View Full Version : I know this has been asked before,but...............
Z51JEFF
11-10-2018, 10:57 PM
Have the powers that be lately givin strong consideration to opening up the site to all generations of ZR-1s? It might be time to look in that direction,I see only positives. More traffic,MORE REVENUE and more exposure.
zr1assassin
11-11-2018, 03:22 AM
I vote NO WAY! I love that this is a small family of members focused on one thing
efnfast
11-11-2018, 08:29 AM
I too love the small family. More exposure is the only benefit I see.
lfalzarano
11-11-2018, 08:37 AM
As I suggested before that the site should have individual areas for the C3, C4, C6 & C7 ZR-1 member issues and repair procedures. We all love Corvettes
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zr1assassin
11-11-2018, 09:05 AM
As I suggested before that the site should have individual areas for the C3, C4, C6 & C7 ZR-1 member issues and repair procedures. We all love Corvettes
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I feel like we have the "other" forum for all that, let's keep this one purely ours
DRM500RUBYZR-1
11-11-2018, 09:27 AM
Currently Active Users: 40 (5 members and 35 guests)
View Who's Online
Most users ever online was 333, 1 Week Ago at 07:35 AM.
DRM500RUBYZR-1, A1990, Charlie#445, Mr.Yuck, tommy
ZR-1 Net Registry Forums Statistics
Active usage has dropped so much they no longer even show how robust that it once was.
Just facts.
:cheers:
Marty
XfireZ51
11-11-2018, 10:19 AM
Marty,
Not to mention that it would enhance the BG Gathering and Carlisle. Heck we get people w C6 ZR1s hanging out w our group. Its about heritage.
tgonyaw
11-11-2018, 11:49 AM
I plan to send in a check for the 2019 calendar year and would like to comment.
I think a specific zr1.net forum just for "all" the ZR's would be less cluttered,provide a bigger sense of community and lift the top of mind awareness for the c4 cars. The other sight is like going to the mall while this proposed sight would be the specialty store you really wanted to visit! I like the general postings section and think it may lead to sharing of the various "DNA" each generation shares. Just the added "personality" is worth the discussion here!
Thanks for reading :)
WARP TEN
11-11-2018, 12:27 PM
As I suggested before that the site should have individual areas for the C3, C4, C6 & C7 ZR-1 member issues and repair procedures. We all love Corvettes
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I tend to agree with this. We have a new board of directors coming in soon, perhaps they should revisit this. We could probably use the extra membership revenue. As noted above, our C4 ZR-1 activity on the forum is limited and our participation at the Gathering has not been growing wildly. Marc Haibeck noted the other day that many Registry members come to the gathering in newer Corvettes anyway. And he even has a 2010 C6 ZR1. I think it would be good for the Registry to be the the go-to place for all information relating to any year Zr-1s or ZR1s. And there might be some cross-pollination: maybe a newer ZR1 owner would get interested in a C4 and vice versa. Food for thought. --Bob
XfireZ51
11-11-2018, 12:33 PM
I plan to send in a check for the 2019 calendar year and would like to comment.
I think a specific zr1.net forum just for "all" the ZR's would be less cluttered,provide a bigger sense of community and lift the top of mind awareness for the c4 cars. The other sight is like going to the mall while this proposed sight would be the specialty store you really wanted to visit! I like the general postings section and think it may lead to sharing of the various "DNA" each generation shares. Just the added "personality" is worth the discussion here!
Thanks for reading :)
It was my pleasure to read this. Thank you for those words.
Paul Workman
11-11-2018, 12:33 PM
:happy1:
Z51JEFF
11-11-2018, 01:05 PM
One other thing to take into consideration and probably the most important,MAKE THE CHANGE BEFORE SOMEBODY ESLE DOES AND STEALS THIS AUDIENCE. What other site has a ZR-1 specific forum,the only requirement would be most importantly the site retain the hyphen to let people know the heritage of the site and strict control over the family feel of the site. No nitpicking,harresment of members of any kind,on any level will be tolerated. It’s just a matter of time before somebody starts a forum for all Zs,why not let it be this one?
DRM500RUBYZR-1
11-11-2018, 01:17 PM
One other thing to take into consideration and probably the most important,MAKE THE CHANGE BEFORE SOMEBODY ESLE DOES AND STEALS THIS AUDIENCE. What other site has a ZR-1 specific forum,the only requirement would be most importantly the site retain the hyphen to let people know the heritage of the site and strict control over the family feel of the site. No nitpicking,harresment of members of any kind,on any level will be tolerated. It’s just a matter of time before somebody starts a forum for all Zs,why not let it be this one?
You can take that to the bank!
Exactly what likely will happen.
In life I have learned that where there is a vacuum, someone or something will always fill it without fail.
:cheers:
Marty
TX '90 ZR1
11-11-2018, 02:07 PM
Have the powers that be lately givin strong consideration to opening up the site to all generations of ZR-1s? It might be time to look in that direction,I see only positives. More traffic,MORE REVENUE and more exposure.
I initially have mixed feelings about this.
I could be on board if the uniqueness of the C4 ZR-1 was continued to be acknowledged.
More Z enthusiasts would be great. Just would not want to dilute the quality of this organization as I have noticed on the "other forum".
:cheers:
Vetman
11-11-2018, 03:05 PM
I would support expansion to all the ZR-1 and ZR1 cars. Most of us love all corvettes and many have other vettes as I do. Of the four generations of Z’s, the c-4 Z will always remain by far the most radical and significant of the group. As others have said, if we don’t take in the other Z’s some other group will and eventually overshadow us.
efnfast
11-11-2018, 04:22 PM
You know, if some other group takes on the rest of the Z's, this is still where I would come.
I don't see the benefit of opening up to all Z's, other than more recognition for our cars.
More money? What would we do with it?
More members, what would we do with them, say we had a bigger group?
I like people, I like Corvettes, I like cars.
Other than the fact that Chevrolet chose to re-use the ZR1 moniker, these other ZR1's have nothing to do with our cars. Everybody bitches that Chevy reuses monikers, so they re-used ZR1 and we think cars are just like ours???
Dynomite
11-11-2018, 04:38 PM
Other than the fact that Chevrolet chose to re-use the ZR1 moniker, these other ZR1's have nothing to do with our cars. Everybody bitches that Chevy reuses monikers, so they re-used ZR1 and we think cars are just like ours???
And we think they all have LT5s :D
Now if they all had LT5s ……..yes
If not LT5s...…….no
Nothing is like the LT5 :thumbsup:
efnfast
11-11-2018, 04:44 PM
And we think they all have LT5s :D
Now if they all had LT5s ……..yes
If not LT5s...…….no
Nothing is like the LT5 :thumbsup:
Keep in mind, they just re-used LT5 also.
Dynomite
11-11-2018, 04:49 PM
Keep in mind, they just re-used LT5 also.
So....the engine is not an LT5 but they call it an LT5?
Are the engines even close to an LT5 in function/looks?
efnfast
11-11-2018, 05:07 PM
So....the engine is not an LT5 but they call it an LT5?
Are the engines even close to an LT5 in function/looks?
If they call it an LT5, then I guess it's an LT5.
I don't believe the engine is the same as our in form, function or looks.
Vetman
11-11-2018, 05:14 PM
Mercury marine I believe just released an LT-5 based on the original LT-5 producing 750 HP naturally aspirated!!!!!! That puts the new ZR1 to shame since it needs a charger!!
TX '90 ZR1
11-11-2018, 06:53 PM
Here's a thought. And I admit I have not thought about it enough to have a clue how to go about it!
If I recall correctly, there were just shy of 7000 C4 ZR-1's built. How many are still intact? I have no clue, but I would venture a guess of half or more.
We currently have a membership of 600 give or take?
How about an agressive campaign to get those other C4 ZR-1's in our fold?
Shouldn't be a hard sell. Way more value here than the price of admission.
:cheers:
Dynomite
11-11-2018, 07:40 PM
Here's a thought. And I admit I have not thought about it enough to have a clue how to go about it!
If I recall correctly, there were just shy of 7000 C4 ZR-1's built. How many are still intact? I have no clue, but I would venture a guess of half or more.
We currently have a membership of 600 give or take?
How about an agressive campaign to get those other C4 ZR-1's in our fold?
Shouldn't be a hard sell. Way more value here than the price of admission.
:cheers:
That is a great idea :thumbsup:
As I suggested before that the site should have individual areas for the C3, C4, C6 & C7 ZR-1 member issues and repair procedures. We all love Corvettes
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I agree 100%
I suggested it also. The active users here gets pretty low and it is Marketing 101 to include all generation zr1 Corvettes in one forum.
I personally hope it happens.
Dynomite
11-11-2018, 08:59 PM
As I suggested before that the site should have individual areas for the C3, C4, C6 & C7 ZR-1 member issues and repair procedures. We all love Corvettes
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So......rather than the ZR-1 section with General, Technical and so on...…..
We would have Sections C3 ZR-1 (?), C4 ZR-1, C6 ZR-1, C7 ZR-1 each having the headings we currently have in the ZR-1 section?
Or do you want to now include the C4 Corvette (standard Corvette) and say the Z06 also?
Starting to look like Corvette Forum :D
As an aside......when you are a member not logging on, I think you appear as guest :cheers:
efnfast
11-11-2018, 09:04 PM
How do more members help?
Dynomite
11-11-2018, 09:10 PM
How do more members help?
Paying members help with $s
Z51JEFF
11-11-2018, 09:10 PM
How do more members help?
More money,more exposure? Cliff,only ZR-1s allowed,no exceptions for any other model. Somebody’s going to do it,just a matter of time.
TX '90 ZR1
11-11-2018, 09:37 PM
Paying members help with $s
Also....there are several.....maybe many....that have C6, or C7 Corvettes and others that have the standard C4 Corvettes like the 1990 with L98.
Also....should NOT mention here but participating membership is affected by indexing the Forum such that rather than ask the question.....they just look up the answer :D
Why pay when you can look it up for free without anyone knowing you looked it up whereas if you have to ask the question you might be more inclined to become a Paying Member.
That leads to a whole bunch of other questions involving how we help those with car issues. I will delete this post shortly as I am thinking I do not want to talk about this unless I get therapy first :sign10:
I'm thinking a lot of us could use the therapy session, probably sessions.
You bring up some good thoughts here, so I hope by quoting it, it will not go away!!:)
32valvesftw
11-11-2018, 09:53 PM
As far as I am concerned the fact that this forum is specific to our cars, is what makes it special.
CF covers all those other Z's, so that is an established client base for CF. Is the expectation that the other Z's will leave CF and join this forum, if so why? How will we differentiate from CF in order to recruit those other members?
Z51JEFF
11-11-2018, 10:23 PM
As far as I am concerned the fact that this forum is specific to our cars, is what makes it special.
CF covers all those other Z's, so that is an established client base for CF. Is the expectation that the other Z's will leave CF and join this forum, if so why? How will we differentiate from CF in order to recruit those other members?
It’s easy,CF and all the crap that goes with it or nothing but ZR-1s.
XfireZ51
11-11-2018, 10:25 PM
It’s easy,CF and all the crap that goes with it or nothing but ZR-1s.
Thx Jeff. Duh, its Only for the ZR Corvette and none other.
32valvZ
11-11-2018, 11:16 PM
I think its a good idea... Bringing knowledge to the ZR-1 is not a terrible idea... Theres so much stupidity out there regarding the ZR-1, even from regular Corvette owners that its sickening. Im always fighting with guys on CF about mis-information.
On top of that, everyone always complains about the value of our cars being in the tank. The only thing that will make them more desirable is exposure to them, their history and what they are all about. More people will want them, and theres no more being built, which will drive value.
Id venture to say that people who can afford a ZR1, can also afford a ZR-1...
:salute:
efnfast
11-12-2018, 07:15 AM
Paying members help with $s
Do we have a $$ issue?
DRM500RUBYZR-1
11-12-2018, 08:41 AM
Do we have a $$ issue?
I do not believe there to be any current money issue, based on looking at the financials.
However, although membership is trending upward, which is certainly good, the alarming trend is the atrophy of forum traffic.
Until recently when the historical trends were updated, it revealed a significant drop in forum traffic from years ago.
That trend is nothing short of alarming.
Couple that with the certainty that newer ZR-1 owners will indeed want a place of their own, take a moment and think that through.
They may opt to open an all inclusive ZR-1, ZR1 forum that COULD eventually cannibalize this forum membership.
Why take the chance?
It has been duly noted that many of our members also own newer ZR-1's.
That trend will grow as prices on the newer ones, particularly, the C-6 versions, continue to fall to irresistible bargain levels.
Currently we have the high ground, but that position is not guaranteed.
More members, more traffic, more ideas, more interest, as well as protection of our pioneering effort are all good things.
Dilution is less of a problem than extinction, and there is no real threat of reduction of C-4 interest, just an expansion of the people coming here, participating in ZR-1, ZR1, information.
:cheers:
Marty
Reichert
11-12-2018, 11:07 AM
What I hear from this and related discussions is a concern that participation and engagement in the Registry is on the decline, and strategies like broadening the user base with a wider range of Corvette owners can be used to counteract that trend.
From my perspective, inviting more people in to the current system would not scale at all, and would exacerbate problems that are only manageable due to the relatively low volume of activity currently on the site. I think it's fair to say that we love this site primarily because of the people involved - their love of their cars, and the experience, wisdom, and practical help and advice everyone is so generous to share with each other. We don't love it because of the technology that is in use and the information management systems in place. More to the point, the "Registry" aspect of this site is hidden behind a members login and is for all intents and purposes unusable.
I see a huge opportunity currently missed in the namesake of the site. Where we employ technology to provide a rich set of tools to curate the story of our cars, while continuing to foster the spirit of community that is at the heart of the organization.
Imagine if we had a Registry where as a ZR-1 owner, I could:
Claim my car(s), and curate a home page for each of them (think Zillow or Redfin for real estate)
Add service record logs and photos
See a timeline of services that span across ownership, with highlights on common and important services for our cars, e.g. replaced injectors for early models.
Earn badges for "achievements" or high value modifications specific to the ZR-1. e.g. the "Haibeck 510" badge
That should all be public and available without a membership, so we can gather as much data as possible on every car, while driving more traffic to the site and hopefully enticing more owners toward membership.
Further, as a registry member, I could:
Submit help requests that are linked to an issue tracking system, where other members can help troubleshoot in a structured way that maintains a history of help provided for each car.
Offer the car for sale, with facilities to help broker the transaction. Buying a car through the registry includes a built-in 1-year Registry membership.
Those are just some examples of possible features off the top of my head - I'm sure you all can think of many more.
As Kenny said earlier, there are only about 7000 possible records for this Registry. Each of them has a unique history, and many of them have been carefully maintained for over 25 years. Let's make the ownership experience special. Now you have something to build on where you can invite in more generations of ZRs and their owners.
rush91
11-12-2018, 01:04 PM
I love the uniqueness of this site, because of the rarity of our ZR-1s....but correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the only site dedicated solely to the C4 ZR-1?? So if another site starts up, including all years ZR1, why be upset that they are all inclusive and we are not?? My 2 cents is this should stay an exclusive site.
If $$ coming into the group is an issue, then we should think about how to promote our cars more, not adding other Generations for income. search Youtube and it's a shame how few videos there are of any LT5....The more that is out there, the more people will see.
Another idea I saw earlier was getting the whole run of our cars on here. Of 6900 cars built, someone said only around 600 have been registered here.... Then where are the rest? An effort could be made to reach out to those not aware of the site, but how is beyond me. Again I think promotion needs to be more.
I'm just thinking out loud, giving my opinion. But I do love this site and members, one of the main reasons I bought my car. The knowledge and support from all of you.......Either way I will still be a member. Oh and I don't want to come to this site everyday and see C6 ZR1 boards! I want one of those so bad, it would be torture lol.
Dynomite
11-12-2018, 01:31 PM
I admit I have not thought about it enough to have a clue how to go about it!
If I recall correctly, there were just shy of 7000 C4 ZR-1's built. How many are still intact? I have no clue, but I would venture a guess of half or more.
We currently have a membership of 600 give or take?
How about an agressive campaign to get those other C4 ZR-1's in our fold?
Shouldn't be a hard sell. Way more value here than the price of admission.
:cheers:
I concur with Kenny......rather than dilute the Forum, stick with what we have now and expand by research involving the whereabouts of the 7000 C4 ZR-1s built and the whereabouts of the associated owners. I am sure many have no clue this Forum exists :cheers:
Having no clue this Forum exists actually may have caused excessive selling driving down prices as a result of not knowing how to maintain/modify the C4 ZR-1s ;)
And not knowing where to go (except the dealer) when something needs fixing :)
The Dealer often knows less about fixing the C4 ZR-1 than most of us on this forum :D
RussMcB
11-12-2018, 01:46 PM
Here is the bookmark I use for ZR1.net:
zr1.net/forum/search.php?do=getnew
This site would be much less desirable to me if that URL showed a lot of non C4 posts. So, my vote would be to keep this site limited to C4 ZR-1's.
The Boss
11-12-2018, 03:18 PM
Just my 2 cents as the new guy but I tend to agree that we should have current ZR1 owners involved with the site. Not only would it generate more exposure for the C4 Owners but at the end of the day we are all Elite Corvette Owners. Dynomite also makes a great point that there needs to be more done to bring all the current C4 ZR1 owners into the site.
:flag2:
Mystic ZR-1
11-12-2018, 05:24 PM
The Dealer often knows less about fixing the C4 ZR-1 than most of us on this forum[/COLOR] :D
NO no no!
The dealer ALWAYS knows less about fixing the C4 ZR-1 than most of us
on the Forum!!!
Z51JEFF
11-12-2018, 05:55 PM
. More to the point, the "Registry" aspect of this site is hidden behind a members login and is for all intents and purposes unusable.
What exactly do you mean by a this?
zr1assassin
11-12-2018, 06:25 PM
Looks like we need to set up a voting pole....??
Reichert
11-12-2018, 07:10 PM
What exactly do you mean by a this?
Because it's a 275 megabyte, 1866 row HTML table that takes over 30 seconds to load on a modern PC with a fast internet connection - and you have to do that over and over again to look at the details of each car. The data is not indexed at all, meaning you can't do any kind of searches against the database. There is no indicators of how accurate or up-to-date the information is. etc.
Z51JEFF
11-12-2018, 08:27 PM
My point in all of this is get with the times or get left behind.
XfireZ51
11-12-2018, 09:40 PM
My point in all of this is get with the times or get left behind.
In other words, the only constant is change. Still waters become stagnant.
Z51JEFF
11-13-2018, 03:54 AM
In other words, the only constant is change. Still waters become stagnant.
Yup,and when people start dividing their time between this site and a different Z site revenue,membership participation will drop. But for now,we’ll just sit back and watch it happen.
efnfast
11-13-2018, 07:20 AM
Why would I go to a different Z site?
DRM500RUBYZR-1
11-13-2018, 09:51 AM
While it may be hard to believe, but what if it were better.
We have no proprietary information that could not be easily replicated.
If the C-6 ZR1 crowd desires to create a more in depth "registry" in order to help maintain the cars value, and then simply began a forum it would have a potential base of about 5000 cars. Those owners, likely first or second owners might be even more active than us.
If they then expanded to accept the "forerunner" of their ZR1's, they would likely get some folks.
We only have 600 or so, not like it would be impossible.
I would not want to see it happen, nor do I even wish to know that such a threat is out there.
Simply much smarter to defend what we have before a genuine threat emerges.
Having three sections of this registry would not present a herculean challenge.
Maybe you are right, that no one would leave.
But, what if they did?
Why risk it?
Again, dilution is easier to accept than extinction, especially when the dilution may actually result in a more robust and active membership.
Not saying we are doing a poor job or doing anything wrong.
I simply am uncomfortable knowing such a threat could rather easily materialize, and we did nothing to pre-emptively mitigate the threat that we know could exist.
That is risk.
Marty
p.s.
Back in 1991-1996 we NEVER thought that the original ZR-1 Registry would ever wither and die, but it did.
It happens.
Z51JEFF
11-13-2018, 11:11 PM
Because it's a 275 megabyte, 1866 row HTML table that takes over 30 seconds to load on a modern PC with a fast internet connection - and you have to do that over and over again to look at the details of each car. The data is not indexed at all, meaning you can't do any kind of searches against the database. There is no indicators of how accurate or up-to-date the information is. etc.
I got it,I thought your point was not being able to log onto the paid site.
Vette Guy
11-14-2018, 12:53 AM
What I hear from this and related discussions is a concern that participation and engagement in the Registry is on the decline, and strategies like broadening the user base with a wider range of Corvette owners can be used to counteract that trend.
From my perspective, inviting more people in to the current system would not scale at all, and would exacerbate problems that are only manageable due to the relatively low volume of activity currently on the site. I think it's fair to say that we love this site primarily because of the people involved - their love of their cars, and the experience, wisdom, and practical help and advice everyone is so generous to share with each other. We don't love it because of the technology that is in use and the information management systems in place. More to the point, the "Registry" aspect of this site is hidden behind a members login and is for all intents and purposes unusable.
I see a huge opportunity currently missed in the namesake of the site. Where we employ technology to provide a rich set of tools to curate the story of our cars, while continuing to foster the spirit of community that is at the heart of the organization.
Imagine if we had a Registry where as a ZR-1 owner, I could:
Claim my car(s), and curate a home page for each of them (think Zillow or Redfin for real estate)
Add service record logs and photos
See a timeline of services that span across ownership, with highlights on common and important services for our cars, e.g. replaced injectors for early models.
Earn badges for "achievements" or high value modifications specific to the ZR-1. e.g. the "Haibeck 510" badge
That should all be public and available without a membership, so we can gather as much data as possible on every car, while driving more traffic to the site and hopefully enticing more owners toward membership.
Further, as a registry member, I could:
Submit help requests that are linked to an issue tracking system, where other members can help troubleshoot in a structured way that maintains a history of help provided for each car.
Offer the car for sale, with facilities to help broker the transaction. Buying a car through the registry includes a built-in 1-year Registry membership.
Those are just some examples of possible features off the top of my head - I'm sure you all can think of many more.
As Kenny said earlier, there are only about 7000 possible records for this Registry. Each of them has a unique history, and many of them have been carefully maintained for over 25 years. Let's make the ownership experience special. Now you have something to build on where you can invite in more generations of ZRs and their owners.
There are a lot of great ideas, and the focus on a robust Registry is of much interest to me. Working to improve the limitations of what our software currently provides was discussed at tonight's Board of Directors meeting as a result of this post. Thank you for the great ideas.
As for expanding the registry, this has also been discussed by the current board at length over the past year or so. We decided not to pursue expanding at this time, which would directly work to pull members from the C6 and C7 ZR1 Registries on the Corvette Action Center. We want to be the best at what we do for the ZR-1 that we love. We are flattered that others want to emulate us, and I believe that evolution of this Registry will be due to existing members stepping up to create the tons of support information that we and past ZR-1ers have contributed to our website, thus creating a resource that ZR1s will seek out, vs. adding C6/7 members and trying to accommodate them from scratch. From my perspective (1 of 9 Board members), whatever we do going forward can not diminish the focus on the C4 ZR-1. I've explained a way-forward in my candidate response to JThomas's very well thought out question that would achieve this.... if the Board was persuaded to go forward. As it stands, I've received many comments back that did not support expanding. Additionally, please understand that everything that the registry accomplishes is done on the backs of the 9 Board members, and the organization is only as good as these people and the time and effort they devote to it. We'd need a lot of expertise in these new platforms to create a registry that serves them - otherwise they'd be disappointed that we don't offer the same level of support as we do for the ZR-1.
As to dispel any rumors about our Registry - our membership continues to grow - we ended 2018 with 605 members - up from 441 at the end of 2013. Attendance at the Gathering also continues to grow - from under 100 during non-anniversary years to ~140 the past 2 years. Our anniversary years are the biggest, with 2015 bringing almost 200. Financially, we've about doubled our reserves in the past 4 years, and are doing many more events across the country than we've ever done. We know there are areas that we need to improve, and that goes back to prioritizing our time and efforts. We want to be good at "Keeping the Legend Alive".
As for Forum participation, we've researched this twice over the past few years, and I recall that less than 1/3 of our membership participates on the forum. Also, our typical member doesn't regularly log into the website unless looking for specific information - robusting our registry would certainly increase participation and engagement possibly on both the main website and the forum.
In meeting some ZR-1 owners who are not members, I've concluded this: car collectors who own a ZR-1 among many are not not as interested in joining the group as those who may only own a few cars or just a ZR-1. To them, the ZR-1 is special but may not be their main focus of the collection. I also believe that the ZR-1 Net Registry is the reason that values for our cars has not dropped lower. I've not seen values drop in the last few years....in general. Click this link and see what some of the experts have said about the ZR-1 in their statements: http://showyourcorvette.com/Corvette_Market.pdf We've gained quite a few owners based upon their desire to join the Registry and be a part of this special group. I believe our Board member, John Glyder, is one of them.
Lastly, I believe the Registry is a stable organization. The first 2 organizations were proprietorships. When the owners were done, so were their registries. We are the longest running registry, started in 2004 by Dave Bright, who recognized the shortcomings of the prior two. He created a Board of Directors with elections to ensure this Registry would endure. After 14 years, we're still here and growing stronger and still uncovering history regarding the ZR-1 and LT5. It's an amazing story to me, as are all of the great people involved who contributed to produce such an amazing performance sports car, and one that was developed and perfected on the race track. (yes, we have another history to document regarding how the Corvette Challenge series was used as a test-bed by Chevrolet for the ZR-1 - it was disguised as a Corvette Challenge Car and run at speed on some of the best track across the country!)
So please don't let the debate end here - I wanted to acknowledge that the Board does read with your messages on the forum - and wanted to convey a bit more information about the health of the Registry and why we chose not to pursue expanding the Registry at this time. As stated, I've proposed a way forward that may be considered when its time - but it will require a massive amount of work to prevent it from being half-fast, and will need members with expertise, time and dedication. Much more than just their own forum on this site.
Regards,
Mark
randy ransome
11-14-2018, 02:20 AM
First I'd like to thank ALL of the board members for their Hard work and Dedication to the ZR-1 Registry.
Mark's above information, to me, seems to be the coarse we should pursue.
We have a great group of people coming together for their passion and enjoyment of the ZR-1.
Let's have a beer and hit that rev limiter.
Thanks Again
Z51JEFF
11-14-2018, 06:32 AM
Thanks for the info Mark,greatly appreciated, when everything is stripped away and you get right down to the surface, exposure is the main goal. The ZR-1 is a truly phenomenal car as we all know and I only want what the car deserves. I do like fact that we,as owners are about as loyal to the car,maybe more so than any other make. LONG LIVE THE KING!
DRM500RUBYZR-1
11-15-2018, 04:44 PM
Growth is indeed good.
Would love to see it get into the thousands someday soon.
Would love to see guests transition continuously to members.
Such a transition validates relevance and value.
Evolution is essential to growth and survival.
Good to hear the words that it is on the collective minds of the board.
Perhaps a threat from the other generations will never materialize.
Maybe the newer generations will wish to avoid potential dilution as well.
Let's keep searching for ways to arouse more interest in these phenomenal cars, while retaining the fraternal aspect of the group.
Marty
Vetman
11-15-2018, 07:53 PM
As noted in my signature I own four super cars of their day and they are all four in outstanding condition. My Z is definitely the most unique, historic, and the one I choose to drive on long trips and is my first choice to just play with. This club is proof of the uniqueness of our ZR-1’s. NO other car brand built years ago for a few years could have this massive club following if the “beast” were not a freaky “one of a kind” car.
Z51JEFF
11-18-2018, 12:26 AM
As noted in my signature I own four super cars of their day and they are all four in outstanding condition. My Z is definitely the most unique, historic, and the one I choose to drive on long trips and is my first choice to just play with. This club is proof of the uniqueness of our ZR-1’s. NO other car brand built years ago for a few years could have this massive club following if the “beast” were not a freaky “one of a kind” car.
I’ve got a friend that has a 55 Belair 2DR HT PP with power windows,power seat,car is rotting in his driveway. Before I bought my Z I offered him $17,000 for it,11 years later still sits in the same spot.
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