.75 Inch PowerEffects exhaust System
-catalytic converters
-SGC base chip (thank you Aaron)

With 800 miles on the clock and without a final adjusted chip I went on a dyno and it pulled about 560 HP at the crank. Here in Europe we measure always the power at the crank, unfortunately.
The car has stock gears and is as fast as a C6 Z06. The weight of my ZR-1 is 3'530 lbs

With a adjusted chip and better modified secondaries there is still space for some additional HP's

Sam

560 crank HP..........what compression ratio is on the engine ??

SAM/CH ZR-1 03-22-2014 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FU (Post 198399)
560 crank HP..........what compression ratio is on the engine ??

Hello Frank

The engine has a 12.5 : 1 compression ratio and run with stock head gaskets.
As mentionned it has catalytic converters installed.
You can feel the acceleration difference if it run with or without cats.

Sam

SAM/CH ZR-1 03-22-2014 11:36 AM

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Here a Youtube Video of a friend of mine who run his 350 cui Callaway LT5 at night on a german Highway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaB0...ature=youtu.be

316 km/h is like 198 mph and the car was not at its speed limit. I love the german highways because there our biests can show what they really can.

Sam

secondchance 03-28-2014 05:26 PM

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Updates:

Engine bay cleaned in preparation to received updated motor - 2 cans of Gunk, Dawn and water scrubbing followed by Deep Purple degreaser.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps0c0fa0ae.jpg

Cleaned up block with new 4" liners. Notice the torque plate?
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps0fa4931b.jpg

Cleaned up lower block. Notice discoloration on main bearings? Lloyd told me this rebuild was timely.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps8299409c.jpg

Close up of bearing surface.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps5ec63ff0.jpg

ZZZZZR1 03-28-2014 05:36 PM

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Very cool!

Thanks for the updates!!

:cheers:

David

Scrrem 03-28-2014 05:45 PM

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Good Stuff Yun! Looks like Loyd is moving right along!
Rich

FU 03-28-2014 06:43 PM

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What oil was use in the motor ?

secondchance 03-28-2014 06:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FU (Post 198967)
What oil was use in the motor ?

Mobil 1, at least, since I bought this car in 2000. I think I was using 10-40 when I lived in Florida ('till August 2001) and switched to 10-30 when I moved back to VA. Similar wear on the rod bearings also.

RICKYRJ1 03-28-2014 07:09 PM

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Very cool Yun, keep feeding us Z mortals more pics/info great stuff :fahne:

Schrade 03-28-2014 08:44 PM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM/CH ZR-1 (Post 198393)
In my 383 (4.030 bore x 3.75 stroke) I have stage 1 inlet and stock exhaust cams.
My engine has the following additional mods.

-37.5 mm inlet ports
-Headers
-2.75 Inch PowerEffects exhaust System
-catalytic converters
-SGC base chip (thank you Aaron)

With 800 miles on the clock and without a final adjusted chip I went on a dyno and it pulled about 560 HP at the crank. Here in Europe we measure always the power at the crank, unfortunately.
The car has stock gears and is as fast as a C6 Z06. The weight of my ZR-1 is 3'530 lbs

With a adjusted chip and better modified secondaries there is still space for some additional HP's

Sam

Did you happen to do a Before + After HP reading of the PE pipes?

I'm curious if any more HP comes with this PE 3" hardware, over what Marc says is available by opening up the resonator restriction (I think he says 10??? ),

Jeff? [Shrek]? You happen to know?

I'm sure I lost double-digit HP's + TQ with the automatic - tranny fluid pump, TQ convertor, etc., ...

A26B 03-28-2014 09:23 PM

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Would you mind taking a shot of the #4 & #5 main bearings? The #4 seems to be the one that wears the most. I think the wear & wear pattern look very good. How many miles on the engine?

Thanks for the photos.

secondchance 03-28-2014 09:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A26B (Post 198986)
Would you mind taking a shot of the #4 & #5 main bearings? The #4 seems to be the one that wears the most. I think the wear & wear pattern look very good. How many miles on the engine?

Thanks for the photos.

Jerry,

If I can stop by the shop early next week, I will take close ups of all.
I have 140,000+ on this engine.

May I ask what prompted "the wear & wear pattern look very good"?

Jagdpanzer 03-29-2014 09:54 AM

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Yun,
I'm with Jerry, by the looks of the photos the bearings appear to be in darn good shape for 140k miles.

secondchance 03-29-2014 11:04 AM

Re: Secondchance - 380 build begins!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagdpanzer (Post 199003)
Yun,
I'm with Jerry, by the looks of the photos the bearings appear to be in darn good shape for 140k miles.

Glad to hear. While at the shop yesterday looked at the new main bearing set from Kurt with Lloyd. He told me those were King Bearings and would have been his choice.

I don't know the sequence but these are upper mains.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps20c6171f.jpg

5ABI VT 03-31-2014 02:55 PM

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Awesome stuff keep the updates coming !! Love watching motors get built :) Unfortunately for me I built a 388 for my 93 and it blew up, and shelled out for a all out 370ci build the second time around.. and then bought a z :-x I sure wish I spent all that on an LT5 build ! But as my wife always says I'm OCD when it comes to anything that I want... and a built LT5 is what I want!! :dancing

Picking up a lot of info on build ups from threads like yours thanks again for sharing :) If I may ask all the guys, Is there a source atm for stroker cranks ? OP did you consider a stroker crank?

secondchance 04-03-2014 06:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 5ABI VT (Post 199113)
OP did you consider a stroker crank?

Sure did. But the cost was prohibitive - about $6,000 from what I understand.

Stopped by the machine shop this afternoon. Short block is almost done. Lloyd was torqueing the rod bearings - I think!

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps91c6e89a.jpg

A peek from below.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps98859b0a.jpg

A close up.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/u...psbf746c68.jpg

USAZR1 04-03-2014 06:41 PM

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Yun,what did you use for con rods & pistons?

Scrrem 04-03-2014 06:47 PM

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Looking Great Yun!
Rich


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