09 ZR1 as part of ZR-1 Net

[XfireZ51]

Well we've "discussed" it, how about a show of hands?
Do we include the 09 ZR1 as part of this forum?

[tccrab]

What the heck, why not?
Is there really a difference between a ZR1 or a ZR-1 or a ZR/1?
At the end of the day, it will be able to make mincemeat out of all but the most extremely modified versions of our "Old King".

Welcoming the "New King" with open arms should be viewed as a gracious and hospitable act befitting the kindness and generosity of the existing King.

(Just don't tell them folks with more $$$ than branes that with their $100k+dealer markup (which will probably be BIG $$$$) they could have bought a different color ZR1 for each and every day of the week.)

[tomtom72]

I agree with TC. Even the part about the $$$ and gettin' a ZR-1 for everyday of the week....that would be cool & I aspire to that when I grow up!:sign10:

All I can say if anyone can afford a new ZR1....god bless ya & go for it!:thumbsup:

:cheers:

[QB93Z]

I say yes. Make a section and lets all share. Now if we could get GM to give a complimentary ZR-1/NetRegistry membership with each ZR1 purchased, we would be a step ahead.
Jim

[guitarZR1]

Sure, Why Not.. A ZR-1 is a ZR-1 it will stimulate interest in the old ones as well. I am sure there will be many who cannot afford a new one who will want one and that will create a new demand for the old ones.

[We Gone]

I say let em in put them on a 30 day program if it don't work out send them back to CF

[djpatrick35]

Why not let 'em in? We need as many posters as we can get!

[32valvZ]

:icon_scra

[ZR1Vette]

From a somewhat new perspective..why throw the baby out with the bath wash... it's called a ZR1 (as opposed to a ZR-1) but lets not a '-' divide us...so my vote is 'Yes'...with open arms and brotherhood
Michael

[HADI-ZR1]

"Let's open a section and see"
This mean ppl who vote for this mean YES!! :icon_scra
anyway, I vote for Lets wait and see.

i think the poll should go like this:
Yes.
NO.
Idon't know.
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then from the voters, the moderator will decide if he open new section
for 09 ZR1.
:thumbsup:

[flyin ryan]

no. :thumbsdo: . i've stated my feelings earlier in the other treads. the vote is close but i'm the first to actually state no:icon_scra . the question was asked...step-up.

[95ZR1]

From a somewhat new perspective..why throw the baby out with the bath wash... it's called a ZR1 (as opposed to a ZR-1) but lets not a '-' divide us...so my vote is 'Yes'...with open arms and brotherhood
Michael

Yet you are the ZR1Vette, without a "-"

[Aurora40]

Curious, since one option is "open a section", are we talking about including them in the forum or in the registry?

[HADI-ZR1]

Curious, since one option is "open a section", are we talking about including them in the forum or in the registry?
good question!
:happy1:

[Sihler]

Should we include the original ZR-1 as well?:thumbsdo:

[RedSled]

I vote yes. I think they would need a their own forum though for the two very different ZR-1 / ZR1s. Not sure there would be enough interest in the "original" ZR-1, but they could certainly be members.

- Keith '90 Red/Red #1383

[DaveK]

I also voted 'no' and have said so on the other discussion threads. I don't see that the new ZR1 is anything like ours. To me it just looks like a C6 with a bunch of bolt-ons and doesn't seem to have the 'hallmark of distinction' that ours do. I also doubt if anyone buying one would want to join us here - they don't need our information and probably don't even know we exist.

That said a Corvette is a Corvette so all brethren in that sense.

I don't imagine my opinion on the subject makes much difference one way or another though :)

[XfireZ51]

Curious, since one option is "open a section", are we talking about including them in the forum or in the registry?

The poll was posted to suggest whether an 09 ZR1 Forum Section is opened. Hope that clarifies things. But now that you've brought it up, wouldn't there be a separate "registry" for the new
ZR1

[treeZR1]

I say let em in put them on a 30 day program if it don't work out send them back to CFWhy would you wish that on anyone?

[Pete]

WTF
I thought this was an LT5 KOTH forum.

The new ZR1 as great as it is it's still not an LT5.

If i wanna read about the new ZR1 i'll go the the other forums.

We have nothing in common not a single part of the car is the same as ours.

They can start there own ZR1registry this one has been thru h3ll and back just to have and keep this one togather.

If we let them in then how about C5's and C6's since some members own them.
Then maybe some ricers.
There used to be a motocyle called the ZR1 maybe let them in also,lets not forget the ZR2's

I say anybody can join even if they don't own a ZR-1 as long as they know it's a ZR-1/LT5 only forum.

This is a full of sh!t thread.
If i were the mod i would delete this thread.

If the owners wanna have/make a C6 ZR1 they can start a whole new forum and call it the ZR1Registry and keep it different.

Over here i just wanna read about 32valves not 16.

Two different worlds.

Pete

[ZR1Vette]

Yet you are the ZR1Vette, without a "-"

LOL...good point... maybe site administrator would be so kind to correct this oversight on my part...
Michael

[HADI-ZR1]

WTF
I thought this was an LT5 KOTH forum.
The problem is, this forum is not : LT-5 Registry !! :mrgreen:


If i wanna read about the new ZR1 i'll go the the other forums.

Good point ! =D>

There used to be a motocyle called the ZR1 maybe let them in also,lets not forget the ZR2's
http://img.xchat.centrum.cz/images/x4/sm/25/625.gif


I say anybody can join even if they don't own a ZR-1 as long as they know it's a ZR-1/LT5 only forum.
:rolleyes:

Here we are: C4 ZR1 => http://home.earthlink.net/~goldcylon/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/duel.gif <= 09 ZR1

[Sihler]

I think anyone is welcome to join or post on this forum, but the discussions in the Zr-1 forums should be limited to the '90-'95 ZR-1's. I have no problem with separate forums on this site for the new Z.

[Pete]

I forsee the future for ZR-1NetRegistry the next CF a corporate run forum.
Soon after say bye bye to the babe section.
The mods can promise it won't happen all they want, CASH speaks louder then mods.

This is the reason i pay my $60 every year to support and keep it saperate.
I can pay nothing with other forums and read about C6 ZR1.
I guess a refund would be on order if this happens.


Pete

[Pete]

The problem is, this forum is not : LT-5 Registry !! :mrgreen:


Yes.it's the ZR-1NetRegistry not the ZR1NetRegistry.

It's all about 32valves not 16.

Pete

[djpatrick35]

Can't we all just get along?! We're (C4 and C6 Z's) all drive Corvettes, and we all represent the pinnacle of the Corvette line! I'll still wave to them, won't you?

So why CAN'T we talk to them on this forum too?!

[Pete]

Can't we all just get along?! We're (C4 and C6 Z's) all drive Corvettes, and we all represent the pinnacle of the Corvette line! I'll still wave to them, won't you?
So why CAN'T we talk to them on this forum too?!

We can all get along just fine,as long as they stay on there side of the street and i'll stay on my side :mrgreen:

Like i said in my previous post love the new Z ,but they can get there own site.i will also add i love all vettes but if i wanna read about a 1967 corvette i will go elsewhere not in a ZR-1 Forum.
The ZR-1Net and the LT5Registry has gone thru h3ll and back to get it to where it is today.

I pay/support it so it doesn't become a corporate run forum like CF.
Once the C6's come in then the C5's, C7's so on.

I notice all the newby members want this :icon_scra

Pete

[HADI-ZR1]

Yes.it's the ZR-1NetRegistry not the ZR1NetRegistry.

It's all about 32valves not 16.

Pete
Pete, I am Hadi ZR1 !!!
i made this before GM took it from me and other !:wink:

[Hammer]

Pete, I am Hadi ZR1 !!!
i made this before GM took it from me and other !:wink:

You just got the dash in the wrong place, that's all.
Hadi-ZR1 should be Hadi ZR-1 :sign10:

[carter200]

I guess a refund would be on order if this happens.
Pete


:sign10: I see that happening :sign10: :sign10: :sign10:

[djpatrick35]

We can all get along just fine,as long as they stay on there side of the street and i'll stay on my side :mrgreen:

Like i said in my previous post love the new Z ,but they can get their own site.i will also add i love all vettes but if i wanna read about a 1967 corvette i will go elsewhere not in a ZR-1 Forum.
The ZR-1Net and the LT5Registry has gone thru h3ll and back to get it to where it is today.

I pay/support it so it doesn't become a corporate run forum like CF.
Once the C6's come in then the C5's, C7's so on.

I notice all the newby members want this :icon_scra

Pete

Sorry to be a newbie, but I just bought my ZR-1 after years of lusting after it and I just want some more opinions and more stuff to talk about. I can understand wanting stuff about the C4 ZR-1 because our cars are rare and unique. Hell, that was the main reason why I migrated here from the CF. But I think that one thing that works about the dastardly CF is the ability to compartmentalize, so why can't we here?

One part C6 Z for them and the rest for us C4 guys. If we all pay (which I'm going to do once I finally go home to get my car's VIN) then the moderators won't have to go corporate. With more paying members, they will have even less of a reason to go corporate.

Also, I don't think a slippery slope argument applies here. Just three Corvettes have ever carried the ZR-1/ZR1 moniker - super rare C3s, our C4s and now C6s. At 2,000 made per year for three model years, the C6s will be just as rare as us. And there are no other Corvettes that carry three characters: Z R 1. No C5s, no C2s, no C1s apply because those cars don't have Z R 1.

-Dan

[Pete]

Dan nothing personal but the guy that started the thread is also a newby.
Dom, if your bored play with the balls i gave you.

The reason i pay is to keep it a ZR-1 forum.

Otherwise we should do a member only section the paying members get a password to the forum.

I would be willing to pay a little more for this and it would keep crap like this out.

If it's more members we want make a Mitsu. EVO section i know a bunch of them we'll get lots of members then.
W.a.C.O.S.

What a crappy phuking thread i got myself into.
Done.
Pete

[XfireZ51]

Dan nothing personal but the guy that started the thread is also a newby.
Dom, if your bored play with the balls i gave you.

The reason i pay is to keep it a ZR-1 forum.

Otherwise we should do a member only section the paying members get a password to the forum.

I would be willing to pay a little more for this and it would keep crap like this out.

If it's more members we want make a Mitsu. EVO section i know a bunch of them we'll get lots of members then.
W.a.C.O.S.

What a crappy phuking thread i got myself into.
Done.
Pete

:sign10:

[Jason 91]

I would like to open this up to the new ZR1, but someone made a point that they may not want to join us. For this reason, I voted open a section and wait and see.

I still wonder how many current ZR-1 owners will by the new ZR1.

Thanks,

Jason

[HIZNHRZ]

I say welcome them into the NetRegistry, welcome them into any and all of our Forums, and set them up with their own if they so desire.

I think what we have in common is GM, Chevrolet, Corvette, and ZR1. We share exclusivity and heritage as the former and reigning KOTH. Because of our common interests, exclusivity and heritage I'm interested in what they have, what they say, and what they think; I believe they will feel the same way.

I could be wrong yet see no down side in finding out. Why not make the offer? I believe we should continue to discuss and debate the topic until everyone believes they have been heard. I trust when a decision is made, any decision by any means, we will stand together.

Flame away...

[HADI-ZR1]

I would be willing to pay a little more for this and it would keep crap like this out.

Pete
heyyy Z factor,
Zr-1 Registry Stock-raising . WOOOOW :p
:pray

[WB9MCW]

My luv affair is with the LT5 and I vote NO!

I would rather see a section for rides with a LT5 in them than have the new ZR1 owners here.

I think a lot of flame wars would result and it would be bad for the forum overall.

With special ZR-1 sections in

CF -- CAC -- DC -- Crossed Flags -- EES -- CV

and maybe even some I missed we have enough just trying to get all the ZR-1folks to be here at the "REAL" home of the KOTH.

Sometimes being small and exclusive has its advantage. I like the fact that we are a small tight knit group here.

Even if we did it I bet they would want their own exclusive forum to hang out at and our section for them would attract just a few and not really be a big hit!

We have always only been about the KOTH and even if a new king is in town I do not really think it will go well. I would sure hate to see existing members get pissed off about it and have us loose the precious ground we have worked so hard to achieve up to this point.

We get other vette owners here all the time now --- So if a 09 ZR1 guy wants to sign up and hop in that is great he will learn all about the ZR-1 and our luv affair with the LT5 and be that much the wiser!

I say we welcome them with open arms just as we do any Corvette owner now but I am very much against the "special area" for them on our forum.

Next thing you know every "special model" vette will want the same and now we have become one of the 'GENERAL' Corvette forums out to please all.

Nuff Said ---

[Pete]

My luv affair is with the LT5 and I vote NO!

I would rather see a section for rides with a LT5 in them than have the new ZR1 owners here.

I think a lot of flame wars would result and it would be bad for the forum overall.

With special ZR-1 sections in

CF -- CAC -- DC -- Crossed Flags -- EES -- CV

and maybe even some I missed we have enough just trying to get all the ZR-1folks to be here at the "REAL" home of the KOTH.

Sometimes being small and exclusive has its advantage. I like the fact that we are a small tight knit group here.

Even if we did it I bet they would want their own exclusive forum to hang out at and our section for them would attract just a few and not really be a big hit!

We have always only been about the KOTH and even if a new king is in town I do not really think it will go well. I would sure hate to see existing members get pissed off about it and have us loose the precious ground we have worked so hard to achieve up to this point.

We get other vette owners here all the time now --- So if a 09 ZR1 guy wants to sign up and hop in that is great he will learn all about the ZR-1 and our luv affair with the LT5 and be that much the wiser!

I say we welcome them with open arms just as we do any Corvette owner now but I am very much against the "special area" for them on our forum.

Next thing you know every "special model" vette will want the same and now we have become one of the 'GENERAL' Corvette forums out to please all.

Nuff Said ---


This is what i meant to say :)

Well said Bryan.:thumbsup:
Hope the Holidays were good for you.
Pete

[rkreigh]

I've thought about this alot and I vote no too for the following reasons

1. logistics, we don't want the added hassle of doing up two sets of shirts, badges, ect.

2. the "new ZR1" as many have mentioned doesn't have the LT5 and is a completely different platform, the c6. the focus of this club is on the c4 ZR-1 the true KOTH and the proud "father" of modern day GM supercars

3. debates between which is better is something I don't want to get in the middle of.


that being said, down the road I WOULD like everyone to consider inviting them to the gathering at BG. that would get the numbers up at the drags and make the event more interesting IMHO. but then again, that is a separate issue and poll.

thanks for doing this and the feedback.

[gbrtng]

As I suggested on the listserv, NO for now. Let's see what they want to do after the no-dash has been around the block for a few years. I'm with Ron.

[djpatrick35]

As I suggested on the listserv, NO for now. Let's see what they want to do after the no-dash has been around the block for a few years. I'm with Ron.

No dash! HA! :mrgreen:

[HADI-ZR1]

our ZR-1 without Dash too !!! http://images.guestbook.onetwomax.de/smilies/046.gif

http://www.wayneswheels.net/ZR1CORVETTE.jpg

http://www.fwcc-in.org/Poster_ZR-1_Corvette.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/hadi-zr1/0zr.jpg

ok,you want more?? here.... :D
http://www.corvettemagazine.com/1999/oct99/zr1/zrp1.jpg

[HADI-ZR1]

again NO DASH but only SLASH..... :D
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/hadi-zr1/01z.gif

ZR1 was truly....
http://www.corvettemagazine.com/1999/dec99/zr1/z1p1.jpg

[XfireZ51]

Thank you, Hadi.

[petefias]

I voted yes and here is the verbage going along with it.

The current ZR-1Net does a wonderful job of preserving the ZR-1 heritage, providing a location where C4 ZR-1 owners can look for help resolving issues, enhancing their cars.

The forum atmosphere is excellent, many members are personal friends (with some entertaining exceptions), it reminds me of a "small college" where you're not just a number.

Over the years I learned a lot and I'm hoping I was able to help a few as well.

I would love to see a separate section for the C6 ZR1 as long as it does not interfere or inhibit the current mission.

Both cars represent the ultimate Corvette experience...

Before action is taken, the logistics should be evaluated (server capacity, bandwidth, moderator availability)...

In either case, I'm hoping the comparison of ZR1's does not become constant bickering and alienation of members.

[Bell Curve]

Voted no[-X , we have nothing in common.

[ZR WON]

Guys:

I said it on the CF, and I'll say it here... For the well-being of the ZR-1 Net Registry, we *must* include the new ZR1(the old ones should be welcome as well, but they are so rare, it's really a non-issue)... I've been around ZR-1s longer than many of you(as the old-timers here can attest). The ZR-1 was my dream car at 16, and I bought one when I was 23 and just out of college. Nothing in my mind, not even this new ZR1, will eclipse what the ZR-1 did for me.

The 1990 ZR-1 inspired me to go on to college, and subsequently achieve success in my profession(just to make the damned payment out of college, I had to succeed;) ). FWIW, my profession is marketing and sales... And I'm telling you guys this: You want the ZR-1 Net Registry Event in Bowling Green to be like it was back in the mid to late 90s?(those were some of the best Corvette events I've *ever* attended). You want several ZR-1 Net Registry meets around the country each year(ala the original ZR-1 Registry/Net)?? *INCLUDE* the new ZR1... Period

Everyone of you who says that the new car isn't the same, etc, are absolutely correct; I do not dispute it. But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES! Our cars share the same nomenclature as the new Super Vette. Even GM(and GM's advertising for the Corvette has faltered in recent years) is playing off our Legendary ZR-1s!!! Imitation is the finest form of flattery.

Further, *someone* with our group(Ron, Dwight?) should contact Chevrolet and figure out a way to have a ZR-1 Net Registry membership included with the purchase of a new ZR1. My Dad still has the '63 he bought new and that purchase included a free year subscription of Corvette News. You know what? Dad has every issue of Corvette News(now Corvette Quarterly) since. Why? It's much easier to have someone renew a membership, than to sign up the first time(human nature).

By linking Our Registry to the new car, it could prove a financial windfall that hasn't been seen since the demise of our beloved ZR-1 in 1995. That would allow us to do more things(such as pay for Jingles to come to BG for the event and not be a financial burden), lobby for better pricing with vendors(more members, more incentives for vendors to give us better price, ie, strength in numbers), etc.

I could go on and on about the positives of this, but anyone who looks at this objectively(and not with your heart, because I do understand those who pound their chest saying "C4 ZR-1s are the real KOTH!" Part of me feels that way too) can't argue with this logic. Regardless of ZR-1 Net Registry being Non Profit, it's still a business. And including the new ZR1 makes business sense.

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
not quite stock

[HADI-ZR1]

Brian,

OK. let them put the Dash and they are welcome! http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[phrogs]

I say NO

This is the ZR-1 forum out registry forum the specifics of it are related to the registry of our ZR-1 to talk about our ZR-1 and not the ZR1 with a Fan connected to it and a Silly *** glass hood.

[John Boothby]

I just picked up a copy of the Feb 08 Road and Track. Guess what was on the cover? You got it, the new ZR1. There were several articles regarding our "Old" ZR-1, and the relationship between the two. While the numbers are different, the tone of the articles parallel the articles from 1989! I really believe that this new Z will bring more attention to our C4 Z's.

[petefias]

Guys:

I said it on the CF, and I'll say it here... For the well-being of the ZR-1 Net Registry, we *must* include the new ZR1(the old ones should be welcome as well, but they are so rare, it's really a non-issue)... I've been around ZR-1s longer than many of you(as the old-timers here can attest). The ZR-1 was my dream car at 16, and I bought one when I was 23 and just out of college. Nothing in my mind, not even this new ZR1, will eclipse what the ZR-1 did for me.

The 1990 ZR-1 inspired me to go on to college, and subsequently achieve success in my profession(just to make the damned payment out of college, I had to succeed;) ). FWIW, my profession is marketing and sales... And I'm telling you guys this: You want the ZR-1 Net Registry Event in Bowling Green to be like it was back in the mid to late 90s?(those were some of the best Corvette events I've *ever* attended). You want several ZR-1 Net Registry meets around the country each year(ala the original ZR-1 Registry/Net)?? *INCLUDE* the new ZR1... Period

Everyone of you who says that the new car isn't the same, etc, are absolutely correct; I do not dispute it. But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES! Our cars share the same nomenclature as the new Super Vette. Even GM(and GM's advertising for the Corvette has faltered in recent years) is playing off our Legendary ZR-1s!!! Imitation is the finest form of flattery.

Further, *someone* with our group(Ron, Dwight?) should contact Chevrolet and figure out a way to have a ZR-1 Net Registry membership included with the purchase of a new ZR1. My Dad still has the '63 he bought new and that purchase included a free year subscription of Corvette News. You know what? Dad has every issue of Corvette News(now Corvette Quarterly) since. Why? It's much easier to have someone renew a membership, than to sign up the first time(human nature).

By linking Our Registry to the new car, it could prove a financial windfall that hasn't been seen since the demise of our beloved ZR-1 in 1995. That would allow us to do more things(such as pay for Jingles to come to BG for the event and not be a financial burden), lobby for better pricing with vendors(more members, more incentives for vendors to give us better price, ie, strength in numbers), etc.

I could go on and on about the positives of this, but anyone who looks at this objectively(and not with your heart, because I do understand those who pound their chest saying "C4 ZR-1s are the real KOTH!" Part of me feels that way too). Regardless of ZR-1 Net Registry being Non Profit, it's still a business. And including the new ZR1 makes business sense.

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
not quite stock

Perfect first post!

[XfireZ51]

Well said Brian. I'll just add that it isn't simply a matter of good business. The 09 is the next iteration of our C4 ZR1. That it doesn't have 4 cams and 32 valves doesn't change the fact GM chose to "honor" it with the KOTH name. Its the way GM decided to do it. Its their car, its their choice and we can't deny it.

[ZR 601]

Guys:

I said it on the CF, and I'll say it here... For the well-being of the ZR-1 Net Registry, we *must* include the new ZR1(the old ones should be welcome as well, but they are so rare, it's really a non-issue)... I've been around ZR-1s longer than many of you(as the old-timers here can attest). The ZR-1 was my dream car at 16, and I bought one when I was 23 and just out of college. Nothing in my mind, not even this new ZR1, will eclipse what the ZR-1 did for me.

The 1990 ZR-1 inspired me to go on to college, and subsequently achieve success in my profession(just to make the damned payment out of college, I had to succeed;) ). FWIW, my profession is marketing and sales... And I'm telling you guys this: You want the ZR-1 Net Registry Event in Bowling Green to be like it was back in the mid to late 90s?(those were some of the best Corvette events I've *ever* attended). You want several ZR-1 Net Registry meets around the country each year(ala the original ZR-1 Registry/Net)?? *INCLUDE* the new ZR1... Period

Everyone of you who says that the new car isn't the same, etc, are absolutely correct; I do not dispute it. But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES! Our cars share the same nomenclature as the new Super Vette. Even GM(and GM's advertising for the Corvette has faltered in recent years) is playing off our Legendary ZR-1s!!! Imitation is the finest form of flattery.

Further, *someone* with our group(Ron, Dwight?) should contact Chevrolet and figure out a way to have a ZR-1 Net Registry membership included with the purchase of a new ZR1. My Dad still has the '63 he bought new and that purchase included a free year subscription of Corvette News. You know what? Dad has every issue of Corvette News(now Corvette Quarterly) since. Why? It's much easier to have someone renew a membership, than to sign up the first time(human nature).

By linking Our Registry to the new car, it could prove a financial windfall that hasn't been seen since the demise of our beloved ZR-1 in 1995. That would allow us to do more things(such as pay for Jingles to come to BG for the event and not be a financial burden), lobby for better pricing with vendors(more members, more incentives for vendors to give us better price, ie, strength in numbers), etc.

I could go on and on about the positives of this, but anyone who looks at this objectively(and not with your heart, because I do understand those who pound their chest saying "C4 ZR-1s are the real KOTH!" Part of me feels that way too) can't argue with this logic. Regardless of ZR-1 Net Registry being Non Profit, it's still a business. And including the new ZR1 makes business sense.

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
not quite stock

=D> Agreed

[Aurora40]

But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES!
Why does any sort of long term vision only have an unhappy ending if it's the LT5 powered cars? Aren't there lots of registries and groups for cars that are no longer being made? Are they all going downhill?

As an example, if there was a registry for the ~300 1953 cars, would you say they should include the 2053 MY car when it comes out, in order to have long-term success? They are both '53s. I realize this example is contrived, but I can't think of a good real-world one. But I'm sure there are groups/organizations/registries of long-discontinued cars. And they keep going without needing to find "new blood" in the way of unrelated current model cars.

As long as there are owners of 1990-1995 ZR-1's who are interested in keeping their cars on the road, there will be a need for the ZR-1 Net Registry. If there comes a point where this isn't true, then who cares if the registry persists because it is propped up by C6 ZR1 owners?

What I mean is, if the registry dies, it will be because there isn't a need for it by LT5/ZR-1 owners. In which case, let it die. I doubt that will happen though.

[ZR WON]

Bob:

I appreciate your thoughts, but we'll have to agree to disagree....

IMHO, some people just aren't thinking objectively, merely looking at it from a personal love of the ZR-1. That's admirable, to a point. The bottom line is: If we aren't accepting of change, we will suffer. This holds true in personal relationships, business, really any part of our lives. If you aren't changing, you are dying! That's a fact!

I can tell this will turn into a urination contest shortly, so I guess if the majority rules to not include(and embrace) the new ZR1, then rest assured, your ending scenario will play out. And to me, that's the greatest travesty of all. A great organization potentially dwindling to nothing due to a refusal to accept change. :cry: :cry:

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
note quite stock

[carter200]

And to me, that's the greatest travesty of all. A great organization potentially dwindling to nothing due to a refusal to accept change. :cry: :cry:

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
note quite stock

You and Hillary :rolleyes: Don't know which ones worse :blahblah:

[ZR WON]

Hey Carter:

I don't believe that I attacked anyone personally in my posts, merely thoughts/opinions. I don't appreciate the personal attack, nor the reference to Hillary...

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
not quite stock

[carter200]

Was just funnin with ya. Guess you can't take a joke so never will again to you.:worship:

[Pete]

Guys:

I said it on the CF, and I'll say it here... For the well-being of the ZR-1 Net Registry, we *must* include the new ZR1(the old ones should be welcome as well, but they are so rare, it's really a non-issue)... I've been around ZR-1s longer than many of you(as the old-timers here can attest). The ZR-1 was my dream car at 16, and I bought one when I was 23 and just out of college. Nothing in my mind, not even this new ZR1, will eclipse what the ZR-1 did for me.

The 1990 ZR-1 inspired me to go on to college, and subsequently achieve success in my profession(just to make the damned payment out of college, I had to succeed;) ). FWIW, my profession is marketing and sales... And I'm telling you guys this: You want the ZR-1 Net Registry Event in Bowling Green to be like it was back in the mid to late 90s?(those were some of the best Corvette events I've *ever* attended). You want several ZR-1 Net Registry meets around the country each year(ala the original ZR-1 Registry/Net)?? *INCLUDE* the new ZR1... Period

Everyone of you who says that the new car isn't the same, etc, are absolutely correct; I do not dispute it. But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES! Our cars share the same nomenclature as the new Super Vette. Even GM(and GM's advertising for the Corvette has faltered in recent years) is playing off our Legendary ZR-1s!!! Imitation is the finest form of flattery.

Further, *someone* with our group(Ron, Dwight?) should contact Chevrolet and figure out a way to have a ZR-1 Net Registry membership included with the purchase of a new ZR1. My Dad still has the '63 he bought new and that purchase included a free year subscription of Corvette News. You know what? Dad has every issue of Corvette News(now Corvette Quarterly) since. Why? It's much easier to have someone renew a membership, than to sign up the first time(human nature).

By linking Our Registry to the new car, it could prove a financial windfall that hasn't been seen since the demise of our beloved ZR-1 in 1995. That would allow us to do more things(such as pay for Jingles to come to BG for the event and not be a financial burden), lobby for better pricing with vendors(more members, more incentives for vendors to give us better price, ie, strength in numbers), etc.

I could go on and on about the positives of this, but anyone who looks at this objectively(and not with your heart, because I do understand those who pound their chest saying "C4 ZR-1s are the real KOTH!" Part of me feels that way too) can't argue with this logic. Regardless of ZR-1 Net Registry being Non Profit, it's still a business. And including the new ZR1 makes business sense.

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
not quite stock


Long term success thought you were smarter then that,the Buick GN's are still going strong.

Financial windfall:rolleyes: this is why we pay to the ZR1NetRegistry.
Remember when most paid and got screwed $50 from LT5Registry (my self included) so if the ZR1NetRegistry needs more money they can raise membership fees and keep it private.
Brian please explain to the newbies why we are called ZR1NetRegistry
you've been around a long time.

Maybe only founding members should have the right to vote on this.

The ZR1NetRegistry is getting better then ever,let's not get too greedy.

Another good reason i don't want the new ZR1 in here it will get a lot of venders/sponsors and become a corporate run forum and the members won't matter anymore just like the other forums.
If the owners of the ZR1NetRegistry need more money they can start a new C6ZR1Forum and charge them a membership fee and get the sponsors over there.

Why would we help GM promote there new ZR1 when they screwed the old ZR-1 owners with bad windshields and left us hanging on parts.

We could always get better vender pricing if we stick togather i have done a lot of research on some parts for our cars that would cost a 1/10 of what they are selling right now but i noticed nobody is/was interested so i gave up.

I'm all in for the new ZR1 to join us at BG gatherings or any ZR-1/Corvette gatherings.

Again the 2 cars have absolutly nothing in common they are gallaxies apart.
Maybe the new ZR1 guys can help us find our 32 pushrods.:)

Pete

[Pete]

Bob:

I appreciate your thoughts, but we'll have to agree to disagree....

IMHO, some people just aren't thinking objectively, merely looking at it from a personal love of the ZR-1. That's admirable, to a point. The bottom line is: If we aren't accepting of change, we will suffer. This holds true in personal relationships, business, really any part of our lives. If you aren't changing, you are dying! That's a fact!

I can tell this will turn into a urination contest shortly, so I guess if the majority rules to not include(and embrace) the new ZR1, then rest assured, your ending scenario will play out. And to me, that's the greatest travesty of all. A great organization potentially dwindling to nothing due to a refusal to accept change. :cry: :cry:

Brian A.
1990 ZR-1
12.09@118
01 Z06
note quite stock

Brian, just read this one and made me chuckle, well you do kind of sound like a politician when you use words like "greatest travesty"
Katrina was a great travesty not a corvette forum going under
or "potentially dwindleling"
Brian, for US Vice President with Hillary as president :)
Brian this one is not a joke i'm for real you got my vote.

Pete

Disclaimer:The above is a joke.

[HADI-ZR1]

Pete ,
I GIVE YOU http://www.123icons.com/freeicons/9756.gifhttp://www.123icons.com/freeicons/9756.gifhttp://www.123icons.com/freeicons/9756.gifhttp://www.123icons.com/freeicons/9756.gifhttp://www.123icons.com/freeicons/9756.gif

for what you post !!

[ZR WON]

Pete:

I can laugh at that, as you were smiling when you typed it...;) You aren't the first who said I should get into politics, and probably not the last...;);) Re: a Corvette Forum going under being the greatest travesty, that was of course embellished to make a point. FWIW, I'm not talking about a new ZR1 section on this forum. I'm talking about including the new ZR1 in all that encompasses being a member of the ZR1Net Registry. You make good points in your argument, but they are not objective, they are based on your feelings(GM screwed us by stopping making parts, etc). Objectively, it makes sense, but then again, if I'm being compared to Hillary, then perhaps I'm also delusional....;)

Brian A

[HADI-ZR1]

Personly , Iam not going to vote for Hilla :wink:
not because she isnt good , but because i am Republican candidate in Kuwait county! :mrgreen:
http://www.crwflags.com/art/miscflags/republican75.gif

[tomtom72]

Okay I'm a noobie....Z owner since 12/04 and for sure don't know anything that the real senior members from the original LT5/ZR-1 Registry are talking about with respect to it's demise....so I'll tend to agree with the thought that the real senior members have voting rights on this. Me I just joined the NetRegistry in 12/04, so I am a noob.

I'll stand corrected in my "yes" vote. After reading this entire thread it seems that we are gonna let them join our Registry??? I thought we were just talking about letting those guys participate here in our forum, and hang with us at our events like BG/gathering and at our tent at Carlisle???

I can't change my "yes" vote but we really don't have anything in common except that we own vettes that have kind of the same name. Our NetRegistry is to help us owners keep our LT5 ZR-1's alive. The C6/ZR1 will never have the same parts issues we will have.....it's a sb chevy.

:cheers:
Tom

[Aurora40]

The bottom line is: If we aren't accepting of change, we will suffer. This holds true in personal relationships, business, really any part of our lives. If you aren't changing, you are dying! That's a fact!
I agree absolutely with this. The registry needs to change with the members' needs.

What you are saying is they should change by changing who their members are, though. In your relationship analogy, that's like me saying I need to change wives, when really what I need to do is change to continue to accomodate my wife.

I don't think it's my love affair with the car clouding my vision, though. I think the registry exists to provide a service to LT5 owners. When the last LT5 is crushed and tossed in a landfill, the continual survival and financial success of the registry isn't a concern anymore. If the registry dies with the car, I don't see why that is a bad thing.

If the goal were simply the survival of the organization, then let's really look at it objectively. Find a group with the highest likelihood of long-term financial success and invite them. Maybe go for cars that are ubiquitous to get the broadest pool of owners, like the ZR-1 / Civic Net Registry. Or go for the group with owners that are the most likely to spend lots of money on an exclusive club, the ZR-1 / Prancing Horse Net Registry or the ZR-1 / Hybrid Car Owners Net Registry.

Like you said though, maybe we will just agree to disagree. I think this is something reasonable people can disagree on. I'll be a member here either way, as long as the registry fills a need I have. :cheers:

[Sihler]

I agree, without forums for the '90-'95 Z's, what would we have? The new Z's will have plenty of support from GM and from other C6 owners.

[petefias]

The argument "GM screwed us" so we should exclude the new ZR1 does not make sense to me.

GM makes business decisions continuously. They are made mostly with a single focus: bottom line. While I'm not too happy about some of the parts availability (and failure to accept responsibility for the substandard windshield) GM isn't trying to find creative ways to annoy the ZR-1 owners in purpose.

GM's priority is to ever improve on their products to remain competitive. They did a marvelous job with the ZR-1 and again with the ZR1. To say that the two don't have anything in common is incorrect. If you think about it you'll find many things in common in fact. GM is targeting the SAME segment of buyers, no doubt.

How cool will be to park a ZR1 next to your ZR-1!

"Im feeling a little verclempt, ill give you a topic, grapenuts, not a grape, not a nut, discuss...."