05-15-2012 | #1 |
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Fuel Pumps
Hey guys I am having an issue with a 91 Z. It will turn over just fine but not fire. The fuel pumps are not priming and the owner told me that the Z had a stumble to it the last time he drove it. However I do not have a fuel pressure gauge to check. I have checked the fuses but could not locate the relays. I looked in the passenger side dash under the carpeted area and removed the glove box and didn’t see the relays. I have 2 new fuel pumps should I just change or try tracing the relay first? I am trying to have the car ready to leave for BG at 3AM tomorrow.
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05-15-2012 | #2 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
Daniel, I wish I could help but I don't know the answer and was hoping someone here would chime in. Did you call Marc or Pete?
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05-15-2012 | #3 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
Brett,
No I sure didn't (don't have there contact info). I am just going to change the pumps and see how it goes. This was going to be the owners first trip to the NCM (new Corvette owner) and it would be nice if he could bring his Z! I am hoping this is the issue the pumps are not priming and the owner said the Z had a stumble under load when he was driving it the last time. Daniel |
05-15-2012 | #4 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
pumps go bad way more often than relays. Given the lack of a FP gauge, If you have the pumps, and a 10mm socket wrench, I say swap the pumps.
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05-15-2012 | #5 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
BTW: the relays are mounted horizontally, attached to the plastic carrier, so you may not immediately recognize them as relays with a quick glance.
You cannot access much of anything via the glovebox removal. Removal of the passenger hush panel should be all you need to access the components in that area.
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05-17-2012 | #6 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
the secondary fuel pump fuse is under the hush panel . you can buy a fuel pressure gauge at the parts store for about 40 .
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05-17-2012 | #7 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
I'd do a little measuring before swapping pumps.
You can easily add a new problem to the original without knowing what is going on. A fuel pressure gauge is relatively cheap. Get one. ($20 for a whole kit at Harbor Freight) You should see 50-55lb. The attachment is a schrader valve at the front of the fuel rail on the passenger side. As a quick test you could listen to the car as you turn the key on (but not start the car). You should hear the two pumps kick on for 2seconds. (the noise will come from the tank) If you heard the noise (and have not bought the pressure gauge yet) then you can see if there is pressure by momentarily pushing in the schrader valve with a small screw driver. Be careful and use a rag to capture any fuel that squirts out. If you don't hear the pumps kick in for 2sec and/or you get no fuel to come out the shrader valve (or preferably use a pressure gauge) then it's time to measure the voltage back at the wire harness going into the top of the tank. If you get 12v for the first 2sec after key-on then it's time to pull the pumps. Here is one link for a how to do this. There are others too. http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Old_Proj/old_proj11.htm PS NEVER test the new pumps with 12v before installing in the tank with gas in it!! this destroys them or greatly reduces their life time.
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05-17-2012 | #8 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
Anyone ever try the Bosch rotary pumps?
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Re: Fuel Pumps
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05-30-2012 | #10 |
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Re: Fuel Pumps
QUESTION???
Is it ok for the green replacement strainers to just "hang there" instead of being tucked up against the fuel pump "holder", like the original sock strainer was originally? Are original LONG and SHORT strainers still available vs the replacement semi-long green strainers?
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