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Old 07-22-2014   #11
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Default Re: Fluidyne radiator question

My purpose is just to report my observations since I just did an install of the Fluidyne. Not here advocating that people should install one. As I continue to drive in varying conditions, I will be checking performance in a number of conditions and make my results public here. Today's ambient temps will be low
90's so I'll be checking performance out in those temps. I don't like being surprised, but rather want to know what the limits are.
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Old 07-22-2014   #12
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I am running a Dewitts with dual spal fans. so far in Arizona I am happy with it.

My toughts on the project.

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread....hlight=dewitts
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91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat

90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 07-22-2014   #13
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OK......what does that mean exactly?

Tell us what your Coolant Temperatures are on a 100 deg F day while stop and go driving for 30 minutes.....Say traffic between stop lights and no speeds over say 25 mph and lets say AC On.....with AC Fan on #10.
About 130. On the freeway with ac on doing 70 Miles per hr about half band whatever temp that is.

keep in mind I drive in AZ Stop and go temps outside radiating from the roads and freeway are easliy 115 and up last summer in this conditions outside temp was 122.
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91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat

90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 07-22-2014   #14
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Say......... Dual Spal Fans I am assuming those Dual Spal fans are pulling a lot more air through the radiator and even at stop light your radiator thinks you are moving at 50 mph.

You just introduced another variable of pavement temperature. Which most experience the pavement just like you

None of us experience Spal Fans like you

Yes about 130 more FPM per fan than stock. The car hums like the newer car fans.

Just like the lady says at time mark .11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIF6JF1O5U
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91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat

90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

11 RED/GREY CTS-V

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Old 07-22-2014   #15
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Here's latest observations driving with A/C ON, ambient temps are 90-94F.
Driving in Stop and Go for about 15 min. CTS got up to 108C/227F sitting at a light. Intake Air Temp got up to 36C/96F. Once I got rolling temps began dropping and at a steady 60-65mph cruise temps stabilized at about 87C or 188F.
Driving around in our suburban town, CTS ranged between 88-94C.
With a modded motor, you are putting in a lot more heat to get more power out. We know the A/C comp on these cars was already marginal from the factory.
Perhaps as Darryl has pointed out, more powerful fans may be the answer. Not sure the Fluidyne by itself is enough for Stop and Go, idling with loads of other traffic all around you. Without A/C, I think the Fluidyne does a good job at keeping temps reasonable. My $.02.
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Old 07-22-2014   #16
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Default Re: Fluidyne radiator question

Great discussion guys. Even with OEM radiator and 180 stat w/1/8" hole drilled on the flange, I have no issue at 55 mph plus speed. As is car maintains 192 - 200 degrees F. It's stop and go traffic in 90 plus days, w/ AC on, the coolant temp climbs to 230+.
Based on discussion above high efficiency radiator removes heat from the motor but the radiator needs good air flow (good fans) to shed heat. Makes perfect sense.
Since going to 380, I can tell the cooling system is not up to par. So, I think, a good radiator (I'm thinking Dewitt since I know they are two row and I can't confirm the same for the Fluidyne) topped off with a pair of Spal fans are in order.

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Old 07-22-2014   #17
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My only concern regarding AC load is when Mrs. Xfire is in the car. She won't ride around in it unless there's air. For me, I use the windows and listen to the exhaust note.
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Old 07-23-2014   #18
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That's why I am looking at either Fluidyne or Dewitt. Both will fit under the stock shroud w/o modification.
SC, you just built a 380 and don't want to trim a little plastic?
I placed a Ron Davis 3 row. I can look it up, but I think I had
to trim 3/4" here, 1/2" there. No big deal. Runs MUCH cooler.
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Old 07-23-2014   #19
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I do not think fluidyne makes these anymore, so maybe not a option, unless used
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I do not think fluidyne makes these anymore, so maybe not a option, unless used
I see Fluidyne FHP11-96cor for sale when googled. Also, on Ebay.
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