Secondaries indicator?

[Matt B]

Reading through Marc's tipps on how to keep the secondaries on running (in order to keep them clean) I was wondering if not an indicator light would be helpful to monitor secondaries operation and get a feeling when they come into play.

My simple idea is to hook up an LED light on either of the 4 wires coming from the ECM to the secondary relays. So whenever the ECM energizes the relays the light comes on. Would be interesting to see and learn when in everyday driving my secondaries are actually active (or not).

Could that work? Or is the ECM wiring to sensitive and might run into issues when an "unexpected" component is added, even though it's just a small LED?

[jss06c6]

Easier to simply get a data scanning App and monitor the secondaries.. I use TunerPro RT, but I believe there are others that can be used like ALDL Droid...

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[-=Jeff=-]

While that will show when the computer commands them.. If the system has an issue and the mechanical aspect does not work, the computer will still show you they are 'open' when they are not

[jss06c6]

While that will show when the computer commands them.. If the system has an issue and the mechanical aspect does not work, the computer will still show you they are 'open' when they are notUnderstood...

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[-=Jeff=-]

I do have an idea on how to add something that would show the mechanical side, just have not done anything yet

[Jagdpanzer]

Should be easy. Piggy back on the same circuit that energizes the secondary vacuum solenoid.


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[-=Jeff=-]

Let us know what you decide. I have a no touch sensor I want to use to detector the solenoids move although I bet a couple micro switches would work just as well

[LGAFF]

This was done already back in the 90s wasnt it ...by Mark Coplon?

[-=Jeff=-]

Yes but did he ever share what he did?

[LGAFF]

I think there was a write up somewhere, I bet Mr Haibeck would know, the lights were mounted on stems I thought that came out from under the hood area

[-=Jeff=-]

Yeah I remember the LED mount. What I want to do would connect into my arduino that runs my LCD screen

[Matt B]

Phil, good idea! I'll give this a try.
My primary intention is not to monitor whether or not the secondaries are actually working but mainly to get a feeling when they switched on and off to use my gas pedal as effectively as possible to fire (and thereby clean) them.

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[Matt B]

Gents, now that my dash is pulled I took my chance to install my secondary indicator light and wiring.

Question is: where do I hook it up?
I'm an acceptable mechanic but completely lost when electricity gets involved.

Again, my intention is to have an indicator that tells me when my secondaries are actually active and firing during daily operation to get a better feeling when the my Z runs on full flow or primaries only.
So I can optimize secondary usage during part throttle / low rev operation.

My indicator should come when ECM activates the secondaries.

Stupid as I am I need a precise instruction according to the attached wiring scheme. Where should I pick ground and where hook up my positive lead?18511

[AndrewL]

As somebody here suggested when I asked for advice on wiring in a shift light in another thread, have you considered using the spare accessory power lead that is available in the centre console?

[BlackZR1]

Matt,
I added an LED indicator back in 2016. I didn't want to cut any wires or punch holes for the LED so i made a small bracket for a small green LED shown just under the fog light switch in the first pic:
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=526&pictureid=4921

I tied into the vacuum solenoid valve under plenum as Phil had suggested in an earlier post. This pic shows the valve on the right side with the 2 pinkish wires connected. You will need to tie into those 2 wires. I don't have a pic with my tie-in.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=526&pictureid=4922

A few months later, I removed the secondary system and installed Marc's calibration to remove the secondary controls but I left the LED connected anyways just for fun. This pic shows the 2 LED wires running from the vac solenoid connector to LED.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=526&pictureid=4923

I needed a couple of resistors and made up this simple circuit. You won't need R2 if you keep the vac solenoid connected but in my case, since I removed the secondaries and vac solenoid, I needed to add R2 because the LED would still glow faintly even when secondaries are off. This is due to the ECM output leakage even when off still able to drive the miniscule load of the LED.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=526&pictureid=4924

In my case with Marc's secondary delete chip the LED is only off at idle. As soon as i touch the gas pedal the LED turns on (and so do the secondary injectors.) In the end, not much use for me but was informative when I had the secondaries working.

[Matt B]

So, it's been a while but I finally got this issue sorted. Here's how - just in case anyone else decides to add this very useful control light to his or her dash.

My solution is easy to install without the need to dig into the car too much.
First install a control lamp. Mine sits in the spare space inside the center dash vent. Feel free to chose your space to your liking.
Maybe it would be cool to use a MY 90 control center and connect the "full power" control for that purpose. But I don't know if a 90s unit is compatible with later model years.
However, you wire needs to go next to the ECM.

To get ground unplug the green connector from the ECM. Cavity 17 (MY 91) houses a pink wire with black indicator. This connector is grounded by the ECM to activate the secondary throttle selenoid.

You will find your positive wire at (any of) your secondary power relays (MY 91) where you will find another pink wire with black indicator. It's on both relays so doesn't matter which you chose. This wire is linked to the INJ2 fuse (hot when ignition is on). Same color as above but different end of the electric range.

Now just hook up your control light to these two terminals. I removed the pin lock from the respective connectors, pulled the pins by using a thin needle to unlock them and then squeezed a thin wire between the water seal and wire insulation. Then I simply soldered the wire ends onto the terminal. I don't like cutting wires...

The light works super well and indicates whenever my secondaries are actually active. This now allows me to keep them firing even during coast. Interesting to know about the actual operation...

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[dredgeguy]

That is an awesome mod and thanks for all the information.

[tpepmeie]

Nice work. I?ve also always wondered if the Full Power lamp is still in place on the later cars.


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[Matt B]

Thanks!

I "x-rayed" my 91 controls with a strong led lamp. There is no full power light, unfortunately. Because THAT would have been the coolest of all solutions!

After 3 warm February days with my Z I can tell you that the indicator is just great!! It helps to optimize secondary operations in a way that's simply not possible without such an indicator. I now can keep them intentionally firing in about 90% of my ride, even during coasting at 60mls in 6th gear. I mean... If that's what you want...