Value of ZR-1 size Dymags?

[shawn8492]

I love the look of Dymags on C4's, and I have found a car that has a set of Dymags that look to be ZR-1 size from the pictures. These are the generation that uses the 88-89 big round center cap to cover the lug nuts.
what are these selling for these days? I may have to buy the whole car to get them, but I have a set of rims I can put on the car and sell it.

I know this sounds crazy, but the car is cheap, and I think I can break even or make a little on it after I change out the Dymags, which gives me a set of Dymags for free.
what are your thoughts?
Thanks,
Shawn

[LGAFF]

Sure they are Dymags? I think ARE made a dymag style wheel

[conesare2seconds]

A good set of 17" Dymags will usually trade between $2-4K with many transactions settling in the 2500-3000 range. The 17x11 size is particularly uncommon. The most recent set for ZR-1 I've seen was offered on eBay about 6 weeks ago. It was a no-sale 3x at an asking price of $6,000.

[LGAFF]

I think 1400 for a nice set of gen 1. I have every generation including the 17x11 and gen 2s and 16s


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[George Maz]

The Dymag you describe may be Gen 1, mostly found as 9.5 inch widths ($2000)

17x9.5 (56mm) & 17x11 (36mm)
...if they are in fact ZR-1 size & offsets then the price jumps up significantly, since those are unicorn rare due to being recalled soon after issue...some owners kept them, maybe less than 10 sets worldwide.
I paid $4500 for my Dymag Gen 1 zr-1 specific set, with Vredestein Sessanta tires. My set came off a ZR-1 in Germany. Mine fit perfectly, without spacers, over oem brakes. They look and feel fantastic.

I passed up an opportunity to buy a perfect original set of Gen ll 17x9.5, because I didn't want to buy the race project corvette they were on for $5500. Stupid mistake, I regret not swapping out the Dymags and selling the car.

Confirm the Dymag's on that car, buy it cheap, sell it cheaper. Glad to help you if you need any photos, measurements.

[LGAFF]

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[George Maz]

Those are the 16" Corvette Challenge Series Dymag wheels. I have a set of those too.
Those were the lightest weight Dymag magnesium race wheels offered.

[conesare2seconds]

I have both gens of 17s. The Gen 1s are on a Callaway and have been refinished. I'd be a buyer for another set at less than $2k but the timing wasn't good on the few sets I've seen, and/or the asking price was over $2k. They're very cool and a good get, go for it.

My Gen 2s are all 17x9.5 and need to be refinished. Probably I'll hang onto them even though they're not useful for the Z. They seldom turn up at any price and I doubt I'll ever afford another set.

The 16s are very nice looking wheels but tire options are so limited they aren't something I need to own. They're very period cool on 87s.

Lee, you have all the cool toys. :)

[George Maz]

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[conesare2seconds]

Must. Stop. Drooling.
Thanks for the pics, George.

[LGAFF]

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[LGAFF]

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[George Maz]

DYMAG GEN 1 (open cap)
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[Vette Guy]

Those are the 16" Corvette Challenge Series Dymag wheels. I have a set of those too.

Those were the lightest weight Dymag magnesium race wheels offered.


I don't know where the 16" Dymags were run, but 88/89 Challenge series ran Gen 1 17" wheels w/o holes for the cooling caps.

Mark


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[LGAFF]

I don't know where the 16" Dymags were run, but 88/89 Challenge series ran Gen 1 17" wheels w/o holes for the cooling caps.

Mark


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16"s were an early dymag option for Callaway

[George Maz]

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[Vette Guy]

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85 - 87 Escort Series.....


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[shawn8492]

Thanks, guys. I am going to call tomorrow. They are asking $5000 for the C4 vert they are on. I am thinking 4-4500, change wheels and still get close to that for the car.

[mgbrv8]

Thanks, guys. I am going to call tomorrow. They are asking $5000 for the C4 vert they are on. I am thinking 4-4500, change wheels and still get close to that for the car.


Fantastic let us know how it goes

Dave

[George Maz]

The info I have for 16x9.5 Dymag of England, made 1987, optional wheel for Callaway Corvette, cost $3000 per set, less than 100 sets made. Color: Dark Argent Silver
These were also used in the SCCA Challenge Series for Camaro.

I paid $2k for near perfect set with original finish, stickers...but still in the boxes as they'll never fit ZR-1.

...i know there's a few more of you dymag addicts out there...lol ...lets see that magnesium!

[George Maz]

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[George Maz]

Shawn, please be aware of copies like these 16" Prime Wheels. EBay item# 272832606420.

Genuine 17" Gen 1 Dymag's will have "DYMAG" and/or "CALLAWAY" casted on the face ...or "Corvette" machine routed. The hub will look like the previously posted pictures, not plain flat like these Prime's.
...not even close to A-molds, ad is wrong.

Damn screenshots won't upload for me, can someone post pics of the prime wheels?

[LGAFF]

Send pics if you buy it


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[henryr]

would love to have a set but cant justify 1/2 the cost of a car....

[shawn8492]

Got in contact with the owner. Going to look at the car tonight. The car looks good in pics, but has not been started in 2 years. She is at $4500 for the car, but I hate to go that much without starting the car. will give an update on the condition of the wheels later.
Shawn

[shawn8492]

The car was awful, been switched to a carb, rear window was out, windows rolled down sitting outside under a blue tarp.
Dymags were zr1 size, and said Corvette and Dymag on them. Some curb rash and paint was flaking off.
I offered 400 and anothet set of wheels and tires, and she didn't accept.
Wheels need refinishing, how high should I go?
I have some pics but cant use my photobucket any more.

[shawn8492]

Update, she was at 3800 for the car. I offered 2000 this morning and she said 3800 was the lowest.
Just offered 1000 for the wheels.
Waiting to hear....

[George Maz]

Bump that offer for the wheels if you have to. The guy I dealt with wouldn't even entertain selling wheels separately, and just like you I didn't want the car.
... if she's willing to deal & swap the wheels I think you're halfway there. Good luck, I hope you get them... they're going to look real nice on your ZR1.

[shawn8492]

Bump that offer for the wheels if you have to. The guy I dealt with wouldn't even entertain selling wheels separately, and just like you I didn't want the car.
... if she's willing to deal & swap the wheels I think you're halfway there. Good luck, I hope you get them... they're going to look real nice on your ZR1.
How much higher should I go and not be in too deep?

[George Maz]

Up to $2k, plus swap wheels, add refinish cost...thats upper limit, I'd say.

[shawn8492]

Thanks, George. I will hit her a little higher if I don't hear from her soon.

[WVZR-1]

OP - without the wheel removed from car and using a rim/wheel caliper, checking casting information or measuring the back-spacing how have you determined these to actually be ZR-1 "sizing"?

[ssrszz4]

An expensive mistake if they don't fit.

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[shawn8492]

They fit correctly on the 86. I have ran ZR-1 offset wheels on early c4's and they fit correctly, so that is what I am basing it on. Also, I think Dymags of this style were only made in two sizes.

It is a gamble.
Shawn

[-=Jeff=-]

Have you heard back from the seller yet?


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[WVZR-1]

They fit correctly on the 86. I have ran ZR-1 offset wheels on early c4's and they fit correctly, so that is what I am basing it on. Also, I think Dymags of this style were only made in two sizes.

It is a gamble.
Shawn

FIT & SIZING ain't the same! You mention "I THINK"! ...I'd think I'd like to be "SURE" - A wheel/rim caliper answers the width question and could be done on the car but it's clutsy.

The wheels could certainly be beyond a simple "refinish" operation and actually require a "RESTORATION" - many $$'s difference "refinish" and "RESTORATION" .. how many can be salvaged inexpensively?

You're correct in this statement though .............. IT'S A GAMBLE !!!

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

If they look "right" on a non ZR-1, then they are quite likely 17 X 9.
Real ZR-1 fitment on a base car would extend out beyond the quarter panel.
That is why ZR-1's have the wider rear, and Grand sports have the eyebrow wheel arch extensions.

More importantly, Dymags are Magnesium wheels, and as such, cannot be easily restored like aluminum wheels. They would melt, yes melt.
They MUST be restored by a company that is experienced in working on magnesium wheels. While such companies are out there, they are not inexpensive.

I agree with an earlier poster who suggested that you be CERTAIN of what you may be getting.
Good Luck!
:cheers:
Marty

[efnfast]

Are Dymags really magnesium? Don't let them catch on fire.

[LGAFF]

yep all magnesium....its magnesium dust that typically starts a fire.

[ssrszz4]

Magnesium wheels where famous for catching fire when planes had a blow out.

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[32valvesftw]

Have seen it with my own 2 eyes, magnesium wheels burn and are not easily extinguished.

[GOLDCYLON]

I most be the only guy here that is not a fan of dymags. They look ok but thats about it for me. To the OP please keep in mind the refinishing cost on these I assume at the ole wheel shoppe ? I think that would drive my decision as well before I would lay down more than 2k for a set of wheels that need to be refinished. Unless $3 to 3.5 K is a bargain?

[LGAFF]

Special equipment or buried in sand....but they are not uncommon, aircraft, C5 corvette had them also....and a lot of engine parts are magnesium and shops weld on them all the time. I had mine refinished by a local PC shop and no issues years ago.....and their shop didn't burn down:)


Have seen it with my own 2 eyes, magnesium wheels burn and are not easily extinguished.

[GOLDCYLON]

Special equipment or buried in sand....but they are not uncommon, aircraft, C5 corvette had them also....and a lot of engine parts are magnesium and shops weld on them all the time. I had mine refinished by a local PC shop and no issues years ago.....and their shop didn't burn down:)

What's the refinishing cost on these Lee?

[LGAFF]

I painted the set of my gen IIs for $50 and powedercoated my Gen Is for $150...lol

[LGAFF]

You can do a conversion coating on these with this....although google mag wheels on ebay....there are some ancient sets of old mag wheels off dragsters stil in great shape

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/prekotesurface.php

[GOLDCYLON]

I painted the set of my gen IIs for $50 and powedercoated my Gen Is for $150...lol

Well that's mighty cheap

[LGAFF]

I'm a cheap bastard......

I paid...
$390 for my Gen IIS
$570 for 10 dymags.....that was the shipping cost
$900 for a set of unused challenge dymags and a 17X11
$500 for a set of 16" dymags

[GOLDCYLON]

I'm a cheap bastard......

I paid...
$390 for my Gen IIS
$570 for 10 dymags.....that was the shipping cost
$900 for a set of unused challenge dymags and a 17X11
$500 for a set of 16" dymags

I would say your a lucky ba$tard, know a great deal when you see one and are willing to do the hard work yourself. Nothing but respect.. Lee you did well

[efnfast]

I'm a cheap bastard......

I paid...
$390 for my Gen IIS
$570 for 10 dymags.....that was the shipping cost
$900 for a set of unused challenge dymags and a 17X11
$500 for a set of 16" dymags
Cheap SOB:dancing

[George Maz]

I like Lee's pricing better!
Aside from rarity, getting someone to part with a set, even a single wheel is a challenge.
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My Gen2 17x9.5 needs three more, preferably 11" rears.
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*rim width measured from inside beadlock to inside beadlock.

[WVZR-1]

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*rim width measured from inside beadlock to inside beadlock.

It's much more practical if there's no tire on the rim/wheel to just measure TWW (Total Wheel Width) and subtract 1". For nearly all alloy wheels this will work to easily arrive at the advertised/effective wheel width.

It's also a "mistake" made by many when measuring wheels and mentioning the width when selling.

George -

TWW - 1" might result in a dimension much closer to the 9 1/2" your wheel actually is. The clip on the tape and slight taper of the "bead seat" appears to skew the actual dimensions.

[George Maz]

Yes, your exactly right.

This particular rim was advertised & sold to me as a 17x11 after I was very specific about not being interested in 9.5 size. The seller ultimately gave me a partial refund after refusing return & refund ...won't be doing business with that guy ever again. (corvette forum)
Confirm your item in detail, before you pluck down your hard-earned cash.

And I just found out the lug hole size on this is larger race studs... it's on its way to becoming a garden hose reel. Sheesh! these Dymags sure keep ya guessing what you have.

[-=Jeff=-]

I remember when you could buy the Gen 2 wheels at Mid America..

[LGAFF]

You could buy all of them from MAD. They coordinated bringing the dymags over for the challenge series. I think they were 795 per


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[George Maz]

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[LGAFF]

You can run 315s on the Gen I......17X9.5s....might be able to on Gen IIs

[Vette73]

Why so much ? Jeez.....

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[shawn8492]

Still working on the deal. Hopefully will have more to report tomorrow.
Shawn