TX '90 ZR1
11-12-2018, 10:54 PM
This is a continuation of a discussion that started in the "for sale" section. The pertinate postings from the thread will follow.
During the discussion the subject arose about distinguishing between our cars that were "ready to go" versus the "typical" C4 ZR-1.
I proposed that the Registry could establish something such as a checklist with a scoring system to show the added value of our cars which have been inspected and/or repaired to the operational standard we expect.
I DO NOT intend to include scoring on cosmetic items such as paint and interior as these are subjective.
My initial idea is that by referring to the pre-purchase checklist on ZR1.net site and the list that Hans Meyers has published I can establish a baseline for items to be included.
If this is a project that you would think worthwhile, please post accordingly. I will go for it if it appears the support is sufficient.
Each step would be posted for all to chime in on as to make it as all inclusive as possible.
Follows posts from for sale thread. Please respond with thoughts.
Originally Posted by DRM500RUBYZR-1
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That is because they are selling them on auto trader or car gurus.
Heck, might as well put them on craigslist.
Then they wonder why the cars fail to attract real money.
If "enthusiast level / museum level" cars are what we want, those are the last places you generally look to find them, if you look at them at all.
I certainly would not expect to find a Concours level car on any of those sites.
Great place for the 80k milers with torn seats, but not for the kind of cars many of us are looking for.
I don't want a $20k car that needs $15k in maintenance and repairs, I would rather spend $30-35 and get a near perfect car.
Hard, but not impossible to find those on generic sites.
Marty
Seems like we keep going back to this "value" discussion.
It is a fact that the predominance of C4 Z's advertised on the various venues will need money and time (or more money if you hire it done) spent to get them in a condition I would consider correct.
If entry purchase price is the only consideration, one must accept that there will be things that are not up to par.
There IS definitely a difference in value of the "fully vetted" car versus the "typical" one seen advertised at the lower price points.
There will be exceptions, but few and far between.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start the feud again, but this is my opinion based on experience from taking a "typical" car and making it "right"!
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Kenny
1990 #442
Originally Posted by dredgeguy
Maybe on our site we should promote a special section for our Z's available for sale that are Wazoo or FBI certified? Would give new buyer piece of mind.
A great idea Charlie, but I am not quite sure how you would "certify" them. I think it should certainly be enough to know that the car was owned by a Wazoo or FBI owner. I certainly would look for that, or at least a car that has been serviced by a well known ZR-1 expert in either group or elsewhere. That is, what I would look for if I won the lottery, got a new wife and suddenly had extra garage space for another ZR-1... –Bob
I think it's a great idea to come up with some way to distinguish between the average car and one gone through by someone knowledgeable of the common issues.
Afraid the "certifying" might be an issue. (Liability concerns is my first thought)
Could be something as simple as a checklist that is recognized by the group. Give the items a score according to cost or difficulty to correct.
As an example if selling your car:
"This C4 ZR-1 has been inspected in accordance with the ZR-1.net operational checklist and scores 96 out of 100."
These checklists could be completed by owner or someone else familiar with the vehicles.
This is a good train of thought to entertain in my opinion. Everyone throw out your ideas.
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Kenny
Your correct, using certifying is not the correct term....must have been the jet lag talking. Your suggestion of a ZR-1 Net Registry checklist is a good one. Just thinking there should be a way to separate "our" Z's that have been taken care of by registry members from the ones that are unknown. Might even drive up membership!
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Charlie
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Dredgeguy
WAZOO Member
Originally Posted by Mystic ZR-1
Just saying you're a ZR-1 Net Registry member
says a lot! Kind of a certification in itself?
It shows a potential buyer that the seller has
an intense interest in the car and aren't "in it" because
they're going thru a "Corvette thing" on the way to
their next flighting interest. There's lots
of "poseurs" in the Corvette hobby,
but not around here!!!
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Was just thinking that some means to relate that the car meets an operational standard recognized by the Registry would help separate our cars from the "typical" Z on the market.
I know that when I see a ZR-1 for sale that is not from a Registry member my first thoughts are that the typical issues probably have not been addressed. In my mind I automatically deduct several thousand dollars because of the unknown. This may or may not apply to the particular car, but if unknown, it must be factored in.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and offer to work on putting something together if there is support for such an effort.
If so, I'll go for it, but will need a lot of input from the membership as the project progresses.
__________________
Kenny
1990 #442
We could call it "The ZR-1 Net Registry Premium"
If we all got together we could control the ZR-1 market!
Kinda like the Robber Barons (Rockefeller, Vanderbilt etc)!
Credit Mystic SR-1
I like it!!
My thoughts are that by having an operational standard recognized by a legitimate group of knowledgeable enthusiasts, the variance in value of different ZR-1's is legitimate.
I do not propose to suggest a particular price point, only to show the added value of a "correct" car versus the "typical".
Since we have sort of hi-jacked this thread, I will start a new one in the "general discussion" section and see what kind of response I receive.
__________________
Kenny
During the discussion the subject arose about distinguishing between our cars that were "ready to go" versus the "typical" C4 ZR-1.
I proposed that the Registry could establish something such as a checklist with a scoring system to show the added value of our cars which have been inspected and/or repaired to the operational standard we expect.
I DO NOT intend to include scoring on cosmetic items such as paint and interior as these are subjective.
My initial idea is that by referring to the pre-purchase checklist on ZR1.net site and the list that Hans Meyers has published I can establish a baseline for items to be included.
If this is a project that you would think worthwhile, please post accordingly. I will go for it if it appears the support is sufficient.
Each step would be posted for all to chime in on as to make it as all inclusive as possible.
Follows posts from for sale thread. Please respond with thoughts.
Originally Posted by DRM500RUBYZR-1
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That is because they are selling them on auto trader or car gurus.
Heck, might as well put them on craigslist.
Then they wonder why the cars fail to attract real money.
If "enthusiast level / museum level" cars are what we want, those are the last places you generally look to find them, if you look at them at all.
I certainly would not expect to find a Concours level car on any of those sites.
Great place for the 80k milers with torn seats, but not for the kind of cars many of us are looking for.
I don't want a $20k car that needs $15k in maintenance and repairs, I would rather spend $30-35 and get a near perfect car.
Hard, but not impossible to find those on generic sites.
Marty
Seems like we keep going back to this "value" discussion.
It is a fact that the predominance of C4 Z's advertised on the various venues will need money and time (or more money if you hire it done) spent to get them in a condition I would consider correct.
If entry purchase price is the only consideration, one must accept that there will be things that are not up to par.
There IS definitely a difference in value of the "fully vetted" car versus the "typical" one seen advertised at the lower price points.
There will be exceptions, but few and far between.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start the feud again, but this is my opinion based on experience from taking a "typical" car and making it "right"!
__________________
Kenny
1990 #442
Originally Posted by dredgeguy
Maybe on our site we should promote a special section for our Z's available for sale that are Wazoo or FBI certified? Would give new buyer piece of mind.
A great idea Charlie, but I am not quite sure how you would "certify" them. I think it should certainly be enough to know that the car was owned by a Wazoo or FBI owner. I certainly would look for that, or at least a car that has been serviced by a well known ZR-1 expert in either group or elsewhere. That is, what I would look for if I won the lottery, got a new wife and suddenly had extra garage space for another ZR-1... –Bob
I think it's a great idea to come up with some way to distinguish between the average car and one gone through by someone knowledgeable of the common issues.
Afraid the "certifying" might be an issue. (Liability concerns is my first thought)
Could be something as simple as a checklist that is recognized by the group. Give the items a score according to cost or difficulty to correct.
As an example if selling your car:
"This C4 ZR-1 has been inspected in accordance with the ZR-1.net operational checklist and scores 96 out of 100."
These checklists could be completed by owner or someone else familiar with the vehicles.
This is a good train of thought to entertain in my opinion. Everyone throw out your ideas.
__________________
Kenny
Your correct, using certifying is not the correct term....must have been the jet lag talking. Your suggestion of a ZR-1 Net Registry checklist is a good one. Just thinking there should be a way to separate "our" Z's that have been taken care of by registry members from the ones that are unknown. Might even drive up membership!
__________________
Charlie
__________
Dredgeguy
WAZOO Member
Originally Posted by Mystic ZR-1
Just saying you're a ZR-1 Net Registry member
says a lot! Kind of a certification in itself?
It shows a potential buyer that the seller has
an intense interest in the car and aren't "in it" because
they're going thru a "Corvette thing" on the way to
their next flighting interest. There's lots
of "poseurs" in the Corvette hobby,
but not around here!!!
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Was just thinking that some means to relate that the car meets an operational standard recognized by the Registry would help separate our cars from the "typical" Z on the market.
I know that when I see a ZR-1 for sale that is not from a Registry member my first thoughts are that the typical issues probably have not been addressed. In my mind I automatically deduct several thousand dollars because of the unknown. This may or may not apply to the particular car, but if unknown, it must be factored in.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and offer to work on putting something together if there is support for such an effort.
If so, I'll go for it, but will need a lot of input from the membership as the project progresses.
__________________
Kenny
1990 #442
We could call it "The ZR-1 Net Registry Premium"
If we all got together we could control the ZR-1 market!
Kinda like the Robber Barons (Rockefeller, Vanderbilt etc)!
Credit Mystic SR-1
I like it!!
My thoughts are that by having an operational standard recognized by a legitimate group of knowledgeable enthusiasts, the variance in value of different ZR-1's is legitimate.
I do not propose to suggest a particular price point, only to show the added value of a "correct" car versus the "typical".
Since we have sort of hi-jacked this thread, I will start a new one in the "general discussion" section and see what kind of response I receive.
__________________
Kenny