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Old 06-23-2017   #1
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You have a choice of 2 suppliers that I know of, one mentioned in another TB thread and the other by another member....here they are....

http://www.laddresearch.com/catalogs.../?q=dag%20213q

http://www.pontiactripower.com/shop/...ade-sealer-dag

or there are other alternatives such as the CRC Brand Dry Moly Lube, also made by other companies as well.....
or...another member has used....

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Blaster-5...8-GS/202597501
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For those who have an interest to apply dag to your TB, here is the video I watched earlier. I was applying it correctly on the edge of the blades, but applied too much in the bore area and on the blade itself.
I will said this, that it does seal extremely well and you will have a hard time opening the blades after it dries. Just follow the instructions either on the video or whatever instructions you received from whatever vendor. I can see where it will keep the blades closed, but the trick is to apply the correct amount so that no light comes through on the secondary blades. You will need to build those areas up during the process.
The dag part of the video comes in around the 4:00 minute mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrb6HJRi5iQ
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Old 06-23-2017   #3
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Just to give you an idea of what the gap is on my TB with it totally cleaned, here a some pics. Now I know the general rule is to not touch the existing dag on the TB. Well with my cleaning I went over and beyond that rule.....
I reapplied the dag and after very many coatings, I finally sealed one blade inside the bore completely. Again, not the most professional application, but no light is coming through.
Since some other members have used the Dry Moly Lube which I also have, I decided to do the other blade with that....two quick coats is not enough, hardly did anything as far as the buildup needed to seal the blade inside the bore to keep the light from shinning through. That being said, I need to spray more coats on the rim of the blade and inside the bore as well to try and get a good buildup of the lube. Problem is it sprays all over, I may try using a tube and just do light easy sprays to see if I can get the coverage I am looking for.
Also need to buy some more Brakleen for you know what......lol

before next round of dag, notice the light shinning through...

the beginning of dag....again...

looks messy and it is...but it is sealed...I may clean up the blade some...
there were a lot of coats needed eliminate the light...

the dry lube on the RS, a much cleaner look, but may take multiple buildups to achieve the same results. if it works just as good, the Brakleen comes out again and will use the dry lube. Anyway I am almost out of dag....
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Old 06-25-2017   #4
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Today is mostly a continuation of trial & error. Seems like more of my trails are turning into errors......lol It goes that way sometimes.....

Right now my TB secondary blades are "cemented" in the closed position. Part of the instructions for the dag was to leave them in the closed position after application for 24 hours, and then tap on the blades to help get them open and leave them in that position for another 24 hours. What I should have done after applying the dag was to leave them open first and then in the closed position after. I can tell you this, that if you master the technique of applying the dag the correct way, it really seal any leaks. The trick is figuring out the best way to accomplish that task.
Back to the Brakleen and removal process....lol and start over, this time trying out the dry moly lube and figuring out the correct process of applying it.

Since I already replaced #8 spark plug wire, I am determined to see if I can get an actual ohm reading, despite the testing already performed, which resulted in no reading. I have some thoughts and am in the process of doing them now. I tried one procedure and it did allow me to get a reading which was much higher than the other wires. Still within range, but erratic. So we shall see if this idea works.

Painted and cleared the air horn to match the plenum and coolant pipes. So far, so good. Back to the garage to continue on....

inside #8 on the plug side...

some of the crud coming out of #8...

the air horn which was painted in the last few months....

now repainted again...

and cleared...

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Great work. I buy brake clean by the cast when ever there is a sale.That dag sure is a trouble maker. Keep up the good work

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Great work. I buy brake clean by the cast when ever there is a sale.That dag sure is a trouble maker. Keep up the good work

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Thanks Dave.....
Picking up more Brake Clean in the AM....lol

Was trying to think of a way to apply the dry molly lube in an even pattern without getting it all over the TB as I did earlier. I decided that using the tube would be asking for more trouble. So, blue painter's tape to the rescue. With the TB now taped, I can spray normally multiple coats if needed (and they will be needed) lol.... and not have any go onto areas I don't want. I may even tape up part of the bores and see what happens....

Also removed the PCV tubing to give me better access to the IH's. As I intend to mask and just paint them the best that I can. This way they will match the plenum and the coolant outlets. The only main items left to paint would be the cam covers. But I am not ready to take that on at this time, so they will have to wait.....

TB taped and read for the dry molly lube...and PCV valves and tubing now removed for paint...

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Tom,
Curious to know how many times have you said "dag nabbit" during this project? Lol.....


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Craig,
Too funny....lol I could have said alot more....
The only time I said, "oh sh**" is when the blades were "cemented" closed...lol
I will keep them open today when applying the lube.....lol


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Craig,
Too funny....lol I could have said alot more....
The only time I said, "oh sh**" is when the blades were "cemented" closed...lol
I will keep them open today when applying the lube.....lol


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You're doing an awesome job with it and documenting. I have cursed more with the ZR-1 than any other car owned, but still love it. Thanks again for sharing and best wishes.


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You're doing an awesome job with it and documenting. I have cursed more with the ZR-1 than any other car owned, but still love it. Thanks again for sharing and best wishes.


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Thanks Craig, appreciated and best wishes to you also....
How is the house hunt going? You were thinking about that one house, but no garage...IIRC???

Stayed tuned for later today when the fun begins....running errands now, and waiting for more shade in the front to continue....
Hopefully get the IH's sprayed with the PCV tubes and the TB coated. Might cover up some of the blades itself to prevent an excessive coating on them.
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