Magnussen unhurt

[lbszr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BwXugrQXaM

1/2 speed
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1253740212

[1990 415]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BwXugrQXaM

1/2 speed
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1253740212

I was at the race on saturday and saw the crash live. I was standing right behind the C6R pit crew for the last 20 laps. They were furious with Burgmeister for causing Jan to crash like that and destroy the #3 car. I got pictures of the carnage right after it came off the track on the tow truck. Expect some serious payback at Sebring next March.

[tomtom72]

I know I don't know the rules. To me on the second pass attempt it sure looked like the 45 car didn't have to pinch the 3 into the wall? I think that if the 45 wanted to block the 3, he should have started sooner? I guess I would have been fired if I was driving the 45. I obviously don't understand the meaning of "just a close racing incident"?

The way I see it, the 45 pinched the 3 and the 3 was able to get by. The 45 pinched the 3 into the wall even after the 3 had at least his front fender past the front fender of the 45. That last pinch is what turned the 3 because the 45 "released" the 3, and that is what spun the 3 across the track?

[RICHARD TILL]

I don`t know the rules of this type racing either but it looks like the #3 car got what he deserved. Did he not try to pull a dirty Earnhardt tatic and bump the #45 in the curve on the last lap?

[tomtom72]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeyvQcciTQ&feature=related

check this one out. It is a normal speed vid and then a slow motion vid of the same showing....well you look Rich and decide.

I kind of thought that the color guys jumped the gun about the bump in the corner before the pit straight when I was watching on TV. To me it looked like if the 3 was going to do what Dale used to do, the 3 would have not checked up as hard? And I thought that the 45 checked up at the exit to foil the 3's designs? JMHO

:cheers:
Tom

[RICHARD TILL]

You`re right Tom. I missed the #3 car checking up so hard on my first view. Earnhardt would have done it a bit differently. The other car would`nt have had a chance to pin him against the wall like that either.

[LGAFF]

I am thinking next year will be very interesting!

[tomtom72]

You`re right Tom. I missed the #3 car checking up so hard on my first view. Earnhardt would have done it a bit differently. The other car would`nt have had a chance to pin him against the wall like that either.

:mrgreen: Hey Rich, remember the night race at Bristol when Dale pushed Terry across the stripe? Man, that is how you would get "bumped" by Dale if he wanted to move you.

To me the 45 knew that the 3 had more low end off of the last turn. I think the 45 did a little trail braking just to force the 3 to hit the brakes just as he was going to gas it at the exit. It was hard to catch in normal speed on TV. I thought the color guys were too quick in saying that the 3 put the bumper to the 45. I was thinking why is the 3 on the brakes, he should be gassing it to the outside? I know I saw the 3's front dip under braking in real time. I know I noticed the 45's rear get high(er) on weight transfer and was thinking wtf is he doing. But the color guys were yelling about the 3 hitting the 45 at the exit.....they distracted me thinking about what I thought I saw!:sign10:

I also thought that the 45 ran the 3 wide in a previous overtaking try back a few turns. The 3 tried to take an outside move and the 45 "drifted" his rear wide....I say that's fair as (JMHO) the 3 is responsible for "giving room" if taking the outside route in that situation. I'm proly wrong on that, but if I'm going around the outside I don't want to take the chance of getting pushed off the track.:dontknow:

JMHO, I don't think there will be any "rubbing" next year. I believe if the vette team gets the chassis sorted out properly....and don't get too many "competetion adjsutments in the interest of fair play":neutral:....the vettes will have a distinct advantage in grunt off of the low speed corners. I still think that Jan would have driven past off of the last corner on the outside if 45 hadn't done that trail braking....it was a smart move on his part though because he suspected the vette had more low end and might have gotten by on that corner's exit...maybe?

:cheers:

[RICHARD TILL]

Tom, I don`t remember that particular incident but i can sure recall plenty other times. I was`nt an Earnhardt fan at all. For the last 20 years or so myself and about 15 friends get a nascar board going for nearly every race. The car that i had drawn might be in the lead on the last lap and i`d be counting my winnings. Here would come #3 and you know what happened next? I`d get bumped in a turn and one of my buddies would get the money. It would be nice to bring him back and see how he could run with today`s drivers. By the way, in two weeks i`ll be sitting right out of turn 4 on the top row at Talladega. Sure hope the weather is nice. We`ll be lucky if its not cold.

[gbrtng]

I was at the race on saturday and saw the crash live. I was standing right behind the C6R pit crew for the last 20 laps. They were furious with Burgmeister for causing Jan to crash like that and destroy the #3 car. I got pictures of the carnage right after it came off the track on the tow truck. Expect some serious payback at Sebring next March.

Magnussen is a clean driver - he just dove into the last turn too hard and nudged Burgmeister, probably not on purpose. Burgmeister running the Corvette into the fence was payback but totally uncalled for.

[tomtom72]

Hey Rich, I envy your trip to 'dega! I've never been to a plate race. I've been to Pocono and Dover. I've been told that until you've been to a super speedway you haven't seen a cup race. I hope you and your friends have a great time!:thumbsup:

:o I'm a Dale fan.....I didn't like some of the "liberties" that NASCAR used to let him get away with though. He could drive and a same aged Dale I think could keep up with the new stars. Heck, all of those guys can drive. It just seems that the sweet spot on these new cars is so small, if you miss it by a little, you are running 40th! :dontknow:

:cheers:
Tom

[Jeffvette]

Magnussen is a clean driver - he just dove into the last turn too hard and nudged Burgmeister, probably not on purpose. Burgmeister running the Corvette into the fence was payback but totally uncalled for.


Bergmeister chucked up more than he did for the final corner any time during the race. The front end of the Porsche is squatting hard.

Granted, there are a lot of things that should have been done differently, but I believe if you ran that race ten times over, they would both finish the race the same way. They are both fierce competitors and race for the win. Bergmeister was remembering back to Sebring 2007 when he lost to the Porsche because he was not as agressive as Melo was.

[LGAFF]

Porsche NA version of the race......

Bergmeister, who took over the driving chores from Long for the final stint in his #45 Flying Lizard Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, ran nose-to-tail with the #3 Corvette’s Jan Magnussen for the lead during the last 20 minutes of the race, holding off the more powerful Corvette despite a vibration from a flat-spotted tire. Then, with three laps to go, the Corvette passed the Porsche, but used the pit lane entrance to do it, and the IMSA officials made him tuck back in behind Bergmeister. Then, with two laps to go, Magnussen got by Joerg again, and Bergmeister picks up the story.

“He got by me, but he went too far into the corner and put himself out of position, and I was able to retake the lead. This happened one more time during the lap, and I was in front going into the last turn, when he pushed me twice. We bumped a third time coming out of the corner, and he went into the wall and crashed. While I feel badly that Jan crashed, and I was glad to hear that he was okay, I felt we raced hard and fair, and that the entire Flying Lizard team and my co-driver Patrick earned this win,” said Bergmeister after the race.

[gbrtng]

What a steaming crock of sh*t - Bergmeister intentionally ran Jan into the wall on the left. A clever job of wordsmithing on Porsche's part:

"We bumped a third time coming out of the corner, and he went into the wall and crashed."

[1990 415]

The saga will continue at Sebring in March. Corvette will get some payback there.