Canceling the front sway bar!

[HADI-ZR1]

So guys,What do you think Cancelling the front Sway Bar?
any one did that? what side effect..?
:rolleyes:

[tomtom72]

I could be dead wrong about this "generalization"....but uaually on a front engine/rear drive chassis if you disconnect the end links on the front bar you will end up with more over steer in general, and if you are on the power & turning in to a corner, you will have "power on over steer" ...... usually the front end wants to wash out to the outside of the corner unless you put a good deal of opposite 'lock' into the front wheels, I think......if you have ever watched dirt track oval racing you will see a good example of power on over steer.

[karterdon]

If I may Ask??? Why do you want to disconnect the sway bar??? Are you not happy with the corner handling ??

[jonszr1]

he might be wanting to disconnect it to go drag racing . do this really can free up front end lift off the line hence increased traction

[tccrab]

Yup.
It's an old drag racing trick.
My old '67 Camaro had no sway bar and 90/10 shocks up front.
The front end lifts to the sky at initial hammer drop and slowly goes back to level about halfway down the track. If set up correctly, this trick can make some nice improvement in the 60' times.
You wouldn't want to drive a car like this on the street.
The first time you fed any throttle at all into a corner you'd be buying a new car.
:occasion1

Hadi, it's not something you should even think about doing to your 'Vette.

TomC
"Crabs"

[HADI-ZR1]

If I may Ask??? Why do you want to disconnect the sway bar??? Are you not happy with the corner handling ??

BTW The earlier 991 havent got saw bars from factory!
and this is not why i want to cancel it, buddy.

but I have spring rate 500 lbs (front) ,so i am not in lean ,and my car is lowered, so there will not be much force in cornering,
hence i feel The front sway bar is Rabish!:dontknow:
I need more opinions on this trick. thanks.
I will take the Z for test when i done with it.

[HADI-ZR1]

' King of The
Hadi, it's not something you should even think about doing to your 'Vette.
'
TomC
"Crabs"
Tom , i havent "vette" [-X,....... I have "KOTH". :mrgreen:

[HADI-ZR1]

I post this from other forum member just for Info. exchange!

It's my understanding that front anti-sway bars actaully contribute to understeer. They force you to back off on the speed in a turn before you are actually out of lateral grip. It makes the car "safer" for less experienced drivers, which is why most cars come with them, but they don't actually improve handling beyond a certain point.

I learned a lot of what I know from a VW/Audi/Porsche suspension expert up in MA (Dick Shine) and he doesn't include front sway bars in any of the custom suspension systems he built. He usually recommends leaving the stock bar, definitely NOT a thicker front bar. He suggests removing the front bar altogther in some cases for experienced drivers.

[cuisinartvette]

Just leave it on.

[bldavis11]

Agreed. You've yet to say what you're trying to fix!

[tccrab]

It seems to me that Hadi thinks that taking it off will make the car handle better if you're an "Experienced Driver". :icon_scra
Well, Hadi, at the end of the day it's your car and you can do whatever you want to do to it.
Just remember Hadi, there are OLD pilots and there are Bold pilots, but there are no OLD BOLD pilots.
Take it off and tell us what you learn.
I'm all ears.
Teach me something new, I'm always willing to learn a new trick or two.
:thumbsup::occasion1:hello:

TomC
"Crabs"

[Jeffvette]

I'm all ears.



Well, I will pipe up this one time in a Hadi thread.

Disconnecting the sway bar per Mr. Shines suggestion, is for front wheel drive cars. And is usually done only for autoX use.

Doing so in a RWD offers no benefits unless you are sitting at the staging light and looking for more transfer. On the track or on the regular road, you will encounter some freaky handling characteristics.

Yes, running with heavier springs will help some, but you are depending upon those springs for another purpose. Handling uneven pavement transitions and road conditions. With a heavy front spring of 500 lbs, you are not going to have a lot of fun on any road surface other than smooth as glass. I run 425's on my front coilovers. 450's are probably my max for comfort and the car handling trade off. And also with a heavier rate spring, you will need shocks valved appropriately.

[cuisinartvette]

Agreed. You've yet to say what you're trying to fix!

Sounds like a bad hangover or buzz to me. No telling what Hadi is up to as the day passes :sign10: