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tpepmeie
10-26-2021, 04:42 PM
Well, I know Dom started a thread on this already, but I am blown away by what GM has done with the LT6. To get 670 bhp from 5.5L is astonishing. Flat plane crank, as has long been known. But, mechanical valvetrain with what appear to be finger followers. Valve sizes and cam specs not disclosed. Bore is 104.25mm, or approx 4.100". Stroke must therefore be in the range of 80.5mm (3.170") for 5.5L.

For comparison, i've calculated the hp/liter, and the BMEP at the rated peak power and peak power engine speed for a handful of the highest hp N/A engines.

LT6....121.9 hp/L....12.98 bar BMEP at 8400 rpm
Ferrari 458 Speciale.... 132.8 hp/L....13.20 bar BMEP at 9000 rpm *** Highest specific output N/A engine***

458 Italia....125 hp/L....12.43 bar BMEP at 9000 rpm
Porsche GT3 RS....130 hp/L....14.12 bar BMEP at 8250 rpm
Merc SLS AMG....100 hp/L....12.11 bar BMEP at 7400 rpm
Ferrari 430 Scuderia....117 hp/L....12.29 bar BMEP at 8500 rpm

So, it appears they have succeeded in the highest absolute hp for a N/A V8. But not quite the level of specific output of the 458 speciale, which is probably the pinnacle of production N/A engines.

For fun, a 368 LT5 would have to produce:
685 bhp on the engine dyno @ 7500 rpm to equal the BMEP of the LT6
(assuming a very conservative 4.5% difference between the steady state SAE certified conditions with full accessories and exhaust compared to the normal aftermarket Superflow STD conditions and open headers)

for a 415 LT5:
775 bhp on the engine dyno @ 7500.

for a 427 LT5:
800 bhp on the engine dyno @ 7500.

I only wish they would release this as a crate engine!!!!
Todd

lfalzarano
10-26-2021, 04:54 PM
Patience Todd. Not sure it?s adaptable to a front engine layout?


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tpepmeie
10-26-2021, 06:31 PM
Well, the bore spacing is the same.... maybe we could retrofit the heads and intake.... LOL

tpepmeie
10-26-2021, 06:41 PM
Looks like the cams are still chain driven. The inlet port looks uncannily like the old INdy engines. Very straight and tall valve to port angle.

Saw some Bosch coils as well I think.


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XfireZ51
10-26-2021, 10:54 PM
I was blown away by the engineering. And it weighs 1kg more than the LT2. Great way to tell the OHV mavens to STFU. The sealing of pairs of cylinders to take advantage of one piston going up while one comes down effectively creating an vacuum for that cylinder pair is just genius.
There?s soooo much to unpack here.

Erik
10-27-2021, 12:52 AM
If it only came with a manual.....

HAWAIIZR-1
10-27-2021, 12:19 PM
If it only came with a manual.....



Amazing technology indeed. So much for DIY.

I agree. I guess we are old school and no sports car should have an automatic, paddle shifters or not.


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Erik
10-27-2021, 02:01 PM
Amazing technology indeed. So much for DIY.

I agree. I guess we are old school and no sports car should have an automatic, paddle shifters or not.


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I want to drive my car, not have the computer drive it for me. This means I want to have control of the major systems, those being steering, brakes, throttle and transmission. Yes, that means I want the luxury of driving my car worse then the computer does. And the joy of driving it really well.

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10-27-2021, 09:41 PM
If it only came with a manual.....

You just know this will find its way into Chevrolet crate engines catalog. Although it will probably run 30K+ just for the engine. But 8600 rpm redline and 670 horses?oh yeah, I would if I could.

HAWAIIZR-1
10-27-2021, 11:34 PM
I want to drive my car, not have the computer drive it for me. This means I want to have control of the major systems, those being steering, brakes, throttle and transmission. Yes, that means I want the luxury of driving my car worse then the computer does. And the joy of driving it really well.



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tpepmeie
10-28-2021, 12:34 PM
The more I learn about this engine, the more blown away I become. I can't find a single design where they compromised. This could pass for a full blown race engine, but with a warranty and emissions compliant! Can we get an LT5 to the same performance, HP/Liter or BMEP? Yes, but the expense would be nuts AND the cams would be way too radical to pass any kind of emissions test.

I've read the valves are 42mm inlet/35mm exhaust. Thats a lot of valve area for a 4.100" bore (32.5%), again straight out of modern 4-valve race engines.

It make you wonder how one might improve on this beast. The ONLY area I see is bigger more aggressive cams, and run the engine speed higher. At 8400, it is only running to ~4400 ft/min piston speed. Taking that out to 4700 or 4800 ft/min, as long as you keep the efficiency up would be around 9000 rpm! There is enough valve area to keep the gas speeds reasonable. Could give another 50hp at the same 13.07 bar BMEP. That's about it!

So much want....

XfireZ51
10-28-2021, 11:04 PM
Todd,

Did u catch that they moved the injectors to the exhaust side of the chamber? Giving them more space for bigger valves, which they needed due to the 110%VE
they were getting. The science in this motor is simply amazing.
What about the windage system in the crankcase? 😵*💫