91' ZR1 BLACK MOTOR CAR FOR SALE VERY RARE

[witdog2020]

This car has it all, full 6 point cage, Black motor, Ap racing calipers, fully adjustable suspension, 2 pc.14"rear dymag wheels, 12" fronts, This car was professionally built, originally thought to be built by Doug Rippie. We now believe the car was built by Kim Baker before Doug Rippies black motors were built. We contacted Doug about the car to try to get more info, he told us this is not his car. We had this car listed on ebay as a Black Widow car. This is not a Black Widow car, it seems it is even rarer than that. This car has foam inside the frame of the car. It has a switch on the console to engage the extra injectors.

We have all the service records on the car, We have an old appraisal saying this is a Kim Baker/ Dieline racing built car. We are still trying to find the original documentation on the car, where exactly it came from and when. We think it is one of the very first Black motor cars ever built if not the first one.

Now what we know:
Engine:
upperand lower intake plenum ported and polished
cylinder heads ported and polished
camshafts degreed
modified induction
DRM-500 PROM CHIP with Red Checkered Flag
Watson Big Tube Headers-3"Exhaust
Fidanza Flywheel and Center Force Clutch
CHASSIS:
6 Point Rollcage
Frame Stiffened
Suspension Lowered and Calibrated
Polyurethane Bushings
Brakes:
A.P. Racing Calipers
A.P. Racing Rotors 2pc 14" Front 12" Rear
Stainless Steel Lines and Braided Hoses
Adjustable brake pressure valve
Wheels and Tires:
DYMAG Magnesium Wheels
Fronts 12" wide
Rears 14" Wide
Tires Michelin Pilot Sports
315/35/17 fronts
335/35/17 rears

There is much more I can't list it all, and obviously don't know it all.
I am not the owner of this car, I will give the owners contact info, he has much more knowledge of ZR1's than I do. The car is number #1639

This car is a steal at $26K

Thanks I will answer as many questions as I can, We are still putting calls into Dieline and trying to find a new number for Kim Baker Racing. I have pictures I will post as soon as I get back on some hispeed.

[GOLDCYLON]

PICS? :hello:

[LGAFF]

Did you say the car was originally black?

Check this out from 2001: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17081

[Eric870]

I know i'm kinda new, but who is Kim Baker and whats his story. This car sounds like it has some very nice upgrades...

[witdog2020]

Hey thanks for the link, that is very interesting. I will pass that on.
Here are some of the pictures.

[witdog2020]

The owner purchased this car around then, If you look at the Kim Baker information it also has a 6500 circled on it? What a coincidence?

[witdog2020]

Did you say the car was originally black?

Check this out from 2001: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17081


I checked what this ad says to what the service records state, The owner of this car after Jay Grundyke ( I have info saying the car was owned by Dieline Racing) Was Bill H***** of MI. The mileage of the car all is in order compared to the service records we have with the car, including the mileage with the previous ad for sale you posted from 2001. The receipts also indicated that the car was painted while Dieline had the car. Most of the cars that Kim baker Raced were white cars. I think this is the car you posted. There are some slight differences, The coil overs were removed, and The mufflers was slightly changed. This car was driven and maintained by the wife of Bill, she had complained that the car was too loud.

This is very interesting chasing the history of this car, Somebody should buy this car, its a steal and very rare. The owner that has the car now has never plated the car. Its been garaged, and only driven on nice summer days.

Thanks

[LGAFF]

I have a possible interested party with this car.....can you PM me a phone number.

[witdog2020]

PM sent

[ZRWON]

I checked what this ad says to what the service records state, The owner of this car after Jay Grundyke ( I have info saying the car was owned by Dieline Racing) Was Bill H***** of MI. The mileage of the car all is in order compared to the service records we have with the car, including the mileage with the previous ad for sale you posted from 2001. The receipts also indicated that the car was painted while Dieline had the car. Most of the cars that Kim baker Raced were white cars. I think this is the car you posted. There are some slight differences, The coil overs were removed, and The mufflers was slightly changed. This car was driven and maintained by the wife of Bill, she had complained that the car was too loud.

This is very interesting chasing the history of this car, Somebody should buy this car, its a steal and very rare. The owner that has the car now has never plated the car. Its been garaged, and only driven on nice summer days.

Thanks

WOW, what a treasure and interesting search you have. Following is my "Black Widow" info, all of this happening in 1993.about the same time frame you are working in. Maybe some of this info and the names will help you. I'd appreciate it if you would send me any info that will update or improve the accuracy of my info...Thanks, Bill

Total quantity was 8:

# 1 1991 White/Steel Blue car #1.David Harrington dotpro@flash.net
was the first Black Widow car stamped #1 1991white/blue. vin 843. Took (NEW)delivery Oct. 31, 1990 Russell Chev. here in N. Little Rock. Doug picked my
car up in Memphis, TN Feb 15th 1993. Doug Rippie was not qualified at the time to
work on the LT5 so they were dismantled and sent to MerCruiser for the head
work etc., painted black and sent back to Doug for reassembly and any other
mods a person wanted i.e. coil over suspension. exhaust, headers, etc.


# 2 1991 Black car #2, VIN #757 is the only 525hp option ZR.
Steve Wait originally had car #2. It was actually delivered before
Dave Harrington’s because Steve had a race to go to. Doug R reworked his several times
after it came back from MerCruiser. Steve worked at Gwatney
Chev. in Jacksonville, AR His car was sold a number of
years ago to a collector in Pittsburgh, PA.
Last known owner was George Crouse

# 4 1993 40th Anniversary, VIN #153, Black Widow Actually car #4, ZR1 #153 the only 40th, was first owned by a gentleman from Florida. According to "Heart of the Beast. pg 174" and "Corvette Milestones". It was owned by Jerry Crew
Last known owner was Frank Kafoure, Indianapolis, IN If my memory serves me correctly Black Widow #4 is #153.

# 8 1991 White, VIN #1119, Black Widow #8 The engines didn't have any markings other than the unique black crinkle paint but Rippie did put everyone's initials on all the parts they took off. I’ve got a green "JVD" on the inner fender, ps pump, ignition module, etc. I left all the stuff on them even when I rebuilt the thing to get it right....about 40 more hp...! Jvd #8 Black Widow (the last one) Jim Van Dorn

1990 Black unknown
1991 Black unknown ********only other '91 Black one*******
1992 Red unknown
1993 Aqua unknown


Names of other Black Widow owners per pg 175, Young’s Heart of the Beast:
Glen Greider
John Whitney
Dr. Michael Jackson
Mark Schultz

[gbrtng]

The black 1990 belongs to Glen Greider - it was the first engine pulled by Rippie and the last one completed.

[ZRWON]

The black 1990 belongs to Glen Greider - it was the first engine pulled by Rippie and the last one completed.
Thanks very much for your post. Does he still own it?
Now their are only 3 on my list that I know norhing about.

[Jeffvette]

Thanks very much for your post. Does he still own it?
Now their are only 3 on my list that I know norhing about.


Bill, here you go.

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/forum/showpost.php?p=69340&postcount=19

[gbrtng]

Thanks very much for your post. Does he still own it?
Now their are only 3 on my list that I know norhing about.
He did two years ago which was the last time I talked with him. I'll send him a note and see.

[-=Jeff=-]

As Far as I know George Crouse still has #2.. or did in June when I saw him

[witdog2020]

I have New info! The car was owned by Jay Grundyke! The owner of Dieline! He had this engine built by Kim Baker Racing with 1600 miles on the car. The car was Black/Black. They had the car painted white to signify Kim Bakers racing accomplishments and to model his race vettes. This car has traveled the country it was used to show what they can do with the Corvette and modifications they are selling. The car was built to all race specifications to model the cars. The car was sold to an associate of Jay, named Bill. Senior citizen discounts on the service records. He and his wife got divorced and she got the car. The car was traded after a few years on a brand new corvette. Thats when the owner that has it now purchased the car, and garaged it, never even plated the car. This car was also featured in a magazine in the early 90's. The previous owner could not remember which magazine or what year. This car probably is built probably better than most of the widow cars, thats not for me to judge. She also stated that they had the coil overs removed. This car may be 1 of 1, I have not seen any info of any more of these cars being built between Kim Baker and Dieline like this.
I have an email sent to Kim Baker and I hope to get a response. I have another email sent to Dymag. The wheels, I am told from a Dymag Rep. that these wheels may have never went into production this wide, and that only prototypes may have been released to the vendors. I am waiting on the response from Dymag across the water. They have confirmed they will know soon. They needed the serial number.

The car was put on the track for demonstration while Dieline owned the car, I don't know any speeds, just that it performed very well. After reading the " The Heart of the Beast" It looks as though the Father of the black motor was actually Kim Baker? GM,Mercruiser, Kim Baker and Dieline were actually working together prior to the black widow cars.

I will post the new info as I get it. The history of this car is very interesting. This car is very rare, and the value of the car seems to far exceed what the owner is asking for the car.
As soon as I receive all the info from Dymag, and I want to to give Kim Baker time to return my email, hopefully with all specifications in the engine. We will put the car on ebay if we get no takers here.
If anyone knows which publication this car was shown in, please let me know which edition, what year. I want to get as much info correct as possible on the car.

Thanks

[witdog2020]

I'm still waiting on a return email from Baker, the car is still available if anyone is interested? Last call, I'm gonna advertise the car again this week a few places. We need to ship it down the road. Thanks to the guys who called we appreciated the info.

Thanks

[BlackWidow#2]

As Far as I know George Crouse still has #2.. or did in June when I saw him

Hi Jeff! was good to see you again!

[BlackWidow#2]

In refenence to your Dymag wheels, I would think that they are 11" in front and 13" in the rear. The correct way to measure is inside the edges where the beads of the tires will seat. Outside of these edges is typically 1" wider, roughly. 11s and 13s were what was available back then. I do remember seeing a Dieline car at Corvettes at Carlisle back in the 90s. Good luck with your search.
George

[LGAFF]

I spoke to Randy Rippie, I asked him if they ever did motors for Kim Baker, and he said they did not.

[witdog2020]

I sent an email to Baker and he returned it wanting pictures. He remembered the car, I sent the pictures but have not heard back from him. The father of Black motor engines seems to be Baker, but this was actually built just before the Widow Cars. I believe Rippie got the contract with GM's approval the way I understand it. Baker and Dieline built this car to showboat the black motor cars and what they could do with them. It has the DRM-500 Chip, it was machined my Mercury Marine, It has Mercruiser Key chain in the Owners packet as well. Everything is the same except no Rippie Name, You could say this is a Widow car without Rippies Name on it. This may be the only Black motor Car not built by Rippie. Why wouldn't the value be the same as a widow car? It should be the same shouldn't it? It has more options than the widow cars (cage, AP racing brakes, foam filled frame and more). Maybe its just the market on these cars right now?

I have an old appraisal of the car that reference the car with 11 and 13" wheels, I also have another document that says they are 12 and 14" wheels. When the owner had the new tires installed the insides were 12 and 14" This is the info I have. I will measure and see what the wheels are on the outside and use a judgement call, I'm wont dismount for that, But we definetly need the correct info.

Thanks for all the info.

[scholtmj]

Looks like this car sold. 18k?

[witdog2020]

Yep sold

[witdog2020]

Yep sold

Well the buyer had some issues I guess, and the car is still available. This car sold way lower than its worth, any takers?

[Jeffvette]

Well the buyer had some issues I guess, and the car is still available. This car sold way lower than its worth, any takers?


Financial issues, or issues with the car?

[scholtmj]

:happy1:

Interesting...tempting...

[witdog2020]

financial committments to family, I have not talked to him personally, I just got a msg. He did not even get to see the car, I was a little dissappointed, I really wanted to show the car. I talked with the owner, he is allowing 1 more shot to sell the car.

Thanks gimme some of that popcorn, and whiskey if you have any.