Are we including new ZR1 on this board? [Archive]

LGAFF

12-28-2007, 12:13 AM

I think we should, builds on the legacy of the car. Also would give us more leverge at events and bring back recognition to the 90-95 cars. I think the fact that GM chose the ZR-1 name based upon the heritage and the fact that it represented the best that GM and corvette had to offer means alot.

Its kind of like a frat house, they're in because they're a legacy.

Frat House is fitting since there are a few of us on double secret probation.......Mr. Jeffvette

LGAFF
92 ZR1
#234

Jeffvette

12-28-2007, 12:34 AM

Frat House is fitting since there are a few of us on double secret probation.......Mr. Jeffvette

Well, I'm beyond double secret probation.

I have heard both arguements for and against, and I see what each side is saying and understand why.

My personal opion is no, as they are really not that special in a unique way. I would love to have one, but it just isn't a 90-95 ZR-1. Just as the 90-95 ZR-1 isn't the same as the 70's ZR1.

LGAFF

12-28-2007, 12:41 AM

How man other vettes came with a factory blower? This is like your best friend naming their son after you and then telling him you won't be their godparent because they may not live up to your expecations........200mph vette...that's special!

This was a special project car as was the 90s Z.

I am not 100% sold on the appearance, don't care for the hood,as it doesn't showcase the engine, and the wheels in chrome I can pass on....but performance wise;)

LGAFF

Aurora40

12-28-2007, 01:08 AM

The only thing in common is the RPO code. There's little to no technical commonality. The forum and community is excellent for helping people out with problems, performance, etc. There would be no cross-over in this sort of thing with the new car.

Other than being fellow 'vette owners, I don't see the point? And there are plenty of forums that cater to all fellow 'vette owners already. My two cents.

Kevin

12-28-2007, 02:27 AM

we don't have any of the C3 cars so why should we have the C6?

Paul Workman

12-28-2007, 06:31 AM

This board is (for all practical purposes) pure C4ZR-1 - a "clearing house" for all things that are C4ZR-1. So, including the new Z will dilute what has been a "pure" forum. But, is that such a big problem? Or is the benefit of joining forces with fellow Z drivers in the name of promoting the Zs weigh more on the plus side than giving up the "pure" forum venue? Would not excluding ourselves - i.e. forcing "them" to their own forum result in further isolation or even obscurity for the C4 Zs?

At the moment I'm leaning toward including the new Z. I'm not at all sure it would be necessary or even beneficial or may be possibly detrimental to not include them. Think of how much fun it will be to swap experiences and learn more about the new "KOH".

Just a thought.:confused:

P.

tomtom72

12-28-2007, 07:58 AM

JMHO but we all would welcome them as vette owners and even maybe a bit more so due to the "RPO code" as Bob expressed.....but we don't have anything else in common except for vette ownership.

As Bob also said, we and they get no technicial benefit from each other....same as us and the LT-1/C3 guys.

Just a thought from the peanut gallery, me:wink: If they all showed up at our door because they felt more kinship here than anywhere else, we would not turn them out into the cold....right?......let's just wait & see what developes.

:cheers:
Tom

HIZNHRZ

12-28-2007, 09:17 AM

Why wouldn't embracing the new ZR1 be good for the NetRegistry?

GrayZ

12-28-2007, 09:37 AM

I'm not very smart as many of you can attest, BUT!?
that being said,
I would think allowing all NEW ZR1 owners to join our registry
would be a great thing.
Give them their own section, to talk about their cars.
but include them in our gathering events, which could help offset
costs on track rentals, and improve participation. the more the merrier.
It would allow us to meet some new people, and i'm sure many of you will
buy one. We had discussed allowing the z06 owners to attend our gathering, to increase above mentioned statement.
Last year, i LOVED having the, skunks, callaways, attend. I met some fun
corvette people. Got to see some really cool cars. After all, its about
the people. oops...sorry just fell off my soapbox.
have a nice day.

va beach biker

12-28-2007, 10:27 AM

What about guys with C3 ZR-1s? If you want to get technical, thats where the whole RPO code started.

Just playing devil's advocate.

GrayZ

12-28-2007, 10:33 AM

What about guys with C3 ZR-1s? If you want to get technical, thats where the whole RPO code started.

Just playing devil's advocate.

sure, why not? if any of the owners
are still able to drive. :mrgreen:
I used to have a C3, albeit not a zr1.
I'd love to see them in Bowling Green.
They are after all, everyone of them.... "Corvettes"

LGAFF

12-28-2007, 10:35 AM

As far as the C3s go, there were only 28 of them produced total, correct?

LGAFF
ZR-1
92 #234

blackjack

12-28-2007, 10:37 AM

GrayZ

12-28-2007, 10:40 AM

maybe we should address the question differently: will THEY want to join us ??
as tomtom said,theres not much info for them here,and we wont be able to help them with parts and tips...i guess thats why we dont include the c3 zr-1
bj
91/1735

Well, since it's a new car, Of course there is no info here. but.
It could be a gathering place for them to exchange information,
just like we do. In their own section. As they go, some will learn more than
others, and would have a forum to share that information.
JMHO

XfireZ51

12-28-2007, 11:21 AM

Its clear that GM meant to pass on the KOTH mantle to the new ZR1. I think this indicates GM believes the ZR1 moniker belongs to the Corvette representing the ultimate expression of Generous Mother's
engineering capabilities. That's what the C4 ZR was about in 1990 and that's what the C6 ZR is about 18years later. My goodness I would hope there would be some difference between the 2 cars over all that time.
With all that said, it stands to reason that we should at least have a separate section and registry for the new ZR. The lineage is clear. If we don't do it here, I'm sure IB will do it. :thumbsdo:

Sgreg

12-28-2007, 11:55 AM

Well, I'm beyond double secret probation.

I have heard both arguements for and against, and I see what each side is saying and understand why.

My personal opion is no, as they are really not that special in a unique way. I would love to have one, but it just isn't a 90-95 ZR-1. Just as the 90-95 ZR-1 isn't the same as the 70's ZR1.

Jeff-

Couldn't agree more !!!!!! :thumbsdo:

va beach biker

12-28-2007, 12:20 PM

You know some rich 'Vette junkie somewhere will have 1 of all 3 generations parked in his garage eventully.

HADI-ZR1

12-28-2007, 12:27 PM

I know i dislike the new Zr1 and not intersted, but
Don't turn your back to our ZR1 grandson !! :mrgreen:

Bell Curve

12-28-2007, 12:39 PM

HADI-ZR1

12-28-2007, 01:01 PM

Since this is Zr1 forum and not ZR1 C4 , i dont see any reason to discard new Zr1 car. BUT at this time its to early, we should wait ,
and when the new Zr1 owners request to join Zr1 Forum, then Z factor can deside to put new section for them !

when our C4 Zr1 , it came different from L98 C4 , from Door to A$$ it was wider and square tail lights!! and Different engine platform.:wink:

So the Normal C4 owners try to fake the Zr1 ,since then GM itself fake the Zr1 in 1991 by using rear Zr1 style in late C4 production (91-96)!!

but now, we saw That new Zr1 fake C6Z06 , :icon_scra
is it wider?? NO !
is it different engine? NO !.
so I dont see any reason that C6Z06 owners going to fake new Zr1 , cuz it hasnt got anything makes it unique !! :hello:

HADI-ZR1

12-28-2007, 01:14 PM

They will not want to hang with older corvettes like ours. I can just see it now when someone asks them which zr1, do you own. They will say the new one and that you cant compare the two.

I say :thumbsdo:
As i told you , if there will be lots of New C6 Zr1 group request to join this Zr1 net , then the moderator can deside ! :confused:

Jeffvette

12-28-2007, 01:17 PM

I would think allowing all NEW ZR1 owners to join our registry
would be a great thing.
Give them their own section, to talk about their cars.
but include them in our gathering events, which could help offset
costs on track rentals, and improve participation. the more the merrier.

How many do you realisitically think will bial on the CF and DC sites to post here, with little to no knowledge on those cars existing on this site other than pure speculation. We can barely get a regular crowd of 15 to keep posting over here.

cuisinartvette

12-28-2007, 03:35 PM

I agree, the majoity of new ZR1 owners will stay at CF, more than likely they will get their own section anyway. All the LS based stuff is over there and on the LS1 tech boards so I dont see this becoming an issue.

HADI-ZR1

12-28-2007, 04:34 PM

32valvZ

12-28-2007, 11:55 PM

Being a new member here & to the ZR1, I realize my opinion wont have much bearing, but overall, I say no. I think the ZR1 is a legendary car/engine package. The efforts, trials & tribulations that belong to the legacy are what made it a legacy today. A living legend if you will.

Lets see the new ZR1 set some new records and check its performance longevity. Just because its labeled a ZR1, doesnt automatically make it a legend. Thats something to be earned & that only time will tell.
just my .02

XfireZ51

12-28-2007, 11:56 PM

How many do you realisitically think will bial on the CF and DC sites to post here, with little to no knowledge on those cars existing on this site other than pure speculation. We can barely get a regular crowd of 15 to keep posting over here.

Jeff,

We can speculate. If we think like this, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I suggest we give it a shot.

RiceEatingZR1

12-29-2007, 12:42 AM

I say we bring it on over and promote promote promote =D> =D> =D>

Jeffvette

12-29-2007, 01:18 AM

One other thing guys. Most of the buyers of this car will not even know about the previous two ZR-1's In the C5 and C6 generation, there have been so many first time buyers it's not funny. And the sad part is, they have no clue or thought process about there being a Corvette prior to 1997 and what it may look like.

This car will receive more support from GM, as the engine is nothing special, other than a blower on top. It's a beefed up LS3. GM techs will require no special training to work on these cars.

Rex Ruby

12-29-2007, 08:36 AM

I think we should take the bull by the horns and add sections for the new ZR1. If this registry doesn't someone will start a C6 ZR1 registry. You guys are rough on the new ZR1. It is special, it has a great name. It has a super performance engine. It looks (slightly) different than a regular C6. Sometimes some ZR1 owners can be such snobs and here I find it hard to believe those would turn their back on our cars grandson! From a business stand point it would bring more revenue in and bring more attendance to events. Most important (IMHO) the new ZR1 is going to renew interest in the C4 ZR1. And although low on numbers we should have a C3 Zr1 section along with historical info on that ZR1. If we don't change with the time we will be left behind. There's always bitching here that no one uses this forum and here some are not wanting to include more potential users.

One other thing guys. Most of the buyers of this car will not even know about the previous two ZR-1's In the C5 and C6 generation, there have been so many first time buyers it's not funny. And the sad part is, they have no clue or thought process about there being a Corvette prior to 1997 and what it may look like.

This car will receive more support from GM, as the engine is nothing special, other than a blower on top. It's a beefed up LS3. GM techs will require no special training to work on these cars.

As the "elders" it's our responsibility to teach and in form them. So what the new one will get more support from GM, I sure would hope so! So what no special training is needed to work on them, that's a good thing. Seems like that pisses you off because our motors needed specially trained techs.

The ZR1 old, older, or new is a special model of our beloved american sports car. I say we include all or risk being know as small group of C4 snobs with nothing to really be a snob about.

tomtom72

12-29-2007, 08:42 AM

I don't mean to speak out of class, & I'm not trying to be a troll. :o

I came to this hobby back in 1977. I knew what a vette was, but that's about it. I bought a 72 LT-1 used....or more correctly, an abused LT-1. I had to put the car back together & your sources were people you knew who had been there & done that, or people that they knew & hooked ya up with.

My point is that eventually I learned exactly what I had bought & what it was intended to represent, a hard core car. I sold it & 25 yrs later wanted to come back to the hobby. I was intent upon having another special vette....I know, what a snob!:mrgreen:

I guess what I'm trying to say, lamely, is that eventually some of the noobies do learn just what it is that they bought into if they buy a "special" vette. The next thing that they're gonna do is look for a place where their "kind" hang out. Then they really "learn" just what they bought into.....they become like us... because some one passed on the knowledge of the history of what they own. I know this could be dumb thinking, but look at us....we are not all the ZR-1 owners in the world....and we keep the history alive & pass it on to any new owners that drop in and stay.

:cheers:
Tom

I'm sorry for this almost duplicate post.....Rex said it better!

RedSled

12-29-2007, 10:44 AM

I'm actually on the side of adding a new ZR1 section. In the long run, I think it is the right call and the new car and owners will bring interest in ours. Just my two cents...

- Keith '90 Red/Red #1383

Hammer

12-29-2007, 10:58 AM

Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until there are actually owners of the new ZR1 and see if they are even slightly interested in coming here. Just my 2 cents.

Jeffvette

12-29-2007, 12:35 PM

As the "elders" it's our responsibility to teach and in form them. So what the new one will get more support from GM, I sure would hope so! So what no special training is needed to work on them, that's a good thing. Seems like that pisses you off because our motors needed specially trained techs.

The ZR1 old, older, or new is a special model of our beloved american sports car. I say we include all or risk being know as small group of C4 snobs with nothing to really be a snob about.

The ZR-1 registry was formed for owners who were not getting help on their cars and as a way for them to communicate and swap tech info and stories in general. And no it does not piss me off. Not sure how my post conveyed that.

XfireZ51

12-29-2007, 02:32 PM

I'm glad to see we're having a lively discussion on this.
As to your point Jeff, I frequent 3rd Gen quite a bit. That's a website devoted to 3rd Gen F Body primarily although you'll see sections on LS motors as well. Here we have ZR-1 Registry. Up until now our cars have been largely forgotten, but I think GM has decided to re-invigorate the moniker with this new 09 Vette. Why wouldn't we consider it the successor to our cars? I wouldn't make this simply a comparison of motors. The rest of the ZR1 is pretty darn sophisticated. Carbon Ceramic Brakes, suspension, dry sump, carbon fiber body panels, fluid coolers, magnesium/aluminum frame. Come on, we'd kill for this stuff. :notworthy

Aurora40

12-29-2007, 03:41 PM

Why is it snobbish to think there isn't much in common between the cars? I don't have anything against the new ZR1, it looks to be pretty badass. I just don't see how there's any real overlap in the new Z and ours.

If we just want to include other 'vettes to get more numbers, why not include all C4's too? They at least have some technical stuff in common. Increasing membership seems like a poor reason to me. It's not like this is a for-profit business. If it's about gatherings/events, well the Registry teamed up with the GS and Callaway guys just fine without having to have them join up here.

Doesn't the "registry" part of the Net Reg come from the LT5 registry? If GM ever slaps that on something again, will we invite the owners of whatever that is (some diesel hybrid econo car probably)?

HIZNHRZ

12-29-2007, 04:26 PM

I'll be the first to admit, I see thinks differently than most. But, think about the first time you pull up to a light and there is a new ZR1 sitting there. (Yea I know, it's no likely to happen for a while.) I understand the technology is different but aren't you going to look at the car and think, "man, look where we've come". I'm thinking the guy in the new ZR1 is going to think, "so that's where it started". We share a name and brand; what they do will reflect on us. What we do will reflect on them. They are the new superstar; as far as I see it we're both part of the same team.

george henry

12-29-2007, 04:44 PM

When I bought my Z I didn't know what a ZR1 was or why it was special. It was in a lot with a bunch of other Vettes. I have since learned much and the registry has been very helpfull. The ZR1 name has now been continued on the latest ultimate Vette. We should be glad as this raises the name recognition of our own ultimate Vettes to continue the legacy. The C4 Z is unique in it's own way as the C6 Z will be. We should not feel threatened by the new one. We can be one big happy family. We can be an all inclusive ZR1 site.

HADI-ZR1

12-29-2007, 05:10 PM

Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until there are actually owners of the new ZR1 and see if they are even slightly interested in coming here. Just my 2 cents.
john,
This is exactly what i said, they must be at least more than 20 owners, and they should request to join this Zr1 net .
P.S. i hhink it will be good idea to making VOTE and we decide if they can join and do Section for them ! am i right?:icon_scra

BTW. I am so sure there will some going to fight over here if New Zr1 owners join,
there will be misunderstanding, we will bring war here!!
this ys from my Experience over CF :mrgreen:
so i warn you guys...

XfireZ51

12-29-2007, 10:39 PM

Jason 91

12-29-2007, 10:56 PM

That's an acknowledgment to our cars for sure! :thumbsup:

Jason

djpatrick35

12-30-2007, 03:07 AM

As a new member, I still think that we should include our "younger brothers." I figure that the more King of the Hill posters, the better!

Rex Ruby

01-02-2008, 09:59 AM

Someone had already registered www.C6ZR1.com.
If we don't add the new ZR1 they will have their own board.
Years ago there were 2 Chrysler 300 forums, one embraced the new 300 the other did not. The forum that embraced the new 300 is still alive, the one that didn't died.

Now saying we would die if we don't do this but again I think it's the way to go.

I know this was created to fill a void of support for C4ZR1s.
But time changes things and we have to change with the times.

Inviting all C4 for the numbers would not be a good idea.

Sgreg

01-02-2008, 10:43 AM

Someone had already registered www.C6ZR1.com (http://www.C6ZR1.com).
If we don't add the new ZR1 they will have their own board.
Years ago there were 2 Chrysler 300 forums, one embraced the new 300 the other did not. The forum that embraced the new 300 is still alive, the one that didn't died.

Now saying we would die if we don't do this but again I think it's the way to go.

I know this was created to fill a void of support for C4ZR1s.
But time changes things and we have to change with the times.

Inviting all C4 for the numbers would not be a good idea.

Rex- The new ZR1 needs a board of its own !!!! The only thing we share with the new ZR1 is a name. No technology is shared. What are we going to talk about ?????????????????

Rex Ruby

01-02-2008, 11:05 AM

Rex- The new ZR1 needs a board of its own !!!! The only thing we share with the new ZR1 is a name. No technology is shared. What are we going to talk about ?????????????????

Sorry but I don't agree, I think they should have an area here. It's an opportunity for more members and revenue. If it were to happen maybe events at the museum would have enough attendance to be a ZR1 only event.

Over at CF I rarely go into any section other than C4, which would be the case for most here, you would mostly go into your area of interest.

I think we share more than a name:
Passion for fast corvettes
Passion for the best of Corvettes

Nick

01-02-2008, 11:28 AM

Many good points here. I think we should go ahead and create a new "ZR1" section, but honestly, given that the only things in common between the 1990-1995 ZR-1' and the 2009-? ZR1's is the name, the new ZR1 owners are not going to be interested in joining our club unless, of course, they are "old" ZR-1 owners too. Create the section, invite them to join, and see what happens.

95ZR1

01-02-2008, 12:23 PM

Nick, I think you've got the right idea. I just wonder what would motivate a C6 ZR1 owner to come here.

Sgreg

01-02-2008, 12:37 PM

Nick, I think you've got the right idea. I just wonder what would motivate a C6 ZR1 owner to come here.

Exactly. They won't want to join us unless they are also ZR-1 owners. I am not sure why we are so presumptuous to think they will join or will be hurt if we don't invite them. If you think we are snobs, wait to you see the cats who shell out $100K ++ !!!!!!! :mrgreen:

carter200

01-02-2008, 12:44 PM

Come on guys. GM says the LS9 is the successor to our LT5.

"The King has returned... Long Live the King...Announcing the NEW Corvette ZR1"
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/zr1/?seo=goo_zr

Oh Yea, some successor:icon_scra we have NO pushrods, We have NO plastic covering our motors, We HAVE 4 cams, We HAVE better body styles, We HAVE a dash in our name ...... Let them have their own site not ours[-X

GOLDCYLON

01-02-2008, 01:51 PM

carter200

01-02-2008, 01:54 PM

Dont be a hater :mrgreen:

I'm a lover NOT a fighter. Gave that up years ago:wink:

XfireZ51

01-02-2008, 03:27 PM

Exactly. They won't want to join us unless they are also ZR-1 owners. I am not sure why we are so presumptuous to think they will join or will be hurt if we don't invite them.

Nobody is suggesting they would be hurt. According to GM, the manufacturer no less, the ZR1 is the next generation of KOTH Corvettes.
That's why it belongs on this forum, IMO.

If you think we are snobs, wait to you see the cats who shell out $100K ++ !!!!!!! :mrgreen:

I seem to remember quite a few buyers of the C4 ZR-1 spent 100k+ and that was in 1990 DOLLARS.

djpatrick35

01-02-2008, 03:42 PM

I seem to remember quite a few buyers of the C4 ZR-1 spent 100k+ and that was in 1990 DOLLARS.

Absolutely. Beyond that, we need to remember that our cars' sticker prices equaled about $91,000 in today's dollars. With the crazy dealer markups, it would easily surpass $100 grand - just like the new ZR1!

We should invite our new ZR1 brothers with open arms (even though they have that god awful engine cover!) :wink:

Sgreg

01-02-2008, 10:05 PM

Yeah, we ought to help GM support the ZR1; afterall, look at all they have done to keep our cars running !!!!!!!??????? :censored:

XfireZ51

01-02-2008, 10:08 PM

Yeah, we ought to help GM support the ZR1; afterall, look at all they have done to keep our cars running !!!!!!!??????? :censored:

Without GM and guys like Dave McClellan, you wouldn't have one now.

Sgreg

01-02-2008, 10:22 PM

Without GM and guys like Dave McClellan, you wouldn't have one now.

I give up, don't shoot !! I hope your GM stock goes up in 2008.

XfireZ51

01-02-2008, 10:26 PM

I give up, don't shoot !! I hope your GM stock goes up in 2008. =D>

Now that's funny!:sign10: :cheers:

95ZR1

01-03-2008, 07:10 PM

All,

Is this board going to be the de facto forum for the new ZR1? If so, what are we doing to promote this? :handshak:

That decision is not up to anyone on this board.

Hammer

01-03-2008, 07:35 PM

That decision is not up to anyone on this board.

Who's decision is it?

treeZR1

01-03-2008, 11:41 PM

Oh Yea, some successor:icon_scra we have NO pushrods, We have NO plastic covering our motors, We HAVE 4 cams, We HAVE better body styles, We HAVE a dash in our name ...... Let them have their own site not ours[-Xso do we need a "ZR-1/lt5" forum and a "ZR1/ls9" forum? The way I see it we bought our cars because they were the best of the best. I bought my car because right off the showroom floor it would smoke anything out there. Our cars were and still are a force to be reconned with. The current ZR is the same. I may be wrong but I do beleive that the ZR stands for Zora Racer (I know some say it's not proven) but if it is, the old , the mid, and the new is what Zora Duntov wanted of our beloved vettes