Rear Bumper Molding Question

[rebelz]

Is the rear bumper molding, the piece that goes from the license plate to the back of the rear quarter panel ZR-1 specific? It seems that if the extra one and a half inches of rear fascia width is in the license plate area it wouldn't be. My right hand side piece was damaged in a very minor bumper thumper. I found one at a not to be named website for $689.71. He can keep it. Mine can probably be repaired, but would rather replace it.

[GOLDCYLON]

Is the rear bumper molding, the piece that goes from the license plate to the back of the rear quarter panel ZR-1 specific? It seems that if the extra one and a half inches of rear fascia width is in the license plate area it wouldn't be. My right hand side piece was damaged in a very minor bumper thumper. I found one at a not to be named website for $689.71. He can keep it. Mine can probably be repaired, but would rather replace it.

Yes it is ZR-1 Specific. Post up what you are looking for in the WTB section. Maybe a member can hook you up.

[Pete]

Is the rear bumper molding, the piece that goes from the license plate to the back of the rear quarter panel ZR-1 specific? It seems that if the extra one and a half inches of rear fascia width is in the license plate area it wouldn't be. My right hand side piece was damaged in a very minor bumper thumper. I found one at a not to be named website for $689.71. He can keep it. Mine can probably be repaired, but would rather replace it.



For that price it can be reproduced,and that my friends is how you overprice yourself out of business.

Don't worry we will put Lee on it with his connections he will probably have them made for like .50 cents :)

Lee is the man on this stuff.

Offer them $200 otherwise tell them you'll wait for the repops

Pete

[902066]

Is the rear bumper molding, the piece that goes from the license plate to the back of the rear quarter panel ZR-1 specific? It seems that if the extra one and a half inches of rear fascia width is in the license plate area it wouldn't be. My right hand side piece was damaged in a very minor bumper thumper. I found one at a not to be named website for $689.71. He can keep it. Mine can probably be repaired, but would rather replace it.
Why is it when this comes up it is usually "a not to be named web site"? Go ahead, spill the name, I bet I already know who it is.

[-=Jeff=-]

the 91-96 narrow bumper cars had the rub strip molded in the bumper as far as I know

[bdw18_123]

Why is it when this comes up it is usually "a not to be named web site"? Go ahead, spill the name, I bet I already know who it is.

Everyone knows who it is. That's why no mention of names is needed. Plus, bad-mouthing people/businesses never ends up good (even if it is true :rolleyes:).

[rebelz]

Yes it is ZR-1 Specific. Post up what you are looking for in the WTB section. Maybe a member can hook you up.

Done deal, It's been posted. Thanks for the sugestion.

Rich Ballou

[rebelz]

Why is it when this comes up it is usually "a not to be named web site"? Go ahead, spill the name, I bet I already know who it is.

I don't think posting a name or site name serves any porpose, so I didn't, but the price of that part when I went looking just floored me.

Rich

[4DSZR1]

Is the rear bumper molding, the piece that goes from the license plate to the back of the rear quarter panel ZR-1 specific? It seems that if the extra one and a half inches of rear fascia width is in the license plate area it wouldn't be. My right hand side piece was damaged in a very minor bumper thumper. I found one at a not to be named website for $689.71. He can keep it. Mine can probably be repaired, but would rather replace it.


And some people wonder why sellers are giving away their ZR-1s??????? $670 for a plastic piece, my gawd, nothing like being raped. I firmly belelieve this is a big reason the price of our beloved ZR-1 is in the give away category, and Gran Sports remain comparatively higher. tisk tisk :( raped by one of our own :( For as long as I live, I'll use this as an example of greed in a hobby. I know, I can hear the arguments already...fair to get what the market will bear..yeah I understand free market economics..... but we all know he has us by the balls and doesnt care if hurts us (the hobby) when he squeezes.

Rant over, sorry to the OP for the de-railing

[xlr8nflorida]

And some people wonder why sellers are giving away their ZR-1s??????? $670 for a plastic piece, my gawd, nothing like being raped. I firmly belelieve this is a big reason the price of our beloved ZR-1 is in the give away category, and Gran Sports remain comparatively higher. tisk tisk :( raped by one of our own :( For as long as I live, I'll use this as an example of greed in a hobby. I know, I can hear the arguments already...fair to get what the market will bear..yeah I understand free market economics..... but we all know he has us by the balls and doesnt care if hurts us (the hobby) when he squeezes.

Rant over, sorry to the OP for the de-railing

Basically there are a few prices: Good, Fair, Avg, High, Rip Off

If someone has something I need I'll pay a high or premium price. Afterall they laid out cash to have an inventory of parts that probably don't move off the shelf quickly. However, that being said I've gotten parts from other sources for 1/4 or 1/5th the price and almost always 1/2 the price - it makes you find alternative sources for parts.

Honestly, Time Value of $, I would think it would be better for business to sell higher volume at a more competitive price.:dontknow: but its a business and can be run anyway deemed fit by the owner.

We all stockpile parts as a result which is not the best for the hobby. Often times, an owner needs a tough to find part but I don't want to give my spare up as I'm afraid I won't be able to get one. Sometimes I do help out if I can and hope it will be reciprocated one day. I bet I have $5,000 of parts tied up just so I won't get gouged. It's already happening, I bought a tirebag years ago for $20 and now they regularly go for $100. Heck one guy was asking $400 on ebay.......... Spark plug wires I paid $275 are easily going over $400 with some approaching $500.

[4DSZR1]

I've been thinking about this and as having a little experience in plastics. If the main varianble in the part is in width (distance from the license plate opening to the corner) could'ne one use a donor piece and add length? It would be easy to add a section using quaility glues, scab a piece on the back, and then fill any inperfections with good plastic putty and paint. No one would ever know....

I'm going to try and find some cheap pieces from junkyard and experiment a little.

[-=Jeff=-]

I've been thinking about this and as having a little experience in plastics. If the main varianble in the part is in width (distance from the license plate opening to the corner) could'ne one use a donor piece and add length? It would be easy to add a section using quaility glues, scab a piece on the back, and then fill any inperfections with good plastic putty and paint. No one would ever know....

I'm going to try and find some cheap pieces from junkyard and experiment a little.


That might work, but like I said, I am pretty sure the Narrow body cars had the Rub strip molded into the bumper.

does anyone have a good picture of the trim itself? I wonder what it would take to make them.

[Z51JEFF]

That might work, but like I said, I am pretty sure the Narrow body cars had the Rub strip molded into the bumper.

does anyone have a good picture of the trim itself? I wonder what it would take to make them.

The trim from the doors back are separate pieces.One positive here is the door trim are not ZR-1 specific.I know this,I used one from a base car.

[Pete]

I have also mentioned making it from aluminum on a CnC.
Make it solid on the back side and drill/tap holes for the hold down screws.

Same for plastic make it solid plastic and use lag screws like our tail lights from the back side.

Rhipsher don't you have access to a CnC?

Pete

[-=Jeff=-]

The trim from the doors back are separate pieces.One positive here is the doors are not ZR-1 specific.

I know all the pieces on a ZR-1 are separate.. is that true for 91-later narrow body cars?

[4DSZR1]

The trim from the doors back are separate pieces.One positive here is the doors are not ZR-1 specific.

You're incorrect, the doors on all ZR-1's are unique so we cant use any old C4 door...

[bdw18_123]

You're incorrect, the doors on all ZR-1's are unique so we cant use any old C4 door...

He doesn't mean the door itself. I think he means you can use a door trim piece from a standard C4 and it will fit. ZR-1 door is wider, but is same length as a standard C4 door.

I know all the pieces on a ZR-1 are separate.. is that true for 91-later narrow body cars?

So the 91-95 ZR-1's have separate, removable trim pieces for the front, rear and side gills? On the '91-96 standard C4's, the trim on the front bumper, rear bumper & side gills is molded in and not removable separately from the main piece. Only the door trim piece and the small section in front of the rear wheel is removable.

[Z51JEFF]

He doesn't mean the door itself. I think he means you can use a door trim piece from a standard C4 and it will fit. ZR-1 door is wider, but is same length as a standard C4 door.


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On 91-95 the trim is molded in the front bumper and the fender panels.Doors,short QP piece and all rear bumper trim is separate from the bumper.If somebody has a piece of bumper trim from a base car I can take a look at it see what it would take to modify it for a ZR-1.I would never pay $700 for this part,I would make it out of WOOD before I would let somebody gouge the piss out of me for something that might have cost $100,tops.

[phrogs]

Its plastic It can be repaired, the damn thing only needs to be repainted after the repair and you would never know.

I mean its ok to repair parts, cars ger hit once in a while it happens and with the limited parts available it might be a good idea to repair what you can when you can.

[secondchance]

I would never pay $700 for this part,I would make it out of WOOD before I would let somebody gouge the piss out of me for something that might have cost $100,tops.

Yes. I agree!:cheers:
I agree a lot can be done with damaged part, epoxy and sand paper.
Of course, if all fails, balsa wood...

[rebelz]

I agree on principal with those who say it can be repaired, but this guy hit me in a construction zone, with the State Troopers directing traffic. He wasn't paying attention, and hit me at maybe 5 MPH. I was on my horn to get him to stop. I couldn't move forward because of the guy stopped ahead of me!!! I want his insurance company to pay to correct the damage caused, not "fix" a broken part. I do not want them to be raped in the process as would be the case in the original post. In the past this has been the trend and the reason we pay so damn much for our insurance now.

Rich

[Z51JEFF]

I do not want them to be raped in the process as would be the case in the original post. In the past this has been the trend and the reason we pay so damn much for our insurance now.

Rich
If thats the case what are you going to do,put a used part on your car?I didnt know the specifics of the damage,now I do.I can guarantee you this right now,If some moron runs into my car I DONT CARE WHERE THE PART COMES FROM OR WHAT IT COSTS.If its out there and its new its going on the car.Im not paying the bill.If this is the ONLY place that has the part,so be it.In this situation you have no choice but to get the part at an outrageous price and be done with it.You might want to take a good look at that bumper,it might be damaged as well.When these bumpers all involved in a rear end collision,the impact generates heat and this with the pressure of the impact can damage the urethane.Post up a picture of the damage.

[Z51JEFF]

If I had the 2 pieces I could take a look and see what it would take to rework a non Z piece.The only thing that will blow it out of the water is the mounting studs,if these interfere with the ZR-1 bumper.Im not working right now so money is tight to say the least but I love a challenge so I just might go out and find a piece of bumper trim from a base car and see what I can do with it.Next challenge,I will need a ZR-1 piece,not taking it off my car.Maybe borrow the damaged piece from the OP?

[gbrtng]

There's nothing on the standard 91-96 car that can be adapted. The entire rear fascia which includes the "trim molding" from wheel well to wheel well and the rear lower fenders is one piece.

[Pete]

How about reproducing them

I saw Jay Leno had a small CnC machine to reproduce parts for his old cars cost $3000.

Here is the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvzcGdZsTc

Somebody look into this.

I'll pitch in on this deal.

Pete

[rebelz]

You might want to take a good look at that bumper,it might be damaged as well.When these bumpers all involved in a rear end collision,the impact generates heat and this with the pressure of the impact can damage the urethane.Post up a picture of the damage.

The other drivers insurance guy, that did the estimate was a car guy, knew the history of the ZR-1 and it's uniqueness. He has put in the paperwork the possibility of hidden damage, difficult parts procurement etc. The work required and monetary portion is open to cover such an instance. The body shop I chose specializes in classic cars and has restored a number of older Corvettes. They are currently restoring a '63 coupe. I think this will get done right, and I will have them buy the Golden part if I have to. I would rather have a more reasonable alternative.

Rich

[GOLDCYLON]

On 91-95 the trim is molded in the front bumper and the fender panels.Doors,short QP piece and all rear bumper trim is separate from the bumper.

This is correct. The plain C4 has the rub strip (molding) that is molded to the rear body only. Even the 90 ZR-1 was different as the front bumber strip was seperate as was the doors and dog legs back to the rear. Jeff is correct for the 91-95 the front would change to the molded in style however the Doors, doglegs and rear strip would be all seperate the entire ZR-1 model run of 6 years. GC

[GOLDCYLON]

The other drivers insurance guy, that did the estimate was a car guy, knew the history of the ZR-1 and it's uniqueness. He has put in the paperwork the possibility of hidden damage, difficult parts procurement etc. The work required and monetary portion is open to cover such an instance. The body shop I chose specializes in classic cars and has restored a number of older Corvettes. They are currently restoring a '63 coupe. I think this will get done right, and I will have them buy the Golden part if I have to. I would rather have a more reasonable alternative.

Rich


Rich based upon this Let them buy the part. If its not coming out of your end or your accident experience rating. Expensve yes, retain the old piece maybe it can be repaired. GC

[Z51JEFF]

I would rather have a more reasonable alternative.

Rich

Unfortunatly there isnt one,not at the moment anyway.

[xlr8nflorida]

Rich based upon this Let them buy the part. If its not coming out of your end or your accident experience rating. Expensve yes, retain the old piece maybe it can be repaired. GC


:iamwithst No way I would have a repaired molding. It's the insurance companies job to make your car "whole" again. They have adjusters and salvage yards. Trust me, they will find a cheaper source, if they can't then they will just have to pay. It is what it is and I'd be specific in telling them you don't want any repaired parts and that you want to see the rear moldings before they put them on your car.

I would not feel guilty at all in your situation. Either used, in good shape or new. That is what insurance is for, think of all the premiums you have paid over the years.