Door Decals

[SBAquaLT5]

I have a bit of a pickle in that someone that didn't know any better painted/removed the factory driver door jamb decals including the build date and tire loading.
There are a few companies that can recreate these decals I've found, however I need to provide the build date info... I have the OEM build sheet, but I understand that is the order date, not the build date?

Can anyone share how these stickers should be placed, what they would look like on a '93, and where else I could find the build date on the ZR-1?

[-=Jeff=-]

I am interested in this as well.. I don't have mine and it would be a nice to have item

Sorry I am not much help

[We Gone]

I took a pic of mine 91 & 93 just in case something happened to them but have no way to post pics here. PM me your e-mail and I would be glad to share what I have, The vin# and build date will differ on yours also the recommended tire pressure changed.

[WVZR-1]

The vendors that offer the reproductions generally require a digital image of the "old/original" before they'll supply you another. I know of no one that will reproduce one without it. maybe something "similar" but not a duplicate of the original.

Once the car leaves the dealer as a sold unit the certification label actually can't be requisitioned by the dealer. I don't believe that it's changed through the years.

I believe people have attempted "photoshop" for them and have been refused.

I've done many using this company. I actually asked (only once) if I could be accommodated. I guess when I asked I had likely had 3 - 4 dozen orders processed with a commercial account.

http://www.ecsvin.com/order.php

[SBAquaLT5]

I did contact ECS vin and they said they could do it for $120 or something like that. This was before I got my build sheet. They have records of what the 90's GM cars look like, but I would rather them know for sure with a real ZR-1 tag. I have found a couple other sites that do the repro, but several have suggested ECS.

It's worth every penny to get it back on the car the way it should be, I just need to make sure I give them the right data! There's gotta be another build date somewhere on the car...

Thanks guys

[WVZR-1]

I did contact ECS vin and they said they could do it for $120 or something like that. This was before I got my build sheet. They have records of what the 90's GM cars look like, but I would rather them know for sure with a real ZR-1 tag. I have found a couple other sites that do the repro, but several have suggested ECS.

It's worth every penny to get it back on the car the way it should be, I just need to make sure I give them the right data! There's gotta be another build date somewhere on the car...

Thanks guys

Take your VIN to a GM parts department and I believe when they do a SPID request it may still show the mo/yr that the certification label shows. If you ordered the build sheet from NCM then you should have gotten a window sticker also that should validate also mo/yr.

Having a '93 with the low # of builds you should be able I'd think to create the mo/yr from other references by '93 owners.

Good luck with ECS with no snapshot confirmation! Others are only similar - theirs a 'reproduction'.

[WVZR-1]

OP - I had a conversation with friend today regarding your car. Build on a GM inquiry looks like 27 Oct '92 - I have the files if you need. I have BCM codes etc in an easier access than generally the build sheets if you don't know where to look. What date is on your build sheet.

[SBAquaLT5]

OP - I had a conversation with friend today regarding your car. Build on a GM inquiry looks like 27 Oct '92 - I have the files if you need. I have BCM codes etc in an easier access than generally the build sheets if you don't know where to look. What date is on your build sheet.

Thanks! Sent you a PM with the date on my build sheet. If October 27 1992 is build "sticker" build date, that's a big help. You guys are all great.

[WVZR-1]

Thanks! Sent you a PM with the date on my build sheet. If October 27 1992 is build "sticker" build date, that's a big help. You guys are all great.

BLOCK 5 of the OP's BS mentions 92/287 (13 OCT) so if you needed mo/yr for Certification Label creation just take your VIN to a GM dealer and using the GM SI system you should be able to get 'production date' that could be used for accurate reproduction. A BS date near the EOM would certainly I'd think generate a following month production date.

If you have BS already it might be interesting to compare BLOCK 5 dates to the Certification Label on your car.

[SBAquaLT5]

Update on the Door Decal Saga:

We Gone and WVZR-1 were very helpful in sharing their information on build info for 1993 ZR-1 and my car. It turns out entering your VIN at Compnine.com also works as a backup verification for build date. Although My BS indicates 92/287 (13 OCT), the office date(to be placed on door) was two weeks later. A GM dealer will also be able to look up build date and options, but not the GVRW info.

The GVRW on my BS does not match the GVRW on another 1993's Door Tag bringing into question whether build sheet GVRW's are the same as Door Tag GVRW's or if there was actually variation in GVRW #s during the model year production. I also know that some BS GVRW's do match the Door Tag..

Would anyone else(besides Steve) with a '93 be willing to share an image of their Door Tag or can confirm the BS GVRW matches their door??

[WVZR-1]

CompNine is and has been for years a 'subscription service'. Years ago that wasn't so. As a matter of fact the Registry VIN information was built from CompNine and I confirmed some VIN's that that for years had thought to have been builds weren't. I haven't been to the Registry for a few years. For what CompNine can do for you a dealer can do 'for free'.

CompNine might have some value if a person were shopping for a car(any car, most years since early 90's) where you wanted to confirm a build prior to making a trip to check. You could confirm what the seller says is either correct or fictitious.

I mentioned to the OP I believed the BS reference is 'shipping weight' and that I felt Certification Label was based on a compilation from likely 'curb weight'. very different. It would be interesting to compare a few. With the only option being C2L it should be very easy.

What might be interesting would be a '90 comparison, you have C60, C68 and the 1 or 2 top option.

[WARP TEN]

CompNine is and has been for years a 'subscription service'. Years ago that wasn't so. As a matter of fact the Registry VIN information was built from CompNine and I confirmed some VIN's that that for years had thought to have been builds weren't. I haven't been to the Registry for a few years. For what CompNine can do for you a dealer can do 'for free'.

CompNine might have some value if a person were shopping for a car(any car, most years since early 90's) where you wanted to confirm a build prior to making a trip to check. You could confirm what the seller says is either correct or fictitious.

I mentioned to the OP I believed the BS reference is 'shipping weight' and that I felt Certification Label was based on a compilation from likely 'curb weight'. very different. It would be interesting to compare a few. With the only option being C2L it should be very easy.

What might be interesting would be a '90 comparison, you have C60, C68 and the 1 or 2 top option.



Here is a link to Marc Haibeck's Gross Vehicle weight comparison and a discussion on differences between cars. He has a relatively small sample (11 cars) but notes that the main difference in weights is the second top option. Interestingly, my old '95 (#409) with two tops was the second heaviest behind Fred Haraf's '93. Go Figure.--Bob


http://www.zr1specialist.com/HAT%20Web/articles/heavyweight%20discovery.pdf

[WVZR-1]

My 12/89 '90 #653 with C68 - CC3 - 64S (single top) on the Certification Label displays 3920.

Marc has C2L cars mentioned in '90 but no distinction as too if C60 or C68. Since all weights match I'd guess those are C68 cars. It would be interesting maybe to compare '90 with CF7 (solid painted) only with C60 and C68. Not being A Registry Member I can't peek at the production number. Their maybe wasn't any CF7 orders.

I'd think(just a WAG) that there shouldn't be anything lighter than a '90 C60 with CC3.

The OP if his CompNine subscription is valid could inquire VINs both before his and after his to compare. I use a check digit algorithm to create VINs but being a Registry Member he could just use the list.

[SBAquaLT5]

Here is a link to Marc Haibeck's Gross Vehicle weight comparison and a discussion on differences between cars. He has a relatively small sample (11 cars) but notes that the main difference in weights is the second top option. Interestingly, my old '95 (#409) with two tops was the second heaviest behind Fred Haraf's '93. Go Figure.--Bob


http://www.zr1specialist.com/HAT%20Web/articles/heavyweight%20discovery.pdf

That's very interesting. The issue I have is my early '93(Oct 92) Build Sheet #0027, doesn't match any of those GVRW's. When generating a tag, I'm trying to figure which numbers to go off. An Early production two-top 93 or late production '92 two top would be good to verify with.

My Build Sheet
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu333/apexaddict/0027GVWR.png (http://s661.photobucket.com/user/apexaddict/media/0027GVWR.png.html)

Another '93
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu333/apexaddict/ZR1179.png (http://s661.photobucket.com/user/apexaddict/media/ZR1179.png.html)

[WVZR-1]

That's very interesting. The issue I have is my early '93(Oct 92) Build Sheet #0027, doesn't match any of those GVRW's. When generating a tag, I'm trying to figure which numbers to go off. An Early production two-top 93 or late production '92 two top would be good to verify with.



You couldn't use '92 as the wheels changed, '93 has PKE and also the exhaust I believe other than the converters is slightly different.

[SBAquaLT5]

You couldn't use '92 as the wheels changed, '93 has PKE and also the exhaust I believe other than the converters is slightly different.

Agree the weights may be different. I see two questions to resolve, one, if anyone else's build sheet from any year ZR-1 doesn't match their door tag, and second should all dual(C2L) top '93's have the exact same GVWR. In this case 3979lb. Mine being at 3957 fits right in the middle of Haibeck's weight chart.

[WVZR-1]

Agree the weights may be different. I see two questions to resolve, one, if anyone else's build sheet from any year ZR-1 doesn't match their door tag, and second should all dual(C2L) top '93's have the exact same GVWR. In this case 3979lb. Mine being at 3957 fits right in the middle of Haibeck's weight chart.

After seeing Marc's information I believe what you'd like to accomplish is a confirmation of '93 BS and Certification Labels from VINs prior to #150 and hopefully near yours. On very old Registry Owners listings I have there were 3 lower than yours, 2 just a couple higher and several lower than the 150 that's mentioned. At the time of my information I believe Marc had 071.

Being a Registry Member you should have no trouble!

**** Regarding ECS - I believe it would be very interesting for a Registry Officer to contact them and ask regarding Certification Label duplication. When I did business with them as I mentioned I was told NO, I know an NCRS guy who was told NO and I believe he SCREAMED. Did him no good. I had done $4000 + in invoiced purchases likely when I was told no.

Would they consider maybe for an Owners Group vs an individual request? Who knows.

They're business model is the COLLISION INDUSTRY and they've GM Licensing. An exception that's maybe outside their licensing?

i wouldn't push it as an individual and I'd maybe try for an officer to maybe do a more formal inquiry.

Others have similar interest.

[We Gone]

My 93 #179 has a build date of 12/17/92 (was built on my birthday!) I have a replacement BS from the NCM but it does not include the GVWR line as my 91 does? So I can not compare it to the door sticker.