Opinion wanted

[BecauseEYEgotta]

Hey there fellow Corvette lovers!
I’m currently looking at obtaining a Z.
Looking now at a 92 with 27k for $28900.
Is this a good deal???
Thanks in advance
-Frank

[Z51JEFF]

That’s a little on the higher side,what colors and does it have both tops,at a dealer?

[G8nightman]

Sound right for little details given.


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[BecauseEYEgotta]

Black with grey interior
At a dealership

[XfireZ51]

Bought my first 92 Aqua/Gray w 35k on it for $21000. And that was 10 years ago.

[Vette73]

You have the link to the dealership?

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[lfalzarano]

Bought my first 92 Aqua/Gray w 35k on it for $21000. And that was 10 years ago.



You’re low balling another ZR-1, by saying you got yours so much cheaper. You are driving down prices for everyone!


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[XfireZ51]

You’re low balling another ZR-1, by saying you got yours so much cheaper. You are driving down prices for everyone!


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Not sure what your problem is, but I am giving someone a relevant benchmark for determining the value of a vehicle he’s looking at by sharing my experience.
That’s what the OP is looking for.

[BecauseEYEgotta]

You have the link to the dealership?

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[WVZR-1]

Bought my first 92 Aqua/Gray w 35k on it for $21000. And that was 10 years ago.

You’re low balling another ZR-1, by saying you got yours so much cheaper. You are driving down prices for everyone!




Not sure what your problem is, but I am giving someone a relevant benchmark for determining the value of a vehicle he’s looking at by sharing my experience.
That’s what the OP is looking for.

OP only asked 'is this a good deal?' - appropriate responses for the question asked were in post #2 and #3. I'm with #7 - I don't believe you contributed a damn thing to the conversation. You maybe 'overpaid' by 15K because it wasn't drive-able and had a salvage title.

[We Gone]

Looks very clean, Love that color combo. I'm not one to ask about pricing as when I find what I'm looking for and it meets my standards I will haggle some over the price but end up buying it.

[BecauseEYEgotta]

Looks very clean, Love that color combo. I'm not one to ask about pricing as when I find what I'm looking for and it meets my standards I will haggle some over the price but end up buying it.

Hey Steve, it’s Frank Moscarell, from fb! Funny how as soon as I saw the yellow/white I figured it was you.

[KILLSHOTS]

4 years ago, I paid a dealer $18K for my white on red '90 that had 15,500 miles on it. On that 383 mile red on red '90 that the dealer in Anaheim recently had, I had them at $26K, but walked away because I knew that fixing the few issues it had wiped out any hope of profit. OP, your question has nothing to do with people potentially "driving down prices" but rather is about whether the car you're considering is a good deal. Only you can decide in the end, but purely looking at the numbers, the answer is absolutely NO.

[KILLSHOTS]

This is a good deal...

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Market...900-in-AZ.aspx (http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Marketplace/ZR1sForSale/tabid/166/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2080/categoryId/63/1991-Bright-RedSaddle-25900-in-AZ.aspx)

[We Gone]

Frank, Good to see you over here. Hope you find what your looking for in a ZR-1, If I can help you feel free to ask. I may not have all the answers but your in the right place to find them.

Anyone close to a car you want inspected I feel sure these guys would jump at the opportunity to help.

[BecauseEYEgotta]

This is a good deal...

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Market...900-in-AZ.aspx (http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Marketplace/ZR1sForSale/tabid/166/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2080/categoryId/63/1991-Bright-RedSaddle-25900-in-AZ.aspx)



That is, but I’m in PA, and looking for a stock car.
But thanks for the info!


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[WVZR-1]

That is, but I’m in PA, and looking for a stock car.
But thanks for the info!


Using the link provided

The car appears to be far from 'stock' - the A-molds appear to be OE & not replicas (but ain't stock). Are saw-blades included? Exhaust isn't stock either and North Carolina isn't just around the corner if you're in PA.

The 28,900 is an 'ask' like Steve mentioned so who knows what will do the buy! Not an easy car to put your 'eyes on' to decide. Maybe you could determine maybe a more reasonable value with a couple simple questions.

Maintenance record? I'd ask the seller for tire 'date codes' in a very early conversation. They might speak much regarding maintenance!! # of owners? A dealer should be able to supply CarFax or others that would create maybe safety inspection/title transfers etc documented. Much can be done before a visual and drive!

[spork2367]

You’re low balling another ZR-1, by saying you got yours so much cheaper. You are driving down prices for everyone!


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It's not the job of owners to inflate prices by telling someone a car is a good deal when it's not either.

OP only asked 'is this a good deal?' - appropriate responses for the question asked were in post #2 and #3. I'm with #7 - I don't believe you contributed a damn thing to the conversation. You maybe 'overpaid' by 15K because it wasn't drive-able and had a salvage title.

OP wanted opinions and he got one. It's his job to discern whether that opinion is relevant or not. 10 years ago the market was about 30% higher than it is now on a 92.

There are a large percentage of owners who don't want to admit what the market is doing on these cars. It's dropping again now. These will, with few exceptions, never be big dollar collector cars.

Realistically, 25,000 is a good starting price and then go one way or the other based on details.

[BecauseEYEgotta]

Using the link provided



The car appears to be far from 'stock' - the A-molds appear to be OE & not replicas (but ain't stock). Are saw-blades included? Exhaust isn't stock either and North Carolina isn't just around the corner if you're in PA.



The 28,900 is an 'ask' like Steve mentioned so who knows what will do the buy! Not an easy car to put your 'eyes on' to decide. Maybe you could determine maybe a more reasonable value with a couple simple questions.



Maintenance record? I'd ask the seller for tire 'date codes' in a very early conversation. They might speak much regarding maintenance!!



Yeah, I have a list of questions for them, if they reply back to me. I felt the asking price was a bit high, that’s why I put it on here.


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[WVZR-1]

It's not the job of owners to inflate prices by telling someone a car is a good deal when it's not either.

He could have left the comment as 'seems high' or ain't for me!



OP wanted opinions and he got one. It's his job to discern whether that opinion is relevant or not. 10 years ago the market was about 30% higher than it is now on a 92.

There are a large percentage of owners who don't want to admit what the market is doing on these cars. It's dropping again now. These will, with few exceptions, never be big dollar collector cars.

Realistically, 25,000 is a good starting price and then go one way or the other based on details.

Taking into consideration the guy's a BOD member, a forum moderator, 'ex membership chairman' and an owner of one I'd say it was somewhat 'irresponsible' to approach the conversation in this way.

And then came back to argue it seems his point - his car and 10 year old purchase isn't relevant. There ain't no way!!

I'm still with poster #7 although his comment was/is a stretch!

Value is the eyes and the wallet of the potential buyer.

[spork2367]

He could have left the comment as 'seems high' or ain't for me!





Taking into consideration the guy's a BOD member, a forum moderator, 'ex membership chairman' and an owner of one I'd say it was somewhat 'irresponsible' to approach the conversation in this way.

And then came back to argue it seems his point - his car and 10 year old purchase isn't relevant. There ain't no way!!

I'm still with poster #7 although his comment was/is a stretch!

Value is the eyes and the wallet of the potential buyer.

Some details to the comment would have helped. But there are graphed trends of selling prices from the early 2000s until now, so one can certainly compare a value today to a value from 10 years ago.

For a group of people who overwhelmingly claim "we love these cars so much we don't care about what they're worth because we aren't selling them."....There are an awful lot who very much seem to care what they're worth.

Saying that "it's worth what someone will pay".... Sure, and that person is going to want to pay what the market is bearing for that item. And if the claim is "someone will pay what they want," then why get so bent out of shape about xfire's comment?

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OK, let's look at it this way.
1- One owner car Big plus! in 92 you paid full price or more for these when new. While anyone with money could have bought and abused it, I suspect the opposite is true. Someone who spent 65k or more on this car and kept it for 25 plus years, and kept it in this condition with this mileage, more than likely maintained the car correctly as well.
So that's a big add in price to the 24-25 car gurus pricing tool puts the car at. Yes, 28 is not bad at all so far.
2- No accident, clean Carfax, again one owner, more pluses.
3- Look at the under hood shots. Look at the shocks and surrounding suspension components. Clearly this car was somebody's well-cared for toy, not someone's appliance that was used like a toaster. BIG Pluses!
4- Overall interior is great! However the biggest plus is the condition of the D/side seat bolster. Almost no noticeable wear! I am seeing repetitive signs of well cared for when I look at this car.
5- Michelin pilot sports, spotless drilled rotors, look at the cleanliness of the exhaust pipe peaking out behind the rear tire. These are all conformational of someone using quality parts, not holding back in any way and then maintaining all. Again more and more pluses.


If black was on my list of desired colors, I would select this one either for me or for a customer.
While the price might initially seem a tad high, all of the above more than justifies it.


My only negative, and it is mild and easily correctable , are the swirls and fine scratches in the paint. Black cars are the best when they ARE the best. If not they look forlorn. A few hundred to a good wheel man and this car will look the part as well!


At 28k......


Buy.


Then drive and enjoy!
Marty

[BecauseEYEgotta]

OK, let's look at it this way.
1- One owner car Big plus! in 92 you paid full price or more for these when new. While anyone with money could have bought and abused it, I suspect the opposite is true. Someone who spent 65k or more on this car and kept it for 25 plus years, and kept it in this condition with this mileage, more than likely maintained the car correctly as well.
So that's a big add in price to the 24-25 car gurus pricing tool puts the car at. Yes, 28 is not bad at all so far.
2- No accident, clean Carfax, again one owner, more pluses.
3- Look at the under hood shots. Look at the shocks and surrounding suspension components. Clearly this car was somebody's well-cared for toy, not someone's appliance that was used like a toaster. BIG Pluses!
4- Overall interior is great! However the biggest plus is the condition of the D/side seat bolster. Almost no noticeable wear! I am seeing repetitive signs of well cared for when I look at this car.
5- Michelin pilot sports, spotless drilled rotors, look at the cleanliness of the exhaust pipe peaking out behind the rear tire. These are all conformational of someone using quality parts, not holding back in any way and then maintaining all. Again more and more pluses.


If black was on my list of desired colors, I would select this one either for me or for a customer.
While the price might initially seem a tad high, all of the above more than justifies it.


My only negative, and it is mild and easily correctable , are the swirls and fine scratches in the paint. Black cars are the best when they ARE the best. If not they look forlorn. A few hundred to a good wheel man and this car will look the part as well!


At 28k......


Buy.


Then drive and enjoy!
Marty



Hey Marty
Thanks for your input! Now I just hope someone else doesn’t read this and go swipe it [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[spork2367]

OK, let's look at it this way.
1- One owner car Big plus! in 92 you paid full price or more for these when new. While anyone with money could have bought and abused it, I suspect the opposite is true. Someone who spent 65k or more on this car and kept it for 25 plus years, and kept it in this condition with this mileage, more than likely maintained the car correctly as well.
So that's a big add in price to the 24-25 car gurus pricing tool puts the car at. Yes, 28 is not bad at all so far.
2- No accident, clean Carfax, again one owner, more pluses.
3- Look at the under hood shots. Look at the shocks and surrounding suspension components. Clearly this car was somebody's well-cared for toy, not someone's appliance that was used like a toaster. BIG Pluses!
4- Overall interior is great! However the biggest plus is the condition of the D/side seat bolster. Almost no noticeable wear! I am seeing repetitive signs of well cared for when I look at this car.
5- Michelin pilot sports, spotless drilled rotors, look at the cleanliness of the exhaust pipe peaking out behind the rear tire. These are all conformational of someone using quality parts, not holding back in any way and then maintaining all. Again more and more pluses.


If black was on my list of desired colors, I would select this one either for me or for a customer.
While the price might initially seem a tad high, all of the above more than justifies it.


My only negative, and it is mild and easily correctable , are the swirls and fine scratches in the paint. Black cars are the best when they ARE the best. If not they look forlorn. A few hundred to a good wheel man and this car will look the part as well!


At 28k......


Buy.


Then drive and enjoy!
Marty

All valid points. Which is what makes the car a 24-25k car and not a 18-20k car.

But that sounds like exactly what a dealer would say to get someone to pay 3k plus over current market value.

And that may be worth it to the buyers who don't want to do any amount of leg work to buy a comparable car in a private party sale.

[We Gone]

Very well stated Marty, could not agree more.

[Jagdpanzer]

Very nice and well kept Z.
Appears the front wheels are aftermarket A-molds.
From what I can see rears could be OEM.

[WVZR-1]

Very nice and well kept Z.
Appears the front wheels are aftermarket A-molds.
From what I can see rears could be OEM.

The rear A-mold shows the JWL™ (Japanese Light Wheel) and the front isn't positioned where you can get a good view of the 2d window clock-wise from the valve stem but I'd think it safe to assume these very likely are OE. It seems the owner likely took 0 shortcuts so I doubt the A-mold buy was either.

I'd say it's a pretty damn nice car - cut the miles in half and STILL a damn nice car! If the saw-blades are hanging around better yet. A shame it's not a 2 top car.

[Z51JEFF]

OP,realistically that’s a $24,000 car and that’s if everything on the car works and I mean everything. Everything is seat bladders,all aspects of the stereo system
and most importantly the injectors have been replaced the list goes on. Unless you are dead set on getting this car a little digging will turn up more prospects. You posted this asking for opinions and this is mine. One strong positive for the car is it’s a great color combo and the GM got the tan interior right for 92.

[Young1]

2OK cars easily become 25k cars when items as such need fixin. Bose, bladders, AC, heater core, radiator, vacuum leaks, headlight motors, oil leaks, injectors, plug wires, tires and battery. The items I mentioned have age related failure not necessarily mileage. Paint don't make it run. I purchased a one owner car. If I had taken it to a mechanic I would have spent 3k on it for all the things it needed. Even the shiny ones can be money pits. Check it out well. Be patient too. Walk away if the deal is not right for you. Some guys are waxers and some are drivers. I am the latter. My car is not perfectly detailed. But everything works and runs well and that is what makes me happy.

[Vette73]

Confused yet? Lol...Marty brings out a good point.....A one owner car well taken care of has its advantages....

With that being said,Corvette prices I feel as a whole are down all over, not just the C-4Z...

I bought mine in Nov of 14,stock...Between 10-11 thousand dollars later all performance related, I am where I want to be with the Z....

If I had to do it all over I would check the cars for sale on this registry.....DO NOT let distance be a deturrent....

Some members have some nice modded cars for sale....



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