6/14 Antioch IL Car Show & Dyno - FBI

[Ccmano]

Ok all you FBI'ers, time to show what you did over the winter. Next Sunday June 14th is the Antioch Nostalga Car Show & Dyno day. Don has set up set up a special ZR-1 display area and Val's Automotive will be there with their portable Dynojet Dynamometer. Last year is was only $50 a run(s). So let's see what kind of power your car puts down and show off a few of our pieces at the same time. Hope to see Pete, Al and Bob there with their monsters machines to see who's mechanic is best!

Here are the details. Don and I will be there by 8 am. This is usually a very large show.

Antioch 11th Annual Nostalgia Auto Show
11th Annual Nostalgia Auto Show Date: June, 14th 2009 City: Antioch, IL 60002 The BIG three in Antioch have done it again!! Antioch Chrysler Dodge Jeep, Kunes Country Ford, and Raymond Chevrolet are teaming up once again for the 11th Annual Nostalgia Auto Show! This year is going to be BIGGER and BETTER than ever! This is the show that KICKS off the SUMMER in northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin! Open to all 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s muscle cars (all makes and models)!! No registration fees, just FREE fun for everyone! Special showing of sponsor cars, A drive on DYNO to show off your power, and raffles on every half hour are just some of the events returning for this year’s event!!! What makes this show BIGGER and BETTER? Alston race cars, Hot Rod Haus, Westech Automotive, and Body Craft have joined the mix! You can also meet the pros, and for the first time ever.. DJ 39 and Holding will be playing your favorite tunes and getting the crowed excited! Watch the past come alive! Trailer in your show car (we have the room)! Trophies will be awarded to our top showers! People’s choice, long distance drive, and best in show are just a few of the awards handed out! Come enjoy the sights and sounds of the past! Always more than 200 show cars on hand. All raffle proceeds and donations will benefit Open Arms Mission Food Pantry. Time: 9am – 3pm, come early to set up Contacts: Antioch Chrysler Dodge Jeep; Chuck Lehmann; 847-395-0200… Kunes Country Ford; Ron Kwak; 847-395-3900… Raymond Chevrolet; Frank Capozzi; 847-395-3600 Email: antiochcdj@comcast.net Web site: antiochfivestar.com
Phone: 847-395-0200
Email: antiochcdj@comcast.com (antiochcdj@comcast.com?subject=Your event listed on www.AutaBuy.com: Antioch 11th Annual Nostalgia Auto Show)
WebSite: www.antiochfivestar.com (http://www.zr1netregistry.com/LinkOut/index.cfm?GoTo=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eantiochfivestar% 2Ecom)
Date: Sun. Jun. 14, 2009

[XfireZ51]

Had fun there last year. Unfortunately, I'm out of town for a graduation next weekend. :-(

[Paul Workman]

I'm hoping to make it!

I see it as an opportunity to maybe isolate the P&P modification I've done from the headers/3" exhaust waiting in the wings. Course that means I'll have to wait another 2 weeks before I can put the header etc. on, but curiosity is running high on seeing what my P&P alone is "worth" - a sort of progression, as it were. (Actually, since I'm freshening up the U joints anyway, I'm considering doing the same with the clutch assembly and maybe even a aluminum flywheel, while I have it apart. (When does it ever end? Or, does it ever end?)

P.

P.

[LGAFF]

If i can get the clutch line replaced on the 90, might be a good day to start the HP Mod test. Only conflict is the Lemans! I wonder if anyone will be showing it? Maybe we can talk the chevy dealer into showing it in there service dept?

[Ccmano]

Forgot to mention... Don is offering to do a cookout afterwards at his house that is 5 minutes away...

So what more do you need? A car show, show off your Z, a cheap dyno run and free food!

Hope to see as many Z's as possible there!

H
:cheers:

[LGAFF]

I think we should head to Don's house and he can fix us the tradational Grand Marnier crepes and watch the end of the 24hrs.:mrgreen:

[-=Jeff=-]

I knew I had something on the 14th.. so I will not be able to make it again..

Ah well..

[Pete]

If Don "Wolfgang Puck" is cooking i'm coming.:)

Pete

[Ccmano]

OK... The show is Sunday and the weather will be perfect and the dyno is cheap!

So who's coming? Don needs to know how many weenies to get.

Jeff and Dom already declined due to other obligations.

That leaves Lee, Pete, Al, Bob, Ken, Paul, new Bob ...who am I missing? For that matter I don't think I've ever actually seen Bryan (WB9MCW) in person, only his posts in the "babes" section. Does he actually own a ZR-1 or just hang out on the web looking for Vette Porn?

How about you lurkers? I know your out there. I actually saw a white ZR-1 in Downtown Chicago Tuesday, looked stock, have never seen it before, anybody want to own up?

Let us know, festivities start at 8:30 am and we will only have 8 or so spots reserved.

H
:cheers:

[LGAFF]

Hans I am in.....was hoping to bring the black car, but clutch slave line is not in yet.....might limp it in for the dyno......I put some fresh fluid in and it seems to be working. I guess if it goes at least I won't have to tow it, just push it into the service dept.:mrgreen:

[Toyvet1]

Im out , have other plan.

[Ccmano]

Well....? :bootyshak

[Ccmano]

So far it looks like it will be Lee, Pete, New Bob, Don and myself... do be afraid the just show up. Everyone is welcome.
H
:cheers:

[LGAFF]

90 is a go for tomorrow:mrgreen: Ran great today

[Paul Workman]

So far it looks like it will be Lee, Pete, New Bob, Don and myself... do be afraid the just show up. Everyone is welcome.
H
:cheers:

Add one more! Save me a place! See y'all in the morning!

P.

[Pete]

Here's the list of who's coming.

Pete (me) :) w/ZR-1
Al w/ZR-1
Bob 99% coming w/ZR-1
Paul w/ZR-1
Lee w/ZR-1
Don w/ZR-1
Hans w/ZR-1
Dom :razz:
Jeff :razz:
Ken :razz:
Bryan (WB9MCW):razz: more food for us.

I have 3 folding umbrella chairs i will bring with.
See you guys tomorrow.

I bought/have the DVD from Bowling Green Drags we can watch it at Don's house or if somebody has a portable DVD player bring it with.

Pete (me)

[jonszr1]

pete, is there a chance that you could put that dvd on u tube .i would love to see all the guys enjoying their cars:mrgreen:. or i could buy a copy :hello:

[LGAFF]

Issues with the secondaries...car only ran 276rwhp with the stock...DRM chip hit 303. I need to see what is going on and then redyno......


Hans hit 370rwhp and 370rwtq

KarterDon hit 360rwhp with just a ported plenum and catback....:mrgreen:


We also found out Bob HDZ, who has #88 1990 has a federal emissions exemption sticker on his hood...hmmmmmm

[WB9MCW]

We hope you guys had fun!!!

the reason i could not come is because i broke my right collar bone on memorial weekend by a 5 mph fall of my yamaha dirtbike on a trail ride near the house

first time to ever break a bone -- very painful and slow to recover -- but doing much better now

last time i fell on my dirt bike (or off any motorcycle) wan when i was 15.

i have been riding this trail on the same bike since 1991.

just a dumb luck thing -- my knobby tire slid on the grass and i was thrown onto my right shoulder --it was in fact the slowest part of the 2 mile loop out there on the ATV trail right b4 the hill climb i do in 1st gear-- i did a downshift a bit earlier than usual and hit some slick grass and that was all it took to allow the rear tire to slid abt a foot or two and then when it grabbed it shot me off the trail and off the bike-- it was a very fast and i took a bad fall on the right shoulder and snapped the bone --

hard to lift up the bike and ride it home but i did it.

i hope to be able to shift and drive the vette in another few weeks or so

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1561/4481/3902240220_large.jpg

[LGAFF]

We hope you guys had fun!!!

the reason i could not come is because i broke my right collar bone on memorial weekend by a 5 mph fall of my yamaha dirtbike on a trail ride near the house



Translation: A girl in a short skirt walked by and I tripped on the sidewalk trying to catch an *** shot.

Dirt bike story is just a front...it sounds cooler

[Pete]

Great cars,great guys and great weather,could not ask for a better day.

Pete

[XfireZ51]

We hope you guys had fun!!!

the reason i could not come is because i broke my right collar bone on memorial weekend by a 5 mph fall of my yamaha dirtbike on a trail ride near the house

first time to ever break a bone -- very painful and slow to recover -- but doing much better now

last time i fell on my dirt bike (or off any motorcycle) wan when i was 15.

i have been riding this trail on the same bike since 1991.

just a dumb luck thing -- my knobby tire slid on the grass and i was thrown onto my right shoulder --it was in fact the slowest part of the 2 mile loop out there on the ATV trail right b4 the hill climb i do in 1st gear-- i did a downshift a bit earlier than usual and hit some slick grass and that was all it took to allow the rear tire to slid abt a foot or two and then when it grabbed it shot me off the trail and off the bike-- it was a very fast and i took a bad fall on the right shoulder and snapped the bone --

hard to lift up the bike and ride it home but i did it.

i hope to be able to shift and drive the vette in another few weeks or so

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1561/4481/3902240220_large.jpg

Of course we believe you Brian. :rolleyes:

[LGAFF]

Hans,

Go to the performance page and check out your torque #s vs others....the combo of CATS and resonator must be choking the car....the #s for your car equal that of cars in the 380-400hp range.

[XfireZ51]

Hans,

Go to the performance page and check out your torque #s vs others....the combo of CATS and resonator must be choking the car....the #s for your car equal that of cars in the 380-400hp range.

That 370rwtq # for Hans looks suspicious to me. Pete has 400.
What does the AFR look like? Anybody want to post a dyno run graph?
Sorry Pete didn't put his on the dyno, then we'd have a benchmark for the dyno that was being used.

[LGAFF]

Dyno seemed pretty conservative.......I talked to one of the guys at Vals, he said they tend to be alittle on the tough side with the #s.

I think the resonators hurt you, tf95ZR1, said he picked up some decent numbers when he dropped his Borla.

[XfireZ51]

Dyno seemed pretty conservative.......I talked to one of the guys at Vals, he said they tend to be alittle on the tough side with the #s.

I think the resonators hurt you, tf95ZR1, said he picked up some decent numbers when he dropped his Borla.

I'm skeptical of the torque number. JMO.

[LGAFF]

Hans car peaked at 6500RPM, seems alittle low.....might be more of a case of the car being capable of more HP.....30 extra lbft is alot relative to the hp #s......pleanty of people making 380-400hp with 370lbft. Would like to see Hans run a more free exhaust(get earplugs).....the cams Pete is running and the wide variance in cam timing from car to car could be doing it also.

[XfireZ51]

Hans car peaked at 6500RPM, seems alittle low.....might be more of a case of the car being capable of more HP.....30 extra lbft is alot relative to the hp #s......pleanty of people making 380-400hp with 370lbft. Would like to see Hans run a more free exhaust(get earplugs).....the cams Pete is running and the wide variance in cam nfrom car to car could be doing it also.

My car dyno'd 385rwhp and 350rwtq. That's one reason why I'm skeptical.
And 30lbft less than Pete is another.
Hans is running the LT-4 resonator, which isn't bad according to Marc H.
Also an Xpipe IIRC.

[LGAFF]

Look at the performance #s page, almost every car is within 2-5% of the HP rating.....those with cams show a large spread from HP to Torque.

402368Vette Doctors Top End Job, Watson Headers, Desert Development Exhaust, 4.09 gears, Jeal cams.

475411DRM-385ci stroker w/special Rippie Race cams, Geoff Jeal Headers, 4.09, Tri-Flow exhaust.

Even the factory ratig is 375hp and 370TRq at the flywheel.

[XfireZ51]

Issues with the secondaries...car only ran 276rwhp with the stock...DRM chip hit 303. I need to see what is going on and then redyno......


Hans hit 370rwhp and 370rwtq

KarterDon hit 360rwhp with just a ported plenum and catback....:mrgreen:


We also found out Bob HDZ, who has #88 1990 has a federal emissions exemption sticker on his hood...hmmmmmm

You said rear wheel torque. That's 440+ at the crank. A 70lbft increase??
:dontknow::rolleyes:

[LGAFF]

You said rear wheel torque. That's 440+ at the crank. A 70lbft increase??
:dontknow::rolleyes:


Then everyones readings on the Performance page must be wrong

Looking at the stockers the rwtq is about 320-330 so its only a 40 ftlb gain at the wheel, I think you are assuming a nearly 20% oss through the drive train.

[-=Jeff=-]

My car dyno'd 385rwhp and 350rwtq. That's one reason why I'm skeptical.
And 30lbft less than Pete is another.
Hans is running the LT-4 resonator, which isn't bad according to Marc H.
Also an Xpipe IIRC.

no he isn't. I thought Hans said the LT-4 Resonator would not fit with the X-pipe so he is running a Magnaflow piece

[Ccmano]

Had a great time yesterday, great to see the everyone. As for the dyno numbers I'm sure the system I am using is causing the lower hp reading. When Twisted Pipes redid the exhaust late last year we went as follows:
SW headers - magnaflow HF cats - X-pipe -Magnaflow Resonator - Corsa Mufflers.
As far as I'm concerned the car now sounds perfect to me. No resonance, I can carry on a conversation under normal driving conditions and screams nicely at WOT.
The next test will be at the track.
Here's a few pictures from yesterday..
H
:cheers:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/hans_meyer/Corvette/IMGP2491.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/hans_meyer/Corvette/IMGP2492.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/hans_meyer/Corvette/IMGP2493.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/hans_meyer/Corvette/IMGP2490.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/hans_meyer/Corvette/IMGP2485.jpg

[XfireZ51]

Hans,

I wouldn't come to any conclusion until you have had a chance to review your results and optimize the tuning.

[jonszr1]

if someone has a fax number that they can give me i could fax my dyno sheet from when corey ported and tuned my blk car . 409.9 rwhp and 373.3 tq. white callawaymade 389.33rwhp 361.72 tq

[Ccmano]

Hans,

I wouldn't come to any conclusion until you have had a chance to review your results and optimize the tuning.

Don't get me wrong Dom, I still plan to do some further tuning. For that matter I would even switch exhausts again if one surfaced that had little to no resonance, is reltively quiet at cruise and flowed better than what I have.

I've been toying with the idaea of using a stock LT4 system behind my cats (according Haibeck the resonator has virtually no restriction) and replaceing the stock mufflers with 3" magnaflows. The LT4 stock system has a crossover built in, unlike the later LT1's and ZR-1's.
H
:cheers:

[jonszr1]

there is am article by hib that shares what he did with an lt4 and flowmaster system that made 28 hp over stk .something to consider .

[Pete]

On the Dyno #'s

I would double check them a different dyno,that's what i do 2 different dynos 2-3 different tracks.
Now that i think about it 370 370 seem a bit wierd.
What were Don's #'s?

Pete

[LGAFF]

Don was 360hp and 355tq if I recall

Pete go to the perforamnce page...most cars with that level of mods are similiar....cammed cars have a wider range.

[Pete]

I see that and noticed the early Z's had closer #'s then the later Z's.
I would still double check the #'s.

I think Hans car will make 390-400 without all the exhaust restrictions.
I would bet HP would go up but TQ would remain.

Pete

[XfireZ51]

On the Dyno #'s

I would double check them a different dyno,that's what i do 2 different dynos 2-3 different tracks.
Now that i think about it 370 370 seem a bit wierd.
What were Don's #'s?

Pete

:iamwithst Forgive me Pete. :worship:

[Paul Workman]

Had a great time! Those that missed it...missed it!! :rolleyes: Some of the FBI and friends, (left to right)...

Hans, Pete, Don n Gary doing what we do best...eat, drink, and talk Z's!:thumbsup:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/Vettes/June14-09FBIgang.jpg

Topics at this session was the affects of various cam timing, tuning, exhaust variations - pros n cons, and what was going on with Lee's car that day??

Thanks Hans n Don for hosting! A good time had by all!

P.

[LGAFF]

and what was going on with Lee's car that day??

Thanks Hans n Don for hosting! A good time had by all!

P.


What was the verdict, I was thinking 303hp was too high to be a power key issue. I need to test the system and see.....another friggin plenum pull.....

Maybe 303 is correct.....but I don't think I could hit 12s with 303 like it did.

Although it did produce 390ftlbs of TQ............kidding

[XfireZ51]

What was the verdict, I was thinking 303hp was too high to be a power key issue. I need to test the system and see.....another friggin plenum pull.....

Maybe 303 is correct.....but I don't think I could hit 12s with 303 like it did.

Although it did produce 390ftlbs of TQ............kidding

Must be a Xfire. Did you get any codes?

[LGAFF]

No codes just alot of swearing on my part.....


Clogged cats? peaked at 5500 rpm