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[GrayZ]

I am now officially the proud owner of my 1990 ZR1, paid that "toy"
off a few months ago. I am now, fighting the itch for something else.
Any constructive thoughts, are appreciated. Here is what is surging
through my pea brain.

1. I could, modify my ZR1.. currently it has:
Watson Headers, hi flo cats, Haibeck chip, Hurst short throw shifter.
410 gears, C-Beam plates , Corsa Exhaust, torque thrust 2's chome wheels, goodyear d'3s. a pair of fuzzy dice. :blahblah:

OR:

I could start saving my Coin, to purchase a 2006 or newer ZO6.


Or, I could trade one of my daily drivers in on this, awesome,
2004 Modified ZO6. I love the looks of this Banana yeller, cobra killer.
It has some light mods, done to it, and has over 500 rwhp. :mrgreen:

Only 29,000 on the clock. owned by a older gentleman, that only drove
it on sunny sunday's.

I can afford the 2004 z06, right now.
but i would have to wait a year or so, on the newer 2006 z06.
life is short, so what would pootie tang do?? :dontknow:

[GrayZ]

THIS 2004 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 WAS JUST TRADED TO US AND WAS A LOCALLY OWNED CAR. THIS IMMACULATE CORVETTE HAS BEEN ENHANCED WITH:

COMP PERFORMANCE CAMSHAFTS, BEEHIVE SPRINGS, LIFTERS, & HARDENED PUSHRODS
BREATHLESS PERFORMANCE VORTEX RAM AIR SYSTEM
ARP HEAD STUDS AND BALANCER BOLT
KOOKS CUSTOM HEADERS
BORLA CAT BACK PERFORMANCE EXHAUST
L.E.D. TAILIGHTS
NITTO DRAG RADIALS
CHROMED ALLOY WHEELS
HEADS UP DISPLAY
MEMORY SEATING PACKAGE
BOSE AUDIO
DUAL ZONE CLIMATE CONTROL
AND MUCH MORE!!
THIS CAR WAS ADULT OWNED AND IS EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAN THROUGHOUT!! THIS CORVETTE HAS AN ESTIMATED HORSEPOWER RATING OF OVER TO 500HP AND IS WICKEDLY FAST!!



http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/kmoudy/My%20zr1%20photos/2985007_43.jpg


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/kmoudy/My%20zr1%20photos/2985007_44.jpg


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/kmoudy/My%20zr1%20photos/2985007_8.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j9/kmoudy/My%20zr1%20photos/2985007_38.jpg

[tccrab]

Here's my vote and my reasoning.

Don't do it.


In 2004 there were 5,683 Z06's produced.
That's nearly as many TOTAL ZR1's produced.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/stabf.gif

TomC
"Crabs"

[GrayZ]

Tom,
of course, I would not be buying the 2004 z06 as an investment,
it's the need for speed, my brother man.
Although, i understand, the car woujld retain, some value.
This is a cry for help, if you will :mrgreen:

[tomcat]

Buy one of these. You can't go wrong

http://directorym.myride.com/photo-gallery2005Saleen/S7/photo24604-page1-item1.html

Manfred E........
91 #906

[tccrab]

Tom,
of course, I would not be buying the 2004 z06 as an investment,
it's the need for speed, my brother man.
Although, i understand, the car woujld retain, some value.
This is a cry for help, if you will :mrgreen:

Keith Buddy:
If you're Jonesing for speed, slap a Raptor Twin Turbo on your Z.
If you want "Stupid Fast", head on down to your local motorcycle shop and buy the Suzuki GSX1300R "Hyabusa".

My older brother decided at 50 years old that he needed "Quickness" in his life.
Meet FordZilla:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bgaS25ioWE

TomC
"Crabs"

[HIZNHRZ]

Herer's my two cents worth, I'd do another round of mods on the ZR-1 AND buy the Z06.

I recently sold my C6 driver and upgraded my otherwise ZR1 garage queen. I now has everything your ZR1 has except I gave it to Marc Haibeck and had his 500Hp top end package less the aluminum flywheel. As far as I'm concerned it now looks and runs the way it should have when it was new. To the casual observer (and except for the CCW wheels) it also looks stock. It is a first class blast to drive and drive hard. In the first 9 years of ownership I put about 6k miles on it. Since this spring I've put 4K miles on it :mrgreen:

Before the Haibeck package, I pulled about 370rwhp on a conservative tune. After the Haibeck package, I'm hitting 420rwhp (without the single mass flywheel) and still on a conservative tune. The difference is, however, amazing. From what I can tell, the difference is not peak Hp, the package seems to pull the entire torque curve up. With any luck I'll get a few runs in before the weather turns; that will be the real test.

My next step will be to match the ZR-1 with a C6 Z06 stablemate. I believe I'll then have two of the greatest Corvettes (for looks and fun) made.

[Jeffvette]

Skip the C5 and get the C6 Z06. There will be several for sale in the next few months at great prices.

[White Bullet]

:iamwithst I would pass on the 2004 and get the C6 ZO6:mrgreen:.

[Aurora40]

It has some light mods, done to it, and has over 500 rwhp. :mrgreen:
I kinda doubt it has >500whp. It says "500 estimated horsepower". It has headers and a cam. My guess is that's not adding 150+whp to the car.

I'd also say skip the C5Z and get either a C6 or C6Z if you were so inclined. The LS2 has about the same power as the LS6, and could be just as easily modded, and the car is newer and better looking.

If you can't swing it now, drive the ZR-1. Man, like that's some kind of consolation prize or something? Your money will go up and C6 prices will come down until they meet in the middle. :)

[FU]

:iamwithst I would pass on the 2004 and get the C6 ZO6:mrgreen:.


Do it. You will be very happy ! Take your time and pick your shot , the C6 ZO6 prices are dropping like rocks out of the sky.

[ZZZZZR1]

Skip the C5 and get the C6 Z06. There will be several for sale in the next few months at great prices.

I agree... C6 Z06 is a "beast" without mods Wait on a great price and it will be worth it!

[Jeffvette]

I agree... C6 Z06 is a "beast" without mods Wait on a great price and it will be worth it!


Why wait, there is a dealership offering a brand new 08 for 59k and including a three day school at Spring Mountain.

[32valvZ]

I dunno man.... sure happy with my new toy!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture046.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture050.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture052.jpg

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[diamond zr1]

Get a c6/the twin turbo fidanza convertible that I just brought back from cleveland is so much more comfy to drive then my zr1/drove 850 miles one day without needing a sauna./ a little more noise,but when you tuck up the turbos where the mufflers were,it's worth it/975rwhp/800 ft.lbs torque

[GrayZ]

I dunno man.... sure happy with my new toy!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture046.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture050.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture052.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture064.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Michael94T/Picture069.jpg



you're car is nice, really nice
congrats on the new man toy

[Paul Workman]

My next step will be to match the ZR-1 with a C6 Z06 stablemate. I believe I'll then have two of the greatest Corvettes (for looks and fun) made.

That's my plan (too), and I'm stickin toit!:cheers:

P.

[tomtom72]

God bless you Keith! That yellow ZO6 is a looker! It just needs a good set of heads to complete the package....maybe even a magna-charger for that certain something extra....;)

I vote for the deferred gratification thing......wait till ya can afford a sweet used C6/ZO6.......OR......do the Marc Haibeck thing, all ya have left to do is the complete top end port and retime the cams thing....that's even cheaper than either the C5/ZO6 or the C6/ZO6.......OR......if ya have the itch to spend, let someone do a cubic inch enhancement to your car...the snow is gonna fly soon....you wont miss the Z over the winter....

I know, I'm no help!:mrgreen:

:cheers:
Tom

[rhipsher]

I test drove an atomic orange 2008 Zo6 and it was sweet. But if you want strait up brutality thats way out of the c6 zO6's league and is half the money get a LPE 415 stroker. I know a guy who has both of them and even he will tell you they are not even in the same univers. His stock C6 zO6 dyno'd at 435rwhp. His LPE ZR-1 dyno'd at 700rwhp. And in the Texas mile hit 189mph at the one mile finish. Its loud and rowdy and sets off car alarms everywhere. Here are a few that were at Corey's shop.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2704783_30_full.jpg

http://s301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/?action=view&current=ZR-1gettogether023.flv

[rhipsher]

Here's another carrot. Now this is brutal ZR-1 power at its finest.

http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2377f55c19c5d403335c

[Demps]

Keith,

Any one of the three is awesome. Here's some thoughts about 1) "uping" the hp of your car, 2) C5Z, and 3) C6Z. I've driven them all and here are my observations.

1) I've had the pleasure of driving a stock ZR-1 (which you've surpassed already). I've had Haibeck's top end package with 4.10s and it was awesome--it's now a 415 (more later). I have an SGC top end with stage I cams and 4.30s. Once you go into the engine of the LT5 the rewards are amazing. A ported top end (heads included) is awesome. 4.30 gears are too much for me. The ultimate is the 415. 555 rwhp is just about right. My only regret is that I wish I would have done it sooner. Every true ZR-1 lover should have a stroker. I would say the ZR-1's depreciation is the lowest of the three.

2) C5Z is a great car that can go fast cheap. Good for racing but a little stiff for some on the daily commute. It lacks the creature comforts, like our C4s, of navigation, bluetooth, etc but will outperform most anything on the road. The cars are very affordable and have steadied on depreciation.

3) C6Z is another ballgame all together. Stock dynos are around/higher than the top end LT5, has a waranty (maybe), has the creature comfort options, etc. Prices are coming down fast which is the definition of depreciation.

So, going nowhere fast....the modifications on your ZR-1 will about equal the depreciation on the C6Z. If you choose #1, you can enjoy it and let #3 bottom in price. Unless you want a track car or are "attracted" to the C5Z, the C5Z will leave you wanting #1 or #3. Otherwise, go all the way and find a good-priced C6Z and never look back! I wouldn't trade my 415 for new C6Z, but I LOVE the LT5/ZR-1.

Ted

[fred]

C6-Z06...:worship:...( or wait for the C7 version if they're still allowed to make them!)

[GrayZ]

Greetings, sports fans: ( :hal: ) :wave:

I appreciate all who have posted in this thread.
and must admit, i've decided to sit on the fence.
One of my new friends at the bar & grill has a 2006 blue, z06.
i asked him for a ride, and we were supposed to meet and ride in
each other's car's late friday afternoon ( yesterday)
. I arrived a little late,
but, when i walked in, he said, let me finish my late lunch, here
are the keys, take her for a spin. :jawdrop: and of course me being of
questionable sound mind, jumped on the offer. I eased her off the
ramp, into traffic onto the interstate, (kinda) that little blue car
will jump, I was impressed, i lightly ran her through her paces
Here are my thoughts.

I'm gonna probably go for the haibeck 500 hp upgrade.
a lot of bang for the coin. I'm gonna get the engine polished at the same time so it will have a ton of bling when sammy the clammy opens up.

the c6 is faster than my bolt on, zr1,, But. not $40,000. 00 faster.
i dunno what i'm gonna have marc do, but i know a C6 ZO6 is in my future.

I compare the two cars as such. the zr1 is a controlled 'beast'
mine is loud and obnoxious and i love her. I told wifey to just bury me
in it.
The c6 z06 is a highly bred race horse. Secretariat of cars.
( Franky is gonna give me his ) :mrgreen: when the z06's age a couple more
years, i will snatch one up.

[HIZNHRZ]

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2704783_30_full.jpg


What a beautiful engine, they just don't get much prettier than that!

[Aurora40]

I test drove an atomic orange 2008 Zo6 and it was sweet. But if you want strait up brutality thats way out of the c6 zO6's league and is half the money get a LPE 415 stroker. I know a guy who has both of them and even he will tell you they are not even in the same univers. His stock C6 zO6 dyno'd at 435rwhp. His LPE ZR-1 dyno'd at 700rwhp.
A 700whp 415?

[FU]

That's a good idea. Let Marc do a top end job. BTW I like the output per dollar on that package.
Then go on out a get a ZO6 somewhere down the road.

[A26B]

Keith,
I concur with your decision right down the line. :thumbsup: After drivingthe C6 ZO6 during the school at Spring Mountain, I love the car.... but want it for a creature comfort, bells & whistles daily driver. I'm gonna wait a couple of years and grab one at a bargain. For the adrenaline rush, the 415 and the hi-boost TT LT5 in my future will take care of that. :dancing Forget the C5.

[rhipsher]

A 700whp 415?
Yep 700rwhp. It has stage three cams and is supercharged. I was there when they dyno'd it. I was standing about 20 feet behind it and the wind comming out of the exhaust nearly blew my shirt off me and just about destroyed my ear drums. To have it done coasts $29,000. So I figure most of us paid somewhere in the ball park of $22,000 for our Z. And then you send it off to LPE for $29,000 and It comes back transformed into a monster from hell. $22,000 + $29,000 = $51,000 which is still cheaper than a brand new 505hp Zo6 and still twice the power. But most of us would agree its cheaper to buy a 415 already done.
Don't get me wrong the new c6 z is a wonderfull car. Vary smooth and the navigation system and heads up display are so sweet. It was noticebly faster than my 90 Z. Not buy a hell of a whole lot but never the less it was. And after driving that new zo6 and then hopping back into the ZR-1 it felt a little old and squashy. And it didn't have that new car smell anymore. But as soon as I hit the gas all the excitement came right back.:cheers:

[A26B]

You've got your red ZR-1's at Corey's kind of mixed up.

Will's is a 415, normally aspirated & stage III cams To have this done is about $30,000, give or take a few thousand. It dynos in the 550 rwhp range.

Phils's is turbocharged (not supercharged) no Stage III cams, and is the one that dynoed the 700 rwhp. Getting one done today like Phil's will run in the neighborhood of $75,000 for the engine work required to handle the boost & build the TT setup.

[rhipsher]

You've got your red ZR-1's at Corey's kind of mixed up.

Will's is a 415, normally aspirated & stage III cams To have this done is about $30,000, give or take a few thousand. It dynos in the 550 rwhp range.

Phils's is turbocharged (not supercharged) no Stage III cams, and is the one that dynoed the 700 rwhp. Getting one done today like Phil's will run in the neighborhood of $75,000 for the engine work required to handle the boost & build the TT setup.
No this one was not a car that was at coreys. This is a white 93 here in Houston. Dr. Sanjay also knows him. I met him at the bay town drag strip. When I first met him he didn't even know who Corey was. His had a super charger on it. I've seen the TT 415's but never a super charger. So apparently you can super charger them to. Sanjay said he has quite a bit more work done to it than just the $29,000 job. I know you were at the get together with me in Oct. I just can't connect the face with the name.

Now this dewy's 415 ZR-1 right?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/jjjjjjjj.jpg

And this is Wills 415 TT ZR-1 right

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2704783_36_full.jpg

And this was both of them drag racing that night against each other.

http://s301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/?action=view&current=ZR-1gettogether017.flv

I just want to make sure I get it right.

But I'm still very knew to this ZR-1 business so by all means correct me if I get some facts wrong.

[A26B]

OK...here we go.

The fine fellow in the yellow t-shirt, kneeling behind the red ZR-1 in your top photo is Will Barrett. The engine in his car is a Lingenfelter 415. It does not have turbos or a supercharger.

The white ZR-1 in your second picture belongs to Paul Smith, super nice guy too. His ZR-1 also has a Lingenfelter 415 and does not have turbochargers. It's SW's old ZR-1 and damn fast.

Paul's red ZR-1 (not pictured) is a Lingenfelter 368, twin turbo (no Stage III cams). It is one of 4 Lingenfelter ZR-1 TT cars. It was also at Corey's shop. Paul has installed an automatic trans since LPE did the work. A real prince of a guy.

After visiting with a few of the other guys, none of us are aware of a supercharged ZR-1 except for Randy Wood's which was debuted in Bowling Green last May. He's not from Houston & the car is not white. Naturally, if the car you saw was a ZR-1 with an LT5 engine, we are all very curious about it. No one has ever heard of an LT5 415 supecharged or turbocharged except for what you've said here. Please confirm the details & find out more for us. Maybe you can contact the firm that did the dyno on it.

BTW, I'm the guy you thought "married up":icon_scra

[rhipsher]

I will try to get some more info and pictures of the car. Maybe I can convince him to come to the get together if we have one next year. He said he doesn't fool with any of the forums. Kind of a recluse in the ZR-1 circle. I guess there are a few of them out there.

[FU]

What ET and MPH did the white car post ?

[rhipsher]

What ET and MPH did the white car post ?
I believe it was 10.5 or 10.6 at 135mph. Very fast for a street car. On page two of this thread I posted a video of a 700hp 415 ZR-1 drag racing that turned out almost identical times. I don't know who's ZR-1 that is in the video. But I'm sure somebody on here will know. Post#20

[Chris_32212]

Tom,
of course, I would not be buying the 2004 z06 as an investment,
it's the need for speed, my brother man.
Although, i understand, the car woujld retain, some value.
This is a cry for help, if you will :mrgreen:


if your buying a car because of the need for speed you need to skip corvettes all together. lol. i know im going to catch hell for saying that and dont get the wrong idea. i LOVE corvettes and i LOVE my 93 ZR-1. if i was in the market for a toy, this is what i would be saving for.

it is powered by the best power plant on the planet; SBC
its the fastest super car on the planet and costs less then a 2009 ZR1 delivered to your door. if you buy it in kit form, you can put it together yourself for around $60k
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html :worship:


0-60mph
2.7secs

0-100mph (never leaves second gear!)
5.5secs

0-150mph
11.8secs

30-70mph
2.0secs

0-100mph-0 (i have seen a video on this website where it did this in 9.4sec)
10.3secs

100mph-0 Braking
3.9secs

Speed Achieved
204mph on the Bruntingthorpe straight

Top Speed
231mph est. (gearing limited)

Standing ¼ mile
10.5secs @ 140mph terminal *



Engine
Chevrolet V8 377cu in

Power
641bhp (at the crank!... not RWHP)

Torque
545ft/lbs

Transmission
Porsche G50 (capable of handling more than 1000hp)

they have a newer GTR 720 which has 720hp and the 1/4mile time was well down into the nines. these stats are a little out dated but the GTR720 out performs the bugatti veyron in every catagory for around 5 cents on the dollar. :thumbsup:

the newer stats are somewhere on the website but i dont have the time to find them at the moment.


Chris

[GrayZ]

if your buying a car because of the need for speed you need to skip corvettes all together. lol. i know im going to catch hell for saying that and dont get the wrong idea. i LOVE corvettes and i LOVE my 93 ZR-1. if i was in the market for a toy, this is what i would be saving for.

it is powered by the best power plant on the planet; SBC
its the fastest super car on the planet and costs less then a 2009 ZR1 delivered to your door. if you buy it in kit form, you can put it together yourself for around $60k
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html :worship:

0-60 in 2.6sec
0-100 in 3.6sec (never leaves second gear!)
0-100-0 in 9.4sec

performance numbers based on 720hp SBC but the transaxle will hold over 1000hp.

it out performs the bugatti veyron in every catagory for less then 15 cents on the dollar. :thumbsup:

Chris


chris, thanks for the reply, but i don't want a kit car.
no matter how fast,
I'm a corvette dude. I've seen the General's daughter nekkid :sign10:

[Chris_32212]

chris, thanks for the reply, but i don't want a kit car.
no matter how fast,
I'm a corvette dude. I've seen the General's daughter nekkid :sign10:


Its not a KIT car! i think technically it is considered a component car but its also considered the fastest Super Car on the planet but i suppose thats all just symantics. Corvettes are amazing machines but they have their limits and they will never be as fast as a GTR. mainly because the GTR weighs 2000lbs.

Chris

[GrayZ]

Its not a KIT car! i think technically it is considered a component car but its also considered the fastest Super Car on the planet but i suppose thats all just symantics. Corvettes are amazing machines but they have their limits and they will never be as fast as a GTR. mainly because the GTR weighs 2000lbs.

Chris
your quote
it is powered by the best power plant on the planet; SBC
its the fastest super car on the planet and costs less then a 2009 ZR1 delivered to your door. if you buy it in kit form, you can put it together yourself for around $60k
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html :worship:




this thread was created to help me make an educated decision
on either
moding my car
buying a c5 zo6
or buying a c6zo6

[Hammer]

it is powered by the best power plant on the planet; SBC
its the fastest super car on the planet and costs less then a 2009 ZR1 delivered to your door. if you buy it in kit form, you can put it together yourself for around $60k
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html :worship:
Chris

Looks like a Transformer in the third picture.

[Chris_32212]

you can buy the GTR in stages which allows you to put different parts of the car together and it would cost around 60k or for around 90k it can be delivered to your door ready run minus a small block chevy of your choosing. The term "kit car" refers to kits that use existing chassis or frames from a donor vehicle like the fiero/lambo kits. "component car" refers to a vehicle that is entirely new manufactured materials from a company other then an actual auto manufacturer. this vehicle started life as a purpose built road race car but was quickly banned from competition for an unfair advantage as it was lapping all competition and finishing 1,2,3 at almost every event they raced in. any automotive enthusiest should be able to appreciate the level of engineering that went into this car. in my mind, its a master piece. i realized a long time ago that using a mass produced passenger car for all out performance was inherantly flawed so i had actually set out to try to design and engineer my own component car that would hopefully be capable of this level of performance, then i found GTR on the internet while beginning my research about five years ago and i knew instantly that it was what i had been looking for and that i could never engineer anything that would perform better. i know this is not the purpose your thread was intended for and i apologize for that, sounds like you have already made up your mind on how to proceed with your next corvette purchase and i wish you luck. i just figured there might be a few people out there that dont know about the GTR who might appreciate the car.

Chris

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track1.html
The Caparo T1 is a street legal F1 car that posted faster lap times then the GTR which is very impressive but far out of my price range at over $400,000. The GTR still is faster then the T1 in acceleration but the T1 pulls 2.8G's on the skid pad which is why it pulls faster laps.

[GrayZ]

thanks Crhis for the clarifcation
yeah, i'm gonna mod my car
and save up for a zo6