Thou shalt not edit!

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

The response from a member should not have been deleted, nor the thread closed.

This has to stop.

His response, which I read before it was deleted, did not involve any system related problem, but rather it detailed the actual editing of a members post.

There was no valid reason to delete it or to close the thread.

Again, Enough.

Respectfully,
DRM500RUBYZR-1

Re: Post Editing by Board Members
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Originally Posted by Corvette95 View Post
We (I) have had a problem recently as well on the ZR1Registry Facebook page with my post getting erroneously fact checked with wrong information. Heavy handed admin can go too far.
Making vague claims without anything to reference isn't helpful. If you are having an issue with your posts on the Registry Facebook Group, please PM me with links to those posts, point out the specific issue, and I work with you on it.

Please remember, Facebook is owned and run by Meta, not us. The Registry is rather limited on what we can do. This is one of the many reasons why we need to steer any technical discussions to the Forum.
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1990 ZR-1 #299, Bright Red/Red
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[WARP TEN]

I have not experienced this but I certainly agree. No editing by anyone expect the original poster except for violations of forum rules. If a forum moderator or admin person has an issue with a post, it is incumbent upon them to contact the poster directly and discuss it. Do not edit or remove posts without consent or very good reason and, in that case, with an explanation. If you feel as a moderator that a thread is going far off topic you can just close the thread--with explanation--as they do occasionally on the Mid Engine Corvette Forum. This post deletion problem happened to me several years ago on the Corvette Forum. I had posted a question about vendor pricing in a thread and my innocuous question was removed and I was reprimanded for asking it. Apparently in the same thread a number of folks had asked the same question, but an irritated moderator deleted them all (so of course I didn't know it was a problem) and reprimanded everyone for not knowing some obscure rule about vendor pricing. After a terse messaging discussion with one of the moderators, I informed him I would never go back there and I have not. I would hate to have to give up the ZR-1 group after forty years of involvement. --Bob

[ZBrink]

Everyone, please take a step back and take a breath. This Forum is supposed to be a place where we can help one another with our ZR-1s. However lately a lot of negativity is being thrown around that is not in anyway helpful. For a non-retiree, I have made myself more than available privately via PM, email, and phone to discuss your issues and grievances. Many of you have chosen not to engage with me yet continue to sling negativity in the open Forum.

I have directly asked for help with this Forum and many of those throwing out negativity have ignored those requests. If you are a Registry Member with enough time on your hands to complain and be overtly negative in an open forum, then you have enough time to help us with the Forum in a positive manner.

I understand many of you have been around a long time and have contributed a lot to the community over the years. Your contributions are much appreciated and recognized by newer members such as myself. However, those past contributions do not give you free reign to be overtly negative and unhelpful today.

In addition, if you choose to make posts which are overtly negative, spin topics out of control, or if you edit your posts multiple times over in order to manipulate the conversation, Moderators may close those threads and your posts within those threads may be deleted.

If you have an issue with any of this, please PM or email me with your phone number and I will call you to discuss. I care about this community and would appreciate your support.

[ZBrink]

I was editing a technical post in that thread as the thread was closed....I was editing at 5:00 am lol....lol...

I would prefer my posts just get deleted rather than closed in the middle of editing 😜😜😜

Maybe the thread can be opened for a few minutes so I can complete my editing or delete my post 👍👍👍

It was not myself in the subject post but just got caught up in the middle editing a somewhat unrelated post in the same thread.

We have gone full circle .....now board members can edit our posts and we cannot edit our own posts 😁😁😁😁

But......apparently we can now include more than 10 images in each post 👍👍
There are 12 images in this post......

Cliff, I responded to that post, stated that I believed we had a misunderstanding/miscommunication and stated I would call you this week to which you then responded, "No need to call....everything is fine". I thought that matter was 'closed'.

Yet for the past several days, you have continued to edit your posts in that thread multiple times over which has dramatically changed the messaging and had got other members needlessly riled up.

Based on your continued edits and posts regarding this matter, it would seem that everything is not fine as far as you are concerned. My offer for a phone call still stands.

[WARP TEN]

Everyone, please take a step back and take a breath. This Forum is supposed to be a place where we can help one another with our ZR-1s. However lately a lot of negativity is being thrown around that is not in anyway helpful. For a non-retiree, I have made myself more than available privately via PM, email, and phone to discuss your issues and grievances. Many of you have chosen not to engage with me yet continue to sling negativity in the open Forum.

I have directly asked for help with this Forum and many of you throwing out negativity have ignored those requests. If you enough time on your hands to complain and be overtly negative in an open forum, then you have enough time to help us with the Forum in a positive manner.

I understand many of you have been around a long time and have contributed a lot to the community over the years. Your contributions are much appreciated and recognized by newer members such as myself. However, those past contributions do not give you free reign to be overtly negative and unhelpful today.

In addition, if you choose to make posts which are overtly negative, spin topic out of control, or if you edit your posts multiple times over in order to manipulate the conversation, those threads will be closed and your posts may be deleted.

If you have an issue with any of this, PM or email me with your phone number and I will call you on the phone.


Zack, we appreciate all the work you are doing, but that is the wrong answer. Why not just respond directly to the issues raised by Marty and Dynomite? As Marty noted, In all the years I have been on this forum, I really don't remember many, if any, posts which were so bad they were deleted or edited by a moderator. I don't know what post to which Marty is referring (because it was deleted) but, as Marty noted:

The response from a member should not have been deleted, nor the thread closed.

This has to stop.

His response, which I read before it was deleted, did not involve any system related problem, but rather it detailed the actual editing of a members post.

There was no valid reason to delete it or to close the thread.

If that is the case, as Marty says, why not just reinstate the deleted post? And certainly it deserves a proper mature response.All of us here have a very high level of respect for Marty and he deserves a direct explanation as to what you are doing in this case. And while I am sure everyone appreciates your offer to talk on the phone, I suspect for many of us (certainly me) a phone call is not always convenient and discussing things here on the forum should work fine and make sure everything is out in the open as befitting this group. --Bob

[ZBrink]

Zack, we appreciate all the work you are doing, but that is the wrong answer. Why not just respond directly to the issues raised by Marty and Dynomite? As Marty noted, In all the years I have been on this forum, I really don't remember many, if any, posts which were so bad they were deleted or edited by a moderator. I don't know what post to which Marty is referring (because it was deleted) but, as Marty noted:

The response from a member should not have been deleted, nor the thread closed.

This has to stop.

His response, which I read before it was deleted, did not involve any system related problem, but rather it detailed the actual editing of a members post.

There was no valid reason to delete it or to close the thread.

If that is the case, as Marty says, why not just reinstate the deleted post? And certainly it deserves a proper mature response.All of us here have a very high level of respect for Marty and he deserves a direct explanation as to what you are doing in this case. And while I am sure everyone appreciates your offer to talk on the phone, I suspect for many of us (certainly me) a phone call is not always convenient and discussing things here on the forum should work fine and make sure everything is out in the open as befitting this group. --Bob

The post which was deleted did not even involve Marty. The post which was deleted not only contained information that was not true, it added fuel to a fire that shouldn't have been burning in the first place.

Frankly, the creation and continuation of this thread is exactly the negativity and unhelpfulness I am talking about. None of it is in anyway related to helping one another with our ZR-1s and none of it is helping to improve the content of this Forum.

If a new person was to join our Forum in the past week or so, the majority of what they would see up top is negativity from about 5 Members when we have over 500. That's not a fair representation of our community or a good look.

I'll say it again, if any one person has enough time on their hands to complain and be overtly negative in an open forum, then that person has enough time to help us with the Forum in a positive manner. It's a choice, plain and simple.

In regards to phone calls, it takes far longer to go back and forth in a text based forum, chat, etc than it does to have a phone conversation. If someone has the time to chat back and forth, then they should have the time for a phone conversation.

Additionally, I admitted to my technical mistake this past week which temporarily "broke" some of the Forum's functionality for all users and Registry Members. No one was singled out and it was absolutely not intentional, it was a technical error I made when working in the back end. In the end however, we were able to improve some of the technical functions of the Forum for Registry Members. More tangible improvements are to come.

[efnfast]

NO, don't go.

[ScottZ95ZR1]

Thread linked below is another example of post-editing that should not occur.

George knew where his car for sale is located.... the "help" is not always helpful.

https://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35716

[Dynomite]

Everyone, please take a step back and take a breath.

If you choose to make posts which are overtly negative, spin topic out of control, or if you edit your posts multiple times over in order to manipulate the conversation, those threads will be closed and your posts may be deleted.



I guess this is myself ZBrink is talking about......but I have no clue what he means by "spin topic out of control" or "manipulate the conversation".....

Maybe if he can please explain to one of you so it can be explained to me.....sounds like ZBrink is talking about my effort to explain the technology involving the Serpentine Belt Tensioner for the ZR1/LT5 LT5 Belt Tensioners (https://www.zr1.net/forum/showpost.php?p=346695&postcount=45)

I happened to have both ZR1/LT5 and L98 Belt Tensioners on the bench and do know how to install either of them and set them up on their respective LT5 or L98 Engines....:thumbsup:

I do know which way they rotate on the LT5 and L98 engines LT5 Belt Tensioners (https://www.zr1.net/forum/showpost.php?p=346695&postcount=45) 😁😁

I do not and never have "spun topics out of control" or "manipulated conversations".......at least no one out of nearly 500,000 guys and gals on the other Forum who have viewed my Technical information Sticky on that Forum have ever complained about anything including Spun Topics or Manipulations 👍
LT5 Modifications/Rebuild Tricks (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-zr-1-discussion/3005470-tech-info-lt5-modifications-rebuild-tricks-500-hp.html)

Ole ZBrink should prolly stay out of corvette technical discussions 😁😁
And Definitely Ole ZBrink should quit editing the Technical Discussions of others 👍

And....Quit with the threats of Post Closures or Post Deletions......Just do it (Delete the Post that is offensive) as I have suggested many times before.......
I will get the message which I have also said before :cheers:

Anything in underlined red is a Clickable Link :thumbsup:

[Dynomite]

NO, don't go.

I could/might be banned on this Forum.....

That is no big deal with me 👍

[efnfast]

Big deal to the rest of us. Something stinks here.

[A26B]

I could/might be banned on this Forum.....

That is no big deal with me 👍

Nah..... You are not banned..:flag:

[ZBrink]

Thread linked below is another example of post-editing that should not occur.

George knew where his car for sale is located.... the "help" is not always helpful.

https://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35716

This was a pure mistake on my part and one I apologized to George for. I had opened numerous tabs to edit cars 'For Sale' which I had personally posted from FB and CL and inadvertently grabbed his by mistake.

[ZBrink]

I could/might be banned on this Forum.....

That is no big deal with me 👍

Cliff, you are not getting banned. You are valued member of not only this Forum, but the C4 ZR-1 community. As I've told you privately, your contributions have been tremendous and are sincerely appreciated. I want to help ensure your hard work is preserved so that it may "live on" and continue to help both current and future ZR-1 owners for decades to come. :thumbsup:

[ZBrink]

The response from a member should not have been deleted, nor the thread closed.

This has to stop.

His response, which I read before it was deleted, did not involve any system related problem, but rather it detailed the actual editing of a members post.

There was no valid reason to delete it or to close the thread.

Again, Enough.

Respectfully,
DRM500RUBYZR-1

Re: Post Editing by Board Members
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corvette95 View Post
We (I) have had a problem recently as well on the ZR1Registry Facebook page with my post getting erroneously fact checked with wrong information. Heavy handed admin can go too far.
Making vague claims without anything to reference isn't helpful. If you are having an issue with your posts on the Registry Facebook Group, please PM me with links to those posts, point out the specific issue, and I work with you on it.

Please remember, Facebook is owned and run by Meta, not us. The Registry is rather limited on what we can do. This is one of the many reasons why we need to steer any technical discussions to the Forum.
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Marty, as I stated in a previous response within this thread, the post which was deleted not only contained information that was not true, it added fuel to a fire that shouldn't have been burning in the first place. Other users and Members were reading that message out of context, taking the misinformation as fact, and commenting with additional negativity that was counter to anything positive for our community.

Forum Rule #4 contains the following, "Posts may not attack other members". If a Forum user intentionally states something which is not true about another Forum user, it may be considered an attack and Moderators may delete those posts as seen fit.

I have PM'ed both you and Bob with my phone number and have asked for a phone call to not only "clear the air" but to get to know the two of you. Both of you are valued members of our community. Not only do I care for these cars, but I care greatly about our community and will make the time and effort to help foster positive relationships.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

All,
I have no animus towards anyone on of this Forum, or anywhere else for that matter.

I am convinced the vast bulk of our frustrations were due to systems issues not any personal ones.

As I often have heard, "to make mayonnaise, you have to break some eggs"

Zack has certainly devoted many, many hours in an effort to improve our Forum, and his work has and will payoff.

I thank him for that!

I remain strong in my belief that no thread should be edited by anyone other than the author.

However, it is within the moderator's purview, to delete a post for valid reasons. Such action should be wielded with restraint and perhaps leaving the questionable post stand, but with an added response and or warning of the danger of thin ice. The latter keeps all transparent to the membership so that all may understand what occurred, and likely agree with the decision.

I regret that on occasion in the past, I too have found myself on such ice.

I will end with a copy of my response last week on the other Forum to the concern that our Registry was in danger.

I stand by the statement.

Perhaps now it is best that this thread be closed.

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Posts were experiencing problems, including mine.
All caused by a new spam blocker that was activated to quell numerous intrusions, but ended up interfering with valid posts as well.
Clearly the problem had lasted about 2 days as there were no new posts anywhere on the forum.
So it was nothing personal towards anyone.
That said, yes there has been a noticeable decline of posting activity.
It would also appear that the energy level of the "doers" has diminished as well. Sad, but understandable, as folks have lives.
Not sure where things are headed, but it is too good to give up on.
I hesitated joining an online group all those years ago, but came to find it a very valuable source of information.
Suggest all continue to remain engaged, and if you have time or expertise, offer it up.
All groups experience the waning and waxing that has been observed with the Registry, it simply happens.
However, absent either of these two forum groups, ZR-1 ownership would become more challenging for most all, and that would be regrettable.
Fraternally,

Marty

[WARP TEN]

Well said Marty. I concur. Time to close this thread--but not delete it--and get on with our lives and interests and with improving the site. Zack is clearly doing a lot of good work; keep it up. Looking forward to an updated forum site in the near future. --Bob