FS: 1991 Chevrolet ZR-1 NCRS Top Flight (99.5%) survivor. 9894 miles

[bowtiguy]

<<<<<<<Car has been sold>>>



FWIW, I'm not leaving the group (membership approved for 2020) I've decided that this car is too original to modify and it would be a great addition to a collection or at least a garage where it will be driven and enjoyed the way it is. Once it finds a new home, I will reveal the LT5 I'm replacing it with....

What makes this car unique ( besides it low mileage) is that

1) It's low production Dark Red Metallic exterior (97/2044 in 1991)
2) California Emissions Car
3) ALL the mechanical & known ZR-1 issues have been addressed
4) Earned an NCRS top flight award on its first attempt - score of 99.5%
5) Complete LT5 top end paint restoration looks better than new
6) Overall, it is in AMAZING condition and show ready the way it sits. The new owner could easily go forward in the NCRS award process or could drive it just the way it is.


Cars History:

- Originally delivered to Prospect Motors Jackson California (dealer exec car)
- 3/12/1992 Sold to the second owners in Colorado where it remained in the same family until I purchased the car 10/18.
- Full mechanical service has been completed along with a cosmetic restoration of the LT5 top end engine paint. Car was driven for `250 miles before its final detail prior to judging.
- 8/19 Car received an NCRS Top Flight award at the Oklahoma judging event with a score of 99.5% w/ no bonus driving points.

Color is Dark Red Metallic ( 1 of 97) over black leather sport seats. It was ordered with and has both tops along with the California emissions option ( NB6).

Car is a 100% original survivor down to the windshield wipers, brake pads/rotors ad FX3 bilstein shock absorbers.

A full mechanical service has been completed including


-Transmission fluid replacement
-Synthetic Engine oil / filter replacement (twice in my 250 miles of ownership)
-Rear differential lubricant replacement
-Brake Fluid flush/replacement
-Hydraulic clutch fluid flush/replacement
-Engine coolant flush/replacement including radiator (new old stock date coded coolant hoses were sourced and installed along w/ a new thermostat).
-Power steering fluid flush/replacement
-Both Fuel pumps, fuel filter and all 16 injectors have been replaced with ethanol compatible components.
-Headlight motor bushings have been replaced
-Every capacitor in the Bose Gold system has been replaced (CDM & all 4 amplifiers). CD player has been serviced.
- A/C compressor was rebuilt w/ new seals. All system o-rings and dryer have been replaced. Car has been recharged with its correct R-12 refrigerant.

Items addressed during the cosmetic restoration of the LT5 paint

-Coil packs were tested to be perfect
-ALL top end gaskets were replaced injector housing/plenum/TB/ cam plugs/coolant outlets/T-stat housing/ fuel rail, injector o-rings/ etc
-Starter was disassembled/cleaned/tested/reinstalled
-complete secondary vacuum system was cleaned/tested
-entire 12 volt power distribution block cleaned/reassembled
-Radiator & A/C condenser were externally cleaned ( radiator flushed)
-all accessible LT5 external bolts were removed/cleaned/reinstalled/torqued to spec
-ENTIRE ENGINE BAY was detailed to a high standard.

Everything on the car is in 100% functioning order.

-FX3 suspension
-ABS braking system
-HVAC system (Including A/C)
-both sport seats including the air bladders
-low pressure tire monitoring system
-headlamps, interior, exterior lighting, rear window defroster
-power windows
-emissions air pump system
-LT5 secondary system
-power windows, locks, mirrors
-Bose Gold Stereo system including CD player, Tape deck, pwr antennae
-interior key chime
-full power key
-rear hatch and hood gas struts

Documentation included with the car

-original tank sticker
-NCM build sheet(s)
-NCM window sticker(s)
-Clean Car Fax Report
-Complete Pizza box including all the important NCRS judged items
-form fit soft sided car cover.
-printed and digital scans of the NCRS judging sheets from 08/19
-All original parts that were replaced during its mechanical service along with spare oil filters, K&N air filter are included

Most of the pictures are with the second set of original GM 94-95 A-mold wheels with new michelin pilot sport tires installed. ( available separately).

Car comes with the original wheels with original/ functioning low pressure sensors/warning decals in place and period correct Goodyear gatorback tires for judging purposes or car shows.

Located north of Denver, Co about 15 miles. I can pick up any potential buyer at DIA. I can also deliver w/in a reasonable distance.

I enjoy the cars but not the "Game" of buying/selling. Rather than consign the car or list it for top dollar , I've listed the car at what I think is a fare price based on historic/recent sales along with the condition/mileage/NCRS status it has been awarded...

[bowtiguy]

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[Vette73]

A car like that, with all that documentation would probably do well at Barret Jackson...Rare color...Looks sharp with the A-molds..

[bowtiguy]

A car like that, with all that documentation would probably do well at Barret Jackson...Rare color...Looks sharp with the A-molds..

I'm not willing to roll the dice on a "no reserve" auction and these cars dont get much love in an auction environment, with few exceptions. I feel the best place for cars like these are with Marty in NJ. Unfortuneatly, I live 2000 miles away from him.

[Mystic ZR-1]

Bring A Trailer?

[bowtiguy]

Bring A Trailer?

Ive thought about it. Z's havent done that well on BaT. I guess we'll see where the white 95' goes thats currently listed. Maybe that red/red 90' at BJ will put these cars onto collectors radar.

[Mystic ZR-1]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-chevrolet-corvette-16/

[viper107]

what is bat?

[jw63]

BaT is Bring a Trailer - link above ^

[Stingray1967]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-chevrolet-corvette-16/


Dang......

[Stingray1967]

Nice car bowtieguy, love the color. Good luck with the sale! I wish I had more garage space for more ZR-1s.... That dark red would look awesome next to the other two cars.

[bowtiguy]

Nice car bowtieguy, love the color. Good luck with the sale! I wish I had more garage space for more ZR-1s.... That dark red would look awesome next to the other two cars.

Thank you. it was A LOT of elbow grease getting it to this point, but I saw its potential when I first looked at it. Even drove it home 60 miles "carefully". The 250 or so miles I put on it after the mechanicals were complete left a smile on my face, so I will have another. ;)

[spork2367]

Ive thought about it. Z's havent done that well on BaT. I guess we'll see where the white 95' goes thats currently listed. Maybe that red/red 90' at BJ will put these cars onto collectors radar.

Just an FYI because I follow these pretty closely. First chart is all C4's sold and unsold on BAT. Second is just ZR-1's sold.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Just an FYI because I follow these pretty closely. First chart is all C4's sold and unsold on BAT. Second is just ZR-1's sold.


That chart, and I am confident that it is correct, is the most convincing evidence to avoid that method of selling a ZR-1.

I am not at all comforted that they can get base C-4 money for a ZR-1.
It is not difficult to (sell?) a $100.00 bill for $ 73.50.

While NCRS will not provide numbers of ZR-1's that have earned a Top Flight,
(that is for you Doug;) ), one can be sure that it is a very small subset of ZR-1's.
Those judging sheets explain to a buyer exactly what to expect in terms of authenticity, condition, and the cosmetics of the car. the mileage and the repair records validate what to expect in terms of need for repairs etc.

Those are the reasons why that car is worth far more than an average ZR-1, which is certainly already far more than a base C-4.

Those attributes may mean nothing to most of the crowd looking for an auction bargain.

That car does not need "selling".
It will sell itself.
It just needs to be seen by a serious buyer looking for a high quality low mile car.

Best of luck with the sale!!!
:cheers:
Marty

[carguyjoe]

Just curious, why Illinois plates?

[bowtiguy]

Just curious, why Illinois plates?

previous plates were expired. These were the only current vette plates I had at the tiem these pictures were taken. They are now just wall hangers along with all my other vintage tags.

That chart, and I am confident that it is correct, is the most convincing evidence to avoid that method of selling a ZR-1.

I am not at all comforted that they can get base C-4 money for a ZR-1.
It is not difficult to (sell?) a $100.00 bill for $ 73.50.

While NCRS will not provide numbers of ZR-1's that have earned a Top Flight,
(that is for you Doug;) ), one can be sure that it is a very small subset of ZR-1's.
Those judging sheets explain to a buyer exactly what to expect in terms of authenticity, condition, and the cosmetics of the car. the mileage and the repair records validate what to expect in terms of need for repairs etc.

Those are the reasons why that car is worth far more than an average ZR-1, which is certainly already far more than a base C-4.

Those attributes may mean nothing to most of the crowd looking for an auction bargain.

That car does not need "selling".
It will sell itself.
It just needs to be seen by a serious buyer looking for a high quality low mile car.

Best of luck with the sale!!!
:cheers:
Marty

As always, well said. Thank you Marty.

[spork2367]

Agree completely, which is why I posted that cleaned up chart. If you go on and pull up those cars they vary wildly in condition and mileage, but the sale price spread is much tighter. Which tells me that the average BAT buyer doesn’t understand the difference between an average and excellent ZR-1. Most of the removed cars that fell in that average were clean low mileage 96 convertibles and grand sports. The above average sellers were low mileage grand sports and callaways.

That chart, and I am confident that it is correct, is the most convincing evidence to avoid that method of selling a ZR-1.

I am not at all comforted that they can get base C-4 money for a ZR-1.
It is not difficult to (sell?) a $100.00 bill for $ 73.50.

While NCRS will not provide numbers of ZR-1's that have earned a Top Flight,
(that is for you Doug;) ), one can be sure that it is a very small subset of ZR-1's.
Those judging sheets explain to a buyer exactly what to expect in terms of authenticity, condition, and the cosmetics of the car. the mileage and the repair records validate what to expect in terms of need for repairs etc.

Those are the reasons why that car is worth far more than an average ZR-1, which is certainly already far more than a base C-4.

Those attributes may mean nothing to most of the crowd looking for an auction bargain.

That car does not need "selling".
It will sell itself.
It just needs to be seen by a serious buyer looking for a high quality low mile car.

Best of luck with the sale!!!
:cheers:
Marty

[Mystic ZR-1]

That chart, and I am confident that it is correct, is the most convincing evidence to avoid that method of selling a ZR-1.

I am not at all comforted that they can get base C-4 money for a ZR-1.
It is not difficult to (sell?) a $100.00 bill for $ 73.50.

While NCRS will not provide numbers of ZR-1's that have earned a Top Flight,
(that is for you Doug;) ), one can be sure that it is a very small subset of ZR-1's.
Those judging sheets explain to a buyer exactly what to expect in terms of authenticity, condition, and the cosmetics of the car. the mileage and the repair records validate what to expect in terms of need for repairs etc.

Those are the reasons why that car is worth far more than an average ZR-1, which is certainly already far more than a base C-4.

Those attributes may mean nothing to most of the crowd looking for an auction bargain.

That car does not need "selling".
It will sell itself.
It just needs to be seen by a serious buyer looking for a high quality low mile car.

Best of luck with the sale!!!
:cheers:
Marty

🤪 Keeps me awake at nite....
Haven’t slept well in years!

[HIZNHRZ]

Beautiful car...

[bowtiguy]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-chevrolet-corvette-16/

THAT was a very strong sale, especially for BaT! I really thought it would stall out in the mid 30's. Maybe thats not a bad option for me after all.

[Mystic ZR-1]

THAT was a very strong sale, especially for BaT! I really thought it would stall out in the mid 30's. Maybe thats not a bad option for me after all.

The BaT peanut gallery (all experts...) can be brutal.

[spork2367]

THAT was a very strong sale, especially for BaT! I really thought it would stall out in the mid 30's. Maybe thats not a bad option for me after all.

Your car has 10x the mileage that car had. Look at the chart and ask yourself how likely your car is to exceed the other cars that were the most similar.

The ones circled are that last sale and one that is much closer to yours, a 1990 with 10k that sold for 18.5k. Then there is a 1990 with 6.6k that went for 24.7k. What that says, regardless of those being 1990's is that in a world of low mileage cars, there is a huge difference between 900 miles and 9000 miles.

There are a lot of 500-1500 mile ZR-1s out there. Sub 10k is not that rare.

I agree with Marty on this. A specialized dealer is going to get you the best offer. You may just have to wait awhile for mr. right vs. mr. right now (auction buyer).

[bowtiguy]

Your car has 10x the mileage that car had. Look at the chart and ask yourself how likely your car is to exceed the other cars that were the most similar.

The ones circled are that last sale and one that is much closer to yours, a 1990 with 10k that sold for 18.5k. Then there is a 1990 with 6.6k that went for 24.7k. What that says, regardless of those being 1990's is that in a world of low mileage cars, there is a huge difference between 900 miles and 9000 miles.

There are a lot of 500-1500 mile ZR-1s out there. Sub 10k is not that rare.

I agree with Marty on this. A specialized dealer is going to get you the best offer. You may just have to wait awhile for mr. right vs. mr. right now (auction buyer).


Based on model year / mileage for one auction site. I'd have to agree with you. As I stated before BaT hasn't been kind to these cars. However, there also tends to be a feeding friendsy Phenomenon with "under the radar" cars on BaT ( supras for example.)

What the BaT chart doesn't take into consideration is....

1) overall condition
2) were all known service items addressed?
3) documentation?
4) NCRS awards?

Not really an apples to apples comparison w/o taking everything into consideration.

Another unknown would be the european market over the next 12 months, I wonder how many 90's are heading "across the pond" this year.

On a positive note, the BJ sale and the latest BaT sale show there is some strength in the market for C4 ZR-1's. Not that many of the registry owners are going to rush their cars to market because of it. I even plan to buy another (modified) Z once this car finds a new home.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

"One can only BUY it for peanuts if one agrees to sell it for same"
"Seems Foolish to me"
12-23-1998
Marty- LONGTIME ZR-1 lover
1993 Ruby DRM 500 ZR-1 Multiple NCRS Top Flight "Modified " car
Owned for 24 years, never to be sold.
:cheers:
Marty
NCRSZR1 (NJ)
AKA
1FUNZR1 (NJ)

[spork2367]

On a positive note, the BJ sale and the latest BaT sale show there is some strength in the market for C4 ZR-1's.

A little statistical analysis shows that the market trend is still on a downward slope. If you believe that in general, mileage and condition go hand in hand (and they almost always do), you can come up with a formula that adjusts all the prices removing mileage(condition) as a variable to just look at the trend of average selling price over time. I did it based on two calculations. One using just the data from BAT sales and one assuming a 0 mile car is worth 60k and a 50,000 mile car is worth 17k.

When you adjust the BAT values based on the slope intercept formula derived from those graphs, you end up with a market trend graph for the sales adjusted for mileage. Both show a steady decline in average selling price. Which frankly, matches Hagerty's charts as well. The Hagerty trend shows average selling price dropping around 3k from 5/17 to 1/20. My derived data from the BAT sales shows a drop of around 3.5k from 1/17-1/20.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

A little statistical analysis shows that the market trend is still on a downward slope. If you believe that in general, mileage and condition go hand in hand (and they almost always do), you can come up with a formula that adjusts all the prices removing mileage(condition) as a variable to just look at the trend of average selling price over time. I did it based on two calculations. One using just the data from BAT sales and one assuming a 0 mile car is worth 60k and a 50,000 mile car is worth 17k.

When you adjust the BAT values based on the slope intercept formula derived from those graphs, you end up with a market trend graph for the sales adjusted for mileage. Both show a steady decline in average selling price. Which frankly, matches Hagerty's charts as well. The Hagerty trend shows average selling price dropping around 3k from 5/17 to 1/20. My derived data from the BAT sales shows a drop of around 3.5k from 1/17-1/20.


Nice work!!!
Marty

[bowtiguy]

All PM’s should have a reply ;-)

[bowtiguy]

Heres an additional pictures of just some of the items included with the car.

[Erik]

What a sensational ZR1. Incredible work. If only the Canadian dollar wasn’t in the ditch.

[bowtiguy]

What a sensational ZR1. Incredible work. If only the Canadian dollar wasn’t in the ditch.

Thank you sir. I'm glad you like it. I remember taking a trip up to vancouver 20+ years ago and everything was 40% off!

[Erik]

Thank you sir. I'm glad you like it. I remeber taking a trip up to vancouver 20+ years ago and everything was 40% off!

When I lived in the US. Coming up here was great fun for shopping. However, when you get paid in Canadian dollars, things are worse.
:(

[Erik]

This still isn’t sold??? An absolutely magnificent car. I wish someone would buy it so I’d stop thinking about it.

[precast1]

I'm not willing to roll the dice on a "no reserve" auction and these cars dont get much love in an auction environment, with few exceptions. I feel the best place for cars like these are with Marty in NJ. Unfortuneatly, I live 2000 miles away from him.Mine is with Marty paid the freight to get it there 3,600 mile 90 two NCRS Top Flights 99.2 and 100. I feel that is the best way to get close to what you want for it. Plus Marty is a great guy and very easy to work with. Didn't want to sell it but found a 67 I had to have and ran out of room.

Sent from my SM-G950U using ZR-1 Net Registry mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=90383)

[bowtiguy]

This still isn’t sold??? An absolutely magnificent car. I wish someone would buy it so I’d stop thinking about it.

^^^^^I like this guy! ;) thanks. If you dont want the A-mold wheel set, you can get it for less. (price has been adjusted).

Mine is with Marty paid the freight to get it there 3,600 mile 90 two NCRS Top Flights 99.2 and 100. I feel that is the best way to get close to what you want for it. Plus Marty is a great guy and very easy to work with. Didn't want to sell it but found a 67 I had to have and ran out of room.

Sent from my SM-G950U using ZR-1 Net Registry mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=90383)

Marty & I had a great conversation a while back and I agree he would be the best option. I wish he wasnt 2,000+ miles away. I was getting ready to market it a bit on my own till the pandemic hit. We will see how things playout. I could go either way with it. Theres something to be said about driving a NEW 29 year old unmodified car. I've owned/raced a 650 hp C6Z amoung other cars. This one is smooooth w/ no squeaks or rattles. Maybe that happens at the 10K mile mark. :confused:

[Erik]

^^^^^I like this guy! ;) thanks. If you dont want the A-mold wheel set, you can get it for less. (price has been adjusted).


Lol thanks.

Seriously though, if our dollar wasn’t so deep in the ditch right now, I’d have bought it already. Unfortunately, at the current exchange rate, it’s over $55,000 Canadian. Plus shipping and import costs. So better part of $60k. I’ve done a lot of thinking trying to make this work. It hurts even more because the US and Canadian dollars were at par not too many years ago.

It’s why I’m shocked that no one else has bought it. Can you imagine what a 1991 911 Turbo in this condition would fetch? Or an NSX? This is truly a museum quality copy of one of the finest performance cars of the late 20th century. A Ferrari Daytona for the era.

I do hope the market smartens up and all you guys get what you actually deserve for these magnificent cars. That’s after I buy mine, of course! :)

[bowtiguy]

Lol thanks.

Seriously though, if our dollar wasn’t so deep in the ditch right now, I’d have bought it already. Unfortunately, at the current exchange rate, it’s over $55,000 Canadian. Plus shipping and import costs. So better part of $60k. I’ve done a lot of thinking trying to make this work. It hurts even more because the US and Canadian dollars were at par not too many years ago.

It’s why I’m shocked that no one else has bought it. Can you imagine what a 1991 911 Turbo in this condition would fetch? Or an NSX? This is truly a museum quality copy of one of the finest performance cars of the late 20th century. A Ferrari Daytona for the era.

I do hope the market smartens up and all you guys get what you actually deserve for these magnificent cars. That’s after I buy mine, of course! :)

WOW! thats quite a hit through exchange rates. I dont blame you for looking at cars already in Canada.

[WantaKoth]

Sent you a private message.

[bowtiguy]

SALE PENDING... ( Not to WantaKoth, he just joined the forum to make lowball offers).

[WantaKoth]

Wow. Nice post a month later. Sorry you got your feelings hurt because I didn?t offer you full price. I absolutely don?t think it?s worth 39,500. I made you a pretty solid offer in this market In a (PM) and you didn?t even budge an inch. If you have more than that in the car that?s on you. Doesn?t mean it?s worth what you paid. GLWS.

[bowtiguy]

Wow. Nice post a month later. Sorry you got your feelings hurt because I didn?t offer you full price. I absolutely don?t think it?s worth 39,500. I made you a pretty solid offer in this market In a (PM) and you didn?t even budge an inch. If you have more than that in the car that?s on you. Doesn?t mean it?s worth what you paid. GLWS.

Offers in the 20?s for a car of this condition is FAR from a solid one, but we?re all entitled to our own opinion.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

It is a pretty safe bet that "wantaKoth" may be wanting for some time yet making 20k offers on ZR-1's worth considerably more.

A two month two post opinion, but welcome to it.

Your "offer" doesn't make it worth that either.

Good Luck with your buy.
:cheers:
Marty

[Erik]

Offers in the 20?s for a car of this condition is FAR from a solid one, but we?re all entitled to our own opinion.

Man, that's pretty well offensive for that beautiful car. As much as I would have loved to have It, I hope you did well off of it.

[WantaKoth]

(Me)
How is the windshield?

(Him)
Very minor delamination. It was stored inside. I could get you pictures if you want to send me an e-mail address


(Him)
It?s all in the listing

(Me)
Ok. I didn?t see anything about the delimitation. Sorry. For what your asking for 37,500. It should be perfect. I?m interested but not at that price. I think a fair price is more around 32,000 because you have some documentation. If that interests you let me know. If not glws. Thanks.


Sorry guys but he?s a liar.
Just because I?m new you think you can do/say whatever you want about somebody.

[ram_g]

$32K is already above the average for a '91 with 10K miles. Of course, provenance, condition, and rarity will all drive up the price, but then it enters into a fuzzy zone where the needs of the seller and buyer need to intersect. This sounds like a straightforward case where this intersection did not occur, so we should move forward without name-calling. Maybe best for the mods to close this thread?

WantaKoth - good luck with your search (I mean that genuinely, not sarcastically at all).

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

(Me)
How is the windshield?

(Him)
Very minor delamination. It was stored inside. I could get you pictures if you want to send me an e-mail address


(Him)
It?s all in the listing

(Me)
Ok. I didn?t see anything about the delimitation. Sorry. For what your asking for 37,500. It should be perfect. I?m interested but not at that price. I think a fair price is more around 32,000 because you have some documentation. If that interests you let me know. If not glws. Thanks.


Sorry guys but he?s a liar.
Just because I?m new you think you can do/say whatever you want about somebody.

Easy on the name calling.
We avoid that here.
Members help folks, particularly new ones.
So best to keep that in mind, as you will likely be like the rest of us and need help yourself from time to time.

Darn near all ZR-1's have delam.
It does NOT make them worth any less.
Something that you will learn in time.
Continued luck in your search.
:cheers:
Marty

[WantaKoth]

Hey Marty. (you?re supposed to be a professional) You and bowtiguy bashed me with no problem. You didn?t even know the facts. 32k for a first offer is not a low ball 20k offer.

Here Is his response to my 32k offer. (So you know)

Some documentation? I have it ALL including a top-flight NCRS award at 99.5%. You?re not gonna buy a $40,000 car for 32,000 bucks ....at least you?re not for me.

I hope you know what you?re getting into for what these cars need. You?re gonna want proof All the known issues on these cars have been addressed. Otherwise you?re looking at 4-6k in parts and you do all the work.


You might want to look for a C4 grand sport or collectors addition. Local dealer will work on those.

Very nice how you guys treat new members.

Next time know the facts before you comment on something.

As far as name calling goes I only speak the truth so if you don?t like it don?t deserve the name.

Thanks guys.

[Zman]

Hey Marty. (you?re supposed to be a professional) You and bowtiguy bashed me with no problem. You didn?t even know the facts. 32k for a first offer is not a low ball 20k offer.

Here Is his response to my 32k offer. (So you know)

Some documentation? I have it ALL including a top-flight NCRS award at 99.5%. You?re not gonna buy a $40,000 car for 32,000 bucks ....at least you?re not for me.

I hope you know what you?re getting into for what these cars need. You?re gonna want proof All the known issues on these cars have been addressed. Otherwise you?re looking at 4-6k in parts and you do all the work.



You might want to look for a C4 grand sport or collectors addition. Local dealer will work on those.

Very nice how you guys treat new members.

Next time know the facts before you comment on something.

As far as name calling goes I only speak the truth so if you don?t like it don?t deserve the name.

Thanks guys.

We all buy these cars for different reasons. I will speak from both sides of the tracks. I drive these cars. I drive garage queens (ncrsblabbbla) and modified Common cars. From my experience, cars are not investments, if the seller sees it as such. Run!

[Zman]

We all buy these cars for different reasons. I will speak from both sides of the tracks. I drive these cars. I drive garage queens (ncrsblabbbla) and modified Common cars. From my experience, cars are not investments, if the seller sees it such as such. Run!

Don?t get me wrong, I love these cars and understand their value. Our grandkids will see it! Enjoy them, drive them.

[Zman]

NCRS to me means "investor quality" and more personal attachment to the car from the owner. I purchased two NCRS candidates last year, a 1990 with 1900 miles and a 1995 with 2900 miles. Investor quality for sure. Here is where the problems started for me. I found myself feeling bad about racking up the miles on these cars. So I sold the 90 with now 4,300 miles and purchased two drivers for less money as a replacement. My 95 has 9,400 miles currently. One should ask yourself and answer this question honestly.

Am I going to drive it or NCRS it?

My recommendation is to buy a car that best fits your answer and stick with the plan. You as a buyer will be happier with your purchase and the buyer and seller usually have similar ideas, that usually makes the transaction easy.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

NCRS to me means "investor quality" and more personal attachment to the car from the owner. I purchased two NCRS candidates last year, a 1990 with 1900 miles and a 1995 with 2900 miles. Investor quality for sure. Here is where the problems started for me. I found myself feeling bad about racking up the miles on these cars. So I sold the 90 with now 4,300 miles and purchased two drivers for less money as a replacement. My 95 has 9,400 miles currently. One should ask yourself and answer this question honestly.

Am I going to drive it or NCRS it?

My recommendation is to buy a car that best fits your answer and stick with the plan. You as a buyer will be happier with your purchase and the buyer and seller usually have similar ideas, that usually makes the transaction easy.

To your point, Yes, An NCRS Top Flight Award is an independent and highly objective confirmation that a particular car, at the time that it was judged, is both original to how the car was initially configured, and retains it's condition as close as judged to how it was the day it was assembled.

The car in this case, scored a 99.5 even with 9,800 miles.
Said another way. A car with 9800 miles earned 4477 points out of a possible 4500 the day that they judged it.

It just does not get statistically or significantly much better than that, period.

In laymen terms. one would call that car " near-perfect"

It has been authenticated to be a genuine ZR-1, with the proper power-train, equipment colors, trim, and is correct in all elements of it's originality and as near to new condition as one could find.

Such a car is universally understood to be correct just from viewing the judging sheets, and proof that operationally, it's basic functionality, was intact.
One does not need to "see" such a car to know that, PROVIDED it has been maintained since the award, which is all that then needs to be substantiated.

Does the above have an effect on the car's value?

Absolutely, there is no doubt.

However, any individual makes their own determination of "personal" value for themselves. This means that they are welcome to ignore or value such provenance or pedigree, but at the risk of being foolish should they choose to value their own opinion over highly codified and specific objective evaluation such as is done by knowledgeable groups such as the NCRS.

You need not like it, but it is that rigorous judging that strengthens the market value of the entire mark because of it's existence and is why the values move upwards as cars become eligible for judging.

An NCRS Top Flight or Bloomington Gold, Survivor, or Benchmark designation is the very definition of a "Blue-Chip" car.

:cheers:
Marty

[Zman]

To your point, Yes, An NCRS Top Flight Award is an independent and highly objective confirmation that a particular car, at the time that it was judged, is both original to how the car was initially configured, and retains it's condition as close as judged to how it was the day it was assembled.

The car in this case, scored a 99.5 even with 9,800 miles.
Said another way. A car with 9800 miles earned 4477 points out of a possible 4500 the day that they judged it.

It just does not get statistically or significantly much better than that, period.

In laymen terms. one would call that car " near-perfect"

It has been authenticated to be a genuine ZR-1, with the proper power-train, equipment colors, trim, and is correct in all elements of it's originality and as near to new condition as one could find.

Such a car is universally understood to be correct just from viewing the judging sheets, and proof that operationally, it's basic functionality, was intact.
One does not need to "see" such a car to know that, PROVIDED it has been maintained since the award, which is all that then needs to be substantiated.

Does the above have an effect on the car's value?

Absolutely, there is no doubt.

However, any individual makes their own determination of "personal" value for themselves. This means that they are welcome to ignore or value such provenance or pedigree, but at the risk of being foolish should they choose to value their own opinion over highly codified and specific objective evaluation such as is done by knowledgeable groups such as the NCRS.

You need not like it, but it is that rigorous judging that strengthens the market value of the entire mark because of it's existence and is why the values move upwards as cars become eligible for judging.

An NCRS Top Flight or Bloomington Gold, Survivor, or Benchmark designation is the very definition of a "Blue-Chip" car.

:cheers:
Marty

So would you drive it or wax it? I?m not arguing NCRS?s value. I personally don?t need to be told how authentic my cars are. I was trying to say the same thing. You pay $ for these certificates. You best decide what you want to do with your Zr1 before buying such a quality car. I so want that black Z06 with the 427 in it you have for sale! Anyone snag that up yet?

[Mystic ZR-1]

Marty
"... their own opinion and highly codified and specific
objective evaluation..."

I love it, you silver tongued devil...!!! 😀

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

So would you drive it or wax it? I?m not arguing NCRS?s value. I personally don?t need to be told how authentic my cars are. I was trying to say the same thing. You pay $ for these certificates. You best decide what you want to do with your Zr1 before buying such a quality car. I so want that black Z06 with the 427 in it you have for sale! Anyone snag that up yet?

I would drive it AND wax it!

I rarely put over 500 miles a year on each, if that, so at that rate it is pretty simple to retain it's condition while still enjoying it.

And yes, the hot rod Z06 is still in the front showroom.
One BAD xss Corvette!
:cheers:
Marty

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Marty
"... their own opinion and highly codified and specific
objective evaluation..."

I love it, you silver tongued devil...!!! 😀

Doug,
I am still trying to figure out if that was positive or negative. :D
Stay well friend!
:cheers:
Marty

[Mystic ZR-1]

+++++++++!

[bowtiguy]

WOW! I go off the grid for a week fishing and my FS thread goes viral ;-)

Wantakoth: I must have confused your offer with another I had around the same time that was in the high 20's NOT the low 20's as you pointed out. I deleted our PRIVATE messages?s. So I won?t be able to share them in their entirety . Either way, your offer was only slightly over that offer. Hardly makes me a liar, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Its well known purchasing tactic for "some" dealers/individuals to low ball sellers in the hopes of adding inventory or getting a deal. Your VERY recent addition to this forum combined with your subsequent offer led me to believe you fell into this category. I guess your activity moving forward will tell.

I will say that this forum is unlike ANY I've ever seen in the car community. The knowledge and willingness to help new members is unparalleled. If you plan to buy a C4 ZR-1 and you need help with it, these guys are as good as it gets.

Ram-G. Close the thread because a buyer & seller couldn?t agree on a price??? A Little harsh for the guy who took the time to list it. I was under the impression threads were deleted only after an item was sold.

MARTY, I'm sure you've sold more low mileage/ NCRS ZR-1's than anyone. You are in a league of your own on these near stock cars. BaT, Hagerty, Mecum and Barret-Jackson aren?t the only market indicators on these cars, but you already know that. If I lived a bit closer, my car would have been in your showroom and sold long ago, I'm sure of that. I don't know how you deal with people as seller on a regular basis.

UPDATE: The car IS still available and has not had ANY miles put on it since it completed judging August 2019. Only started and run up to temperature a few times. It has only been marketed here and the CF. That will change very soon.

[Atari_Prime]

It's a beautiful car, and the mileage is great. The problem is, and I mean no offense by this, the price. Pristine examples of 91' ZR-1s are selling for around $30k at most. At around $37k, its just well above market.


While I personally would prefer a 91' (because I like the wheel) over a 94' or 95', most of the market is for the last two year models bc of the a-mold wheel that the car came with. And those cars are selling for between $24k and $28k. Ones with under 5k miles are going for about $28k to $35k depending on rareness of options/ownership records.



That said, some have sold for more than expected over the last few months so that is hopeful for values in the future.

[bowtiguy]

It's a beautiful car, and the mileage is great. The problem is, and I mean no offense by this, the price. Pristine examples of 91' ZR-1s are selling for around $30k at most. At around $37k, its just well above market.


While I personally would prefer a 91' (because I like the wheel) over a 94' or 95', most of the market is for the last two year models bc of the a-mold wheel that the car came with. And those cars are selling for between $24k and $28k. Ones with under 5k miles are going for about $28k to $35k depending on rareness of options/ownership records.

That said, some have sold for more than expected over the last few months so that is hopeful for values in the future.

In your expert opinion, pristine examples are worth $30K at most.

Does that mean your offer of $23K still stands? If so, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider this car a pristine example?

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Not interested in the A molds. With the year and mileage, I am interested at about $23k."

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[Erik]

In your expert opinion, pristine examples are worth $30K at most.

Does that mean your offer of $23K still stands? If so, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider this car a pristine example?

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Not interested in the A molds. With the year and mileage, I am interested at about $23k."

post #8 https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c4s-for-sale-wanted/4363894-1991-dark-red-metallic-zr-1-ncrs-top-flight-99-5-survivor-9894-miles.html

I?d take it fir $25k! :)

[Atari_Prime]

In your expert opinion, pristine examples are worth $30K at most.

Does that mean your offer of $23K still stands? If so, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider this car a pristine example?

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Not interested in the A molds. With the year and mileage, I am interested at about $23k."

post #8 https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c4s-for-sale-wanted/4363894-1991-dark-red-metallic-zr-1-ncrs-top-flight-99-5-survivor-9894-miles.html


No idea why people get so upset when you try to help them. If you want to get offended, that is your perogative. I can go get several 90' and 91' ZR-1s with under 20k miles, in some cases under 15k miles, for about $17k to $20k. No, I don't think I'm interested in this car, I'm looking for aqua blue, turquoise, yellow, black, or polo green and preference in that order, but best of luck with sale.

[bowtiguy]

I?d take it fir $25k! :)

SOLD! does that make it 40K can $$ all in? :handshak:

[Erik]

SOLD! does that make it 40K can $$ all in? :handshak:

Damn near, yes.

I looked at a LOT of Corvettes before I bought mine, and yours was certainly the prettiest. If I would have really stretched for one, it would have been yours!

However, I do have a few unchecked lottery tickets.... :)

[bowtiguy]

No idea why people get so upset when you try to help them. If you want to get offended, that is your perogative. I can go get several 90' and 91' ZR-1s with under 20k miles, in some cases under 15k miles, for about $17k to $20k. No, I don't think I'm interested in this car, I'm looking for aqua blue, turquoise, yellow, black, or polo green and preference in that order, but best of luck with sale.

I'm not offended, just irritated. I guess I really don't see how giving your unsolicited opinion on a for sale thread that you didn't start helps me out really?!?! I expect Internet appraisals on Facebook, just seams below grade for this group.

Like you point out, they made nearly 7,000 ZR-1's and there are several at your indicated price point, but are they sorted? I mean EVERYTHING gone through... turn key, NCRS Top Flight certified ( not delivery certified ), unmolested cars? not at $17-20K.

APPLES to Oranges really.

In my best Star Wars Jedi voice " This isn't the car you are looking for ".

[viper107]

cheap zr1 cars are not sorted, they have all the normal things that need attention/ and are not super clean/ now im shure every now and then someone hits the jackpot as with any deal sometimes, super clean z and well sorted all there/certified- not gonna happen with a under 20k sale

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

No idea why people get so upset when you try to help them. If you want to get offended, that is your perogative. I can go get several 90' and 91' ZR-1s with under 20k miles, in some cases under 15k miles, for about $17k to $20k. No, I don't think I'm interested in this car, I'm looking for aqua blue, turquoise, yellow, black, or polo green and preference in that order, but best of luck with sale.

Wow, again you seem to find the best deals around!

Go get em!

Let us know how many you get.

:cheers:
Marty

[Atari_Prime]

I'm not offended, just irritated. I guess I really don't see how giving your unsolicited opinion on a for sale thread that you didn't start helps me out really?!?! I expect Internet appraisals on Facebook, just seams below grade for this group.

Like you point out, they made nearly 7,000 ZR-1's and there are several at your indicated price point, but are they sorted? I mean EVERYTHING gone through... turn key, NCRS Top Flight certified ( not delivery certified ), unmolested cars? not at $17-20K.

APPLES to Oranges really.

In my best Star Wars Jedi voice " This isn't the car you are looking for ".


The opinion was offered b/c the car had been for sale for a while. After taking a look at it, the why seemed pretty obvious. It's all a question of whether the sale is the goal or whether getting the right price is the goal. I've got a Viper that I probably wouldn't sell for "market" whatever that may be, largely because I love the car and have no interest in selling. But if the right offer came along, sure I would sell it.


With regard to 'sorted' v. not. I don't really expect any car I buy to be sorted. Most will likely need new tires if the intent is to drive the car. Most are going to have some quirky part that the prior owner installed and will need to be removed, maybe a new clutch, or windshield (if you can find one). I expect to have to spend $2-4k sorting at minimum no matter how pristine it looks. But I take that into account when pricing the car. If the car is $20k, I fully expect to spend at least $3k sorting it, maybe $5k making it pristine. If the car is $25k, I wouldn't expect it to need more than tires and maybe a slightly touch up in paint, maybe some minor wear that will need attention in the future. If the car is $30k, it should be perfect, but every perfect car I've seen still needs something.

[Atari_Prime]

Wow, again you seem to find the best deals around!

Go get em!

Let us know how many you get.

:cheers:
Marty


Finding deals isn't hard, it's just research. Kinda like shopping at Corvette Mike. You are going to pay more if you go to Mike, a lot more, but you also get the convenience of a one stop shop. But if you look around for the diamond in the rough on some place like on Craigslist, and wade through the BS and scams, you may just find a great car and pay 50% less than the Corvette Mikes of the world will charge for the same car.

[Erik]

Wow, again you seem to find the best deals around!

Go get em!

Let us know how many you get.

:cheers:
Marty

Funny.
I shopped for months, and the ?cheap? ones would have ended up Being very expensive. Good cars cost good money. Cars like the one in question in this thread are amongst the finest ZR1s available. I still think it is very fairly priced for what it is.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Wow, again you seem to find the best deals around!

Go get em!

Let us know how many you get.

:cheers:
Marty

To be clear, I was being facetious.

Those "deals" are likely crap cars.

You don't get $40k+ cars in the teens unless someone is an ignoramus.

SHOW ME THE DEAL.

Admittedly there ARE ignoramuses out there, but my searching rarely if ever, uncovers a gem for peanuts.

When someone gets a 5,000 mile perfect car for $15,000.00 I will be the first to congratulate you.

Show me when it is in the driveway and running.

As always, Good Luck!

Might help if one stops smokin that funny stuff..................

5k mile ZR-1s in 2020 for 15K............

How did that guy used to say it......

"yeah........... that the ticket, sure that's right.....................

:cheers:
Marty

[bowtiguy]

John Luvitz quote, Love it Marty!

I've updated pictures with the factory wheels/tires on the car. I have a ton more on request. Heres a few interior shots. I can say with confidence this interior is a 10 out of 10.

Full disclosure, It now has 9901 miles so I'm sure its worth abut $5k less. Guess we'll see!

[bowtiguy]

a few more. The backlighting on every switch rally stands out at night and they all work! unlike my H3 alpha w/ 160K miles.

[ZR1CK]

bowtiguy, I also have a '91 dk red met Z. Have had it since late 2001. Needless to say, love the car. Got it with 10k ms., currently have 26k ms. I'd have to say that mine is in show condition, but not to the extent of yours. Not that I'm ready yet to sell mine, I'm not real happy with the way the C4's pricing have gone. To me and many others, yours is a reasonable price and I wish you luck in selling it. It does need to go to a collector.
Good luck

[spork2367]

In my best Star Wars Jedi voice " This isn't the car you are looking for ".

I hate to be that guy, but...apparently, after nearly 11 months, it's not the car anyone is looking for.

It's incredibly clean, but these just aren't bringing that kind of money. Especially not a 1991.

Good luck though, hopefully the right buyer comes along wanting a rare color.

[Erik]

Man, it's still about as pretty a car as I've seen.

[XfireZ51]

Part of the problem is its too pristine to modify but that?s part of the fun in owning a ZR is making it your own.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

I hate to be that guy, but...apparently, after nearly 11 months, it's not the car anyone is looking for.

It's incredibly clean, but these just aren't bringing that kind of money. Especially not a 1991.

Good luck though, hopefully the right buyer comes along wanting a rare color.

A more accurate quote would be it is not the car that anyone currently on this site, who mostly already own one or more ZR-'s, is looking to buy.
Most buyers of the NCRS / Bloomington Level ZR-1 Corvettes are found through other website ads.
Although our 700 or so members mostly love the car and are quite knowledgeable about them, they are not the only buying pool out there.
To find a buyer for a near perfect higher priced car, one must get it in front of as many eyes as possible until the one person who wants THAT car sees it.
While our membership certainly buys and sells ZR-1's, we are only a small subset of buyers. Ads in NCRS Driveline, Hemmings, and a dozen or more other similar sites attract those who may not know of the Registry, but are looking for a high quality car nonetheless.
Our members "know" the cars very well. Others without such knowledge rely more on Top Flight or Bloomington pedigree achievements to assure them they are buying the real deal.
Same car priced at 20k would sell in a day, 30k maybe a month.
It is worth the asking price to one who demands exactly that kind of car in that condition, and is willing to pay a premium to get what they want.
It takes time and exposure to find them.
Continued luck with the sale!
:cheers:
Marty

[bowtiguy]

Marty, I agree with you 100%. Life ( Covid limitations & required business adaptations) kept me from moving forward with listing the car somewhere other than here and the corvette forum. Pretty limited "exposure" for sure.

Now that I'm back to regular speed, I've had some additional time for new pictures & listing the car. I will be marketing the car to a wider audience after the 1st of the year. One thing is for certain, you wont see it cross an auction block while I own it.

There is one essential mod that I desire but do not have access to with this car. If it wasn't for that one limitation, I would have been driving the car for the past year along with moving ahead with creating my version of the ultimate ZR-1 from an almost perfect car. This color combo has really grown on me.

On a side note, I'm amazed at the number of expert keyboard appraisers out there. This mentality used to be limited to Face Book pages. Its unfortunate to see it has made its way into this group, but maybe its always been there. The ability for users to search sales data from Mecum, Barret-Jackson & BaT only accounts for a 1 in every 7 cars sold, according to Hagertys insured clients.

https://insider.hagerty.com/trends/what-we-learned-about-the-collector-car-market-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3-6aL59QzRJ4VyUcTjvPXnhkO4sTYc-gm-OVynGUZ6jPdPSrXFvh9T7Fg

[spork2367]

A more accurate quote would be it is not the car that anyone currently on this site, who mostly already own one or more ZR-'s, is looking to buy.
Most buyers of the NCRS / Bloomington Level ZR-1 Corvettes are found through other website ads.
Although our 700 or so members mostly love the car and are quite knowledgeable about them, they are not the only buying pool out there.
To find a buyer for a near perfect higher priced car, one must get it in front of as many eyes as possible until the one person who wants THAT car sees it.
While our membership certainly buys and sells ZR-1's, we are only a small subset of buyers. Ads in NCRS Driveline, Hemmings, and a dozen or more other similar sites attract those who may not know of the Registry, but are looking for a high quality car nonetheless.
Our members "know" the cars very well. Others without such knowledge rely more on Top Flight or Bloomington pedigree achievements to assure them they are buying the real deal.
Same car priced at 20k would sell in a day, 30k maybe a month.
It is worth the asking price to one who demands exactly that kind of car in that condition, and is willing to pay a premium to get what they want.
It takes time and exposure to find them.
Continued luck with the sale!
:cheers:
Marty

I agree completely with that assessment. We really aren't the target audience as most of us already own one or more ZR-1s.

On a side note, I'm amazed at the number of expert keyboard appraisers out there. This mentality used to be limited to Face Book pages. Its unfortunate to see it has made its way into this group, but maybe its always been there. The ability for users to search sales data from Mecum, Barret-Jackson & BaT only accounts for a 1 in every 7 cars sold, according to Hagertys insured clients.

Sorry if my post came across harsh, but not everyone posting comments is doing so from a total layman's perspective. (Marty for instance).

I've done far more research and gathered more information than most people on here. I've done extensive statistical analysis (which is available on this site). I own more in spare parts than you are asking for your car. So I'm not just some "keyboard appraiser." That being said, venues are more and more readily including chat functions with their online selling platforms to allow questions and comments to be shared. Good and bad. Bring a trailer has developed into a relatively high end auction site where owners pay to list cars and their comments sections are wide open. Gone are the days of selling classic cars in a vacuum. The market is very transparent to all in the technological age. A prime example is Brett's prototype car selling for 75k. If a 1988 prototype (which he likely had 150k+ invested in) sold for 75k, the reality of selling a 1991, no matter how clean, for 37k becomes bleak.

That being said, there is a buyer out there who wants exactly what you have and would be more than willing to pay that price for that exact car. The difficult part is finding them. Best of luck, it truly is an excellent car that you have kept in pristine condition.

[Erik]

I guess I don't see how this car is worth a penny less then the asking price. To me, it's about a perfect looking ZR-1, in my favourite colour, and in a condition that could not be easily duplicated, to say the least. This is pretty damn close to a brand new 1991 ZR-1, which cost over $60k in 1991 dollars. Plus, it needs nothing as is.

When I was buying this summer, I actually thought about this one long and hard. But the Canadian dollar was in the ditch, and it would have cost me over $60k in Canadian money by the time it landed at my door. I admit, this is as close to my dream ZR-1 as possible. I greatly prefer the 1991 styling to the 1990, plus this is my favourite colour. Had the dollar been at par, as it was not too many years ago, I then I would have stretched and made it happen.

I further admit, I don't look at my cars from an investment perspective. If I'd had the money, I'd have bought this exact car new in 1991, and what a lousy investment that would have been. Further, what other car of this caliber could I buy for anything close to this price?

I hope this lovely car goes to a home that will cherish it. It deserves no less.

[WARP TEN]

I guess I don't see how this car is worth a penny less then the asking price. To me, it's about a perfect looking ZR-1, in my favourite colour, and in a condition that could not be easily duplicated, to say the least. This is pretty damn close to a brand new 1991 ZR-1, which cost over $60k in 1991 dollars. Plus, it needs nothing as is.

When I was buying this summer, I actually thought about this one long and hard. But the Canadian dollar was in the ditch, and it would have cost me over $60k in Canadian money by the time it landed at my door. I admit, this is as close to my dream ZR-1 as possible. I greatly prefer the 1991 styling to the 1990, plus this is my favourite colour. Had the dollar been at par, as it was not too many years ago, I then I would have stretched and made it happen.

I further admit, I don't look at my cars from an investment perspective. If I'd had the money, I'd have bought this exact car new in 1991, and what a lousy investment that would have been. Further, what other car of this caliber could I buy for anything close to this price?

I hope this lovely car goes to a home that will cherish it. It deserves no less.

Well said Erik. I am surprised you simply didn't move to the US and buy the car! As I have told Mike previously, he has a spectacular car that is worth every penny of his asking price. While there are many potential ZR-1 buyers out there, many are constrained financially and can't -- or simply won't -- pay up for the best. But there are people out there who want one, are patient and wait to find exactly what they want. These cars are normally not good financial investments but are amazing to own and drive. When I bought my 1995 in 2012, I paid up a bit for it ($27,000 back then) because it was exactly what I wanted, low miles, two owners, right color,etc. I knew it needed some work and when it arrived I shipped it directly to Marc for a complete servicing. I later had him do his 510HP package. The car was not NCRS worthy but in extremely good condition and a hoot to drive; I put 12,000 miles on it in four summers. I sold it in February 2016 in order to get my Z06 (with some regret I must say). I sold it for $37,000 to a happy buyer who recognized what I had for sale. Of course, I lost about $20k over my ownership so it cost me about $5k a year for the enjoyment of owning that ZR-1. For me it was worth it. Cars depreciate and I am sure my Z06 has also lost $20k of value in my four years of ownership but like the ZR-1, it is a lot of fun to have and drive. Naturally, though, my wife does not have any information on the financial aspects of my cars!--Bob

[bowtiguy]

I guess I don't see how this car is worth a penny less then the asking price. To me, it's about a perfect looking ZR-1, in my favourite colour, and in a condition that could not be easily duplicated, to say the least. This is pretty damn close to a brand new 1991 ZR-1, which cost over $60k in 1991 dollars. Plus, it needs nothing as is.

I hope this lovely car goes to a home that will cherish it. It deserves no less.

Well said Erik. I am surprised you simply didn't move to the US and buy the car! As I have told Mike previously, he has a spectacular car that is worth every penny of his asking price.--Bob

Thank you gentleman. I appreciate the comments and encouragements on the car. As I've stated before, I'm not a flipper and I finished this car to own forever. Problem is, I'm like the rest of you and like to modify/peronalize my cars and I felt this one was too clean & original to do so. If the new owner decides to, thats on him/her ...not me.

I had a very nice conversation with Marty about this time last year. If there is anyone who has a FIRM grasp on the value of car like this and nicer, its him. Just take a look at his current inventory, He was down to one Z car last I checked. :thumbsup:

The first good Z sale started with the red 90' at BJ Scotsdale 2019'. Plenty of good sales since and recently ( and I'm sure plenty of good private sales as well).

I hope the value of these cars climb as they come into their own, but I also see the value in driving them. A pleasure I did not get much of with this car, but I will with the ZR-1 that will replace it.

For those that are following this thread but were unaware. The car is listed on Hemmings auctions and ends this coming friday.:fahne:

https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1991-chevrolet-corvette-1

[bowtiguy]

Update: the car has been sold. It is staying local and going to a good friend of mine who I sold my 29K mile 84' 1 owner car to a couple of years back.

Thanks to the those who reached out with support & advice in PM's and here on the thread while the car was listed, especially Marty.

To address the white elephant in the room....While the car did not meet reserve during the alotted auction time frame, it did plus some after auction close. I would have to agree with Marty that the drought is over for certain ZR-1's.

As for me, I'm anxious for its replacement to arrive and I'm hopefull the gathering will happen this year as I have yet to meet most of you OR see the NCM in person. -=MIke