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It's funny isn't it? I mean the craving thing. Probably some secret ingrediant they put in to increase sales!! Ha Ha!

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I admire Ford for not taking the bailout. However, Ford is a much smaller company than GM. Also, Alan Mulally, was called out of retirement to head up a struggling Ford just a couple of years prior. He was the Project Manager for Boeing on the 777. He did an amazing job on that project! So, they did themselves well by hiring him!!

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I have only driven my ZR-1 through the Inn-n-Out burger drive-thru.:-D

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Thanks Cliff, that was a good article, but unless I read it wrong, compensation package was $75.00 p/h.

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I hear that same bloated faux noise BS from time to time. I think these people get fuzzy brain from too much "pink slime". It good to see real facts being posted.

Remember that game in grade school where something is whispered in someones ear the passed on around the room and comes out different from the last one in line? That's I think how $82/hr stuff starts and propagates. Next you'll hear the unions are communist conspiracies or extra terrestrials. :) . The sad fact is facebook and media like the forum make it easier to spread false info.

Challenge what you hear. Hear both sides. Use common sense. Don't jump on a band wagon out of hate.;)

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Common sense has become a rare trait these days!

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Guy's, I'm bailing on this. Exactly who's facts do we believe? Facts are indisputable. Every time I hear a "fact", tomorrow it turns out it really isn't. 'Nough said.

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[QUOTE=XfireZ51;138058]If the Lord has helped us, Obama has not slowed down that $4 gas. Can I hear a $5 :p
DADT no problem, They got caught they got kicked out, simple. But now that soldiers can be openly gay we have a problem. Let us look at this legally and logically. Basic Training. We seperate the males and the females into different barracks for a reason. Correct? Fraternzation goes on every cycle and we can't stop it. We have young men and women with raging harmones away from home for the first time for most in close quarters. Now do we seperate the straight males from the gay males and the the gay male by orientation(?) and the do female the same? Just to stop fraternzation. This a legal concern. Let's not forget your transgender. How many check SEX boxes do we need to be PC. Now let us move this into the military main stream. I can only talk about the Infantry. I was an Infantryman for 26 yrs and we had no sexual harassment problems. But today an Infantry leader will have to deal with male/male harassment and fraternzation. On the harassment side a leader cannot watch all his soldiers 24 hrs a day a day can not read their minds, but accidents happen in combat and in training, FACT. This will bring down the morale of the fight soldier. So yes I do have a problem with it, Not becuase of a soldiers sexual orientation but that of two soldiers orientation together. Male/female or male/male or female/female. But I claiming to be a lesbian.:cheers:
George W signed a blank check saying that he would give his life if need be in the defense of his country as did his father. Did Obama ever sign anything saying he would give his life defending this country and it's people? NOPE. Watching it on TV and playing the video game isn't the same. Going into a war zone with more protection than the Pope doesn't give you combat experience. The last President with Combat experience was George H..
"Nuff Said"- Stan Lee

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[QUOTE=MikeGolf;138118]I don't have combat experience. What does that make me?
A president can't be a good president without signing something that say's he'd give his life? hmmm
George H was an exceptional individual. A war hero.
FYI here is the Presidential Oath. Seems pretty straight forward.
nuff said. Oh I mean typed.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Europe has shown the unisex bathrooms work.
I got use to it while there.
I don't think we can underestimate the ability of today's soldier to adapt.
I'd prefer this to all go away but if it's here it's here.
Putting our head in the sand does not make it go away.
I respect the opinion of those who have served and served many years.
And yet that was then. This is now. Times change.
In the last 4yrs I've adapted to the idea that gays are in fact people
and deserve to be treated as such. It's time the nation think it through.

Now on to health care :)
Oh boy.......
Nah, time to let this thread die of natural causes.

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[QUOTE=MikeGolf;138118]Stan

Let me make it simpler for you. They get shot or blown up, they bleed red.
That's enough said.

And it's easy to sign a blank check about serving your country when it's your daddy that make sure it never gets cashed. BTW, where was W for a year? Nobody's saying. Rehab??-

I'm assuming you won't be voting for Romney if service in the military is a criteria. Do missions in France count?

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In Kabul, Afghanistan on 31 Jul 07 at 0845 I witnessed what blind loyalty to a faith or a leader can do. I know the color of honor and the color of corwardice is. I earned the rights to wear medals and badges that many great people have done before me. I will always question the integrity of anyone that calls himself a politcian. No you do not have to serve to be a great American. It takes those that build the beans and bullets so we can fight to make the soldier win. But I welcome Home those Vietnam vets that got spit on and called baby killers by their fellow countrymen. They are HERO's.
As for Obama defending the constitution, Isn't his administration fighting in the Supreme Court to see if his Health Care is even constitional legal. So what constitution does he defend when he makes up his own? Or the one ACORN wanted. Or Hollywood has envisioned.
I would also like to point out that this is a demoracy where the majority rules. That doesn't mean that a minority can infringe it's beliefs on the majority. Remember MAJORITY RULES, they may be people but don't force it on me. Or your health care that a majority of states are suing against. But that is why I fought is so that every American can have their own opion no matter how stupid I think it may be. That's what makes America Great Freedom of Speech, Try that overseas.

Stan Lee wrote Spiderman, X-men comic books he always ended them with "nuff said" I quoted him.

PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!!!!!!

Honor

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a2...D550/ry%3D400/

Cowardice

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a2...D550/ry%3D400/

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You're obfuscating. BTW, in our Constitution it is the rights of the individual that are protected, not those of a "majority". That's what you fought for and I salute your service.

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Thanks for your support. Now I can be a politician. ;)

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Mike, I respect, and thank you for your service. And, you have the right to believe what you think is right. You also have the right to speak your beliefs, and I respect that.

The Constitution was established to protect the IDIVIDUAL'S rights, not that of the majority. We have the right to vote, as a group, however, the Supreme Court is there to rule on disputed issues. The Affordable Health Care Law was upheld by some judges as well as ruled unconstitutional by others. The Supreme Court is deciding the matter, hopefully, ignoring politics.

As for gay's in the military, they have been there since the begining of time. I can only imagine what the Greek and Roman Armies were like! Anyway, I think that the only thing that will change is that these people will be able to serve, honorably, without the fear of being kicked out! Remember, they still will have to live by the rules and laws under UCMJ. They break the law, they serve the punishment.

Also, there was a reason our forefather's saw fit to have civilian rule over the military. Yes, we have had presidents that served, but it is not a requirement.

Anyway, welcome home my friend! Be safe, and be true to your beliefs! Keep an open mind though!:handshak:

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Mike -

It is funny how these great Americans who say the current leader is doing a good job or want to argue with you, someone with 26 years of experience in the
Infantry think they have the right to comment on DADT or other issues.

I don't think it is completely neccessary to have Military background to be the President, but you better damn well support it, unlike our current leader who appologizes and would not wear an american flag on his lapel until he received so much heat for it.

Also, he did not get Bin Laden, that fell in his lap, right place, right time! If he was in charge when 9-11 happened he would of apologized for something and we would have set on our thumbs.

Comments like he waisted his first 2 years drive me nuts. You are top dog, he chose to do what he did, he chose to be a follower instead of a Leader! He has done nothing for us but make promise after promise just like he did when he was running, all talk. Maybe you dont agree with Bush going into Iraq but at least he made a decision and stood by it. Maybe we did not find WMA's but at least we were not seen as weak cowards, i'm glad we went.

What we need is a strong, confident, Leader, one who is truly proud to be an American. All politics suck, i have always tried to stay away from this but it is hard with him in charge.

Look it is already hard to be a Soldier these days but he has made it even harder...

Oh, I currently have 21 years in as a Infantry Soldier

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[QUOTE:It is funny how these great Americans who say the current leader is doing a good job or want to argue with you, someone with 26 years of experience in the
Infantry think they have the right to comment on DADT or other issues.QUOTE]

Everyone has their opinion. And the right to express it!

What were you doing in 1968? I was enduring almost nightly rocket and mortar attacks in Vietnam! I spent many nights in a trench with my M-14 ready to defend our small post from the NVA!

I enlisted in 1965 and was regular Army! I spent 4 years in the service. Every generation of my family has served in the military back to the Civil War, including North and South! I havn't researched back to the Revolutionary war yet, but my family has been here since prior to 1700!

I think Obama has done a stand up job regardless of the uncomprimising Tea Party Repubs that have tried to block every move he has made to try to fix what they created!

Just because I have different opinions than you does not make me any less of an American or less Patriotic!

I do not hate you, I just have a different opinion of things. This is just a discussion. That is all!

Over and out!:salute:

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Wow, profound and well articulated.

A key feature to look for on those that disagree with policy is the language. There is hate for the man (president) and not the policy itself. Those are the haters.
Why are some of the states oppose to the current health care law? And why is it in the court? Because it maybe in fact unconstitutional. If so, so be it. That does NOT mean the president that supported it is against the constitution or violating his oath. It's a test of the legality. Only if he challenges the courts authority is he violation his oath.

My opinion of heath care is this. It's a simple embarrassment that we didn't have a health care law. nuff said. We can go off following a supposed "strong" leader even if he's wrong but we can't take care of our own? sad.

Bin Ladin thrown in Obama's lap? Yah right. That's why it took 3yrs to find and approve of taking him out. Oh wait. He couldn't make that decision right? He's weak, right? The only thing that got thrown in Obama's lap was a high pile of stinking economy with banks running a muck. Thanks to George W and his mediocre fumbling ways.

One of the things I admired about George H was that he got into wiping out Sadam and then got out. I don't disagree with this country taking decisive action against tyrants but we have a terrible record of getting the hell out when done. What? we're still there protecting our freedom over here? hmmmm

Ok next onto the "Buffet" tax.... I'd really like to hear arguments of why billionairs should not pay more that 14% tax and I pay 31%?
Oh sorry I should say "job providers" right?
I'm going to be watching very carefully what law-makes oppose this come voting day. Remember these are the same law-makes that raise their own salaries and benefits even as the country suffers.

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Bin Ladin thrown in Obama's lap? Yah right. That's why it took 3yrs to find and approve of taking him out. Oh wait. He couldn't make that decision right? He's weak, right? The only thing that got thrown in Obama's lap was a high pile of stinking economy with banks running a muck. Thanks to George W and his mediocre fumbling ways.

First, I resepct your opinion on whoever you like as the President or want as the President, no issues there....

What i have an issue is when people bring in the Military stuff, and #1 have not served or #2 dont know the real facts.

He was the Presdient at the right time with Bin Laden, if you have been there you would know how hard it is to find people, especially him. I will leave it at that.

If he is so great then why has he not fixed or at least improved on this, "high pile of stinking economy"? He has worked on it, he has made it worse....

Bottom line, I dont agree with any policies he has tried to bring, he has no clue, and is NOT a leader in my eyes...If you disagree with me, thats your right, your welcome.

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John-

Thanks for your service, Vietnam was a bad war and you all were treated like crap when you came back....BOTTOM LINE

I talk to Vets all the time, we support and remember the Golden Rakkasans from the great 101st Airborne Division every year for the Hamburger Hill fight. I get to talk to those great Americans every year, so I know about that war as well.

I dont want to compare the 2 wars or this or that but...

I enlisted as well in 1990, my family has served as far back as i know as well. I have served multiple tours and have seen my fare share of IDF, IED, Direct Fire Attacks as well...

I dont think he is a stand up guy at all, and i have not fouond one person in my line of work that disagrees with me

Never said your less of an American or Patriot and if it seemed like that I'm sorry, did not mean it that way

I dont hate you either, i dont hate anyone...

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I guess I can agree he was in the right place. But you'd have to agree he approved of the action taken. That is not a weak thing to do.

I don't think Obama is a "great" president. He's just not as weak or impotent as you'd have him be. And I guess he was just in the right place at the right time to get us the hell out of Iraq. Again not a great president just one in the right place at the right time.

I would advise you to check your facts on the economy. Sounds like you're just passing along what you hear from the opposition party cronies and the blocking tactics in congress. It is in fact recovering. He has in my opinion done an outstanding job there. But then again he's just in the right place at the right time. Bush handed this opportunity to him. To do your research study what Hover did to cause the world (that's right the whole world) to go into a depression. His trickle down economy set out to make money more scarce (spend less) and this caught on as a message to the rest of the world as well as the people of the US. This caused an avalanche of like type thinking wish made a bad situation even worse.
(Discovery Channel special on Hover)

Will i vote for Obama again? Not really sure. Depends on what the other side has to offer and says, and if I can believe them. I am keeping an open mind. But I will tell you that I will not hold ANY one's religion a deciding factor even if they are accused of being a certain religion or of having multiple wives. Or if ones father was Muslim.

I congratulate you on having opinions and expressing them. I challenge you to look at opinions of others from both sides with an open mind. Then if you believe such things as not having a US flag lapel pin is a deal breaker for you, go for it.
:handshak:

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Now we are on the same page. We could even have a beer together!!:handshak:

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"A" Beer? Maybe more then 1..... :cheers:

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I'll buy the first!:cheers:

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John and Eric, WELCOME HOME! We need to have a PTSD chat room, but I tell the wife that is what I bought the ZR-1 for. I'll buy the next round.:handshak:

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Each one buy's a round......then the next 20 are on me :cheers:

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I am ready to talk ZR-1'S!! Nothing like a few beers to bring guys together!!:cheers:

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I'm not highly political. Didn't even vote until 8 yrs ago. I did so because I didn't like what I saw from our leadership. I still see no leadership from either side. I was in the leadership field for 30yrs and I long for a President to actually lead.

Even though I dis-like Obama, he's my President for now. I have to support him. I rarely agree with him though. He'll be voted into office again because there's no one running against him that can beat him. He's a money machine as well.

We're in trouble, big trouble, and the deadlock is sickening.
:flag2:

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That's for sure. The party line rhetoric from both sides is so
very depressing. :(

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I agree with you guys. In addition I cannot remember when the hatred for each other was so pronounced. In my opinion it all started with Palin and the Tea Party types. And Mitch McConnel didn't help matters any when he stated that his "main goal was to get rid of Obama". I hate to say it, but in my mind the only explanation is that Obama is a person of color.

Basically, I was a Hillary fan. I could have voted for McCain if it wasn't for Palin.

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Personally, I don't see it as a race issue. I see a man with charisma that got into office when change was the battle cry. There were great expectations and the man lacks leadership capabilities. I would feel the sme if he was a republican or a caucasion.

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I supported Herman Cain. I liked his tax plan.

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Glad you made it home ok. It was nice to meet you.

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I always liked Pat Paulsen. He seemed to balance things about right :)

-----http://www.paulsen.com/pat/

As long as the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer
we are all at risk. At some point greed has to give way. One way or the other. :(

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Now Eric, you haven't been around here for as many years as the great ScotFab. Didn't you know he has single handedly re-invented virtually everything he has ever come upon? He's a legend 'round these parts. Sheesh.

And why would you think the Commander in Chief should support the military? Shoot, dude (no wait-bad choice of words) hold on dude, this president can't confirm his school grades, lived in much of his life in foreign non-Christian countries, was abandoned by both of his parents until they needed to get into the US, and finally, never got a private paycheck in his life!

Now he's in the highest office in charge, got a $30,000 and HOUR plane to jet around in, and a billion dollar staff to keep his 'ol lady busy so he can play. YOu gotta love this guy!

And what the heck do you know anyway! All you've done is serve your country for 20+ years, lived in real combat and experienced real death on both sides, gone weeks without hot food or a shower. Watched the REAL war and corruption that doesn't get acknowledged by most media attention back home?

For those who aren't familiar with the oath taken by a US Servicemen AND the POTUS (Pres of the US), here it is.

“I, (your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Today there are many who would strike the words "swear" and "God". I didn't.

YOu might notice there is the word AND between "foreign AND domestic."

Man.....I remember somebody named Jimmie Carter once when I was active duty.

It really makes me wonder. WHat would a DOMESTIC ENEMY look like anyway? I mean for reals. We took that oath of service for life. There is no termination date. So the big questions is really, what makes a domestic enemy in the first place?

Maybe it's as simple as a habitual offender in violating our own US Constitution? In reality, there is no actual written definition I can find. So I guess that leaves it up to us.

I don't have much respect for ANY career politican. I don't care if they are of one color or another, man or woman. I just want someone smart, loyal and experienced enough to rescue this nation and return it to what our Constitution prescribes, defines, and protects.

And FSC (E8) SGT Eric, (Army Ranger-Airborn Combat Division) those 'ol boys did a pretty d@mn good job when they wrote that Constitution back in 1787. How could they possibly have predicted back then and wrote a document that would be so important today? They just left one thing out I can see....

"A candidate for the Office of Present of the United States of America shall have served in it's armed forces and be so honorably discharged."
:Eagle:

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Hey Jim, you forgot the birth certificate issue!

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John,

I don't think Jim has a bumper big enough for all of his bumper sticker politics.

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I was just being a Wise A..! Ha Ha!

I don't want to get on the wrong side of Jim. I might need him some day!!

Thanks Jim, for your support of out little corner of the world!!:cheers:

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He was always a favorite of mine too! Said everything with a straight face. =D>

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He was funny! That deadpan face, Ha Ha.

I remember him on the Jackie Gleason show. One of the "Man in the Street" charactors.

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Listen carefully Eric. JVD has got all the facts that really matter. It's the definition of the American dream. You don't have to be rich, or of any certain religion or even have perfect parents to become President of the most powerful nation in the world. All you need is the majority of the votes and an idea for changing the SOP of a failed set of policies. Heck you don't even have to have clean underwear or know the difference between a oil field and a WMD. Ask JVD.

And everyone know you can't be a good American citizen if you don't waive the flag and have served in the military.