Gearbox Shift Times

[ZRapid-1]

Amazing how fast automatic gearboxes are now shifting.
Another reason why manual transmissions may not be around in the future.


For comparison, a good manual shift time is ~500 milliseconds.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time#cite_note-DSG-2


Gearbox shift times (Fastest to slowest)

Bugatti Veyron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron) (DSG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox)): 8 ms
AUDI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUDI) (DSG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox))(Also S-TRONIC): 8 ms
Volkswagen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen) (DSG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox))(Also S-TRONIC): 8 ms
Alfa Romeo Mito (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Mito) & Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Giulietta_(2010)) Dual Dry Clutch Transmission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_clutch_transmission) TCT: 8 ms
Lamborghini Aventador (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Aventador) LP 700-4 [Single clutch ISR gearbox]: 50ms
Ferrari 430 Scuderia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_430_Scuderia): 60 ms
Maserati GranTurismo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_GranTurismo) MC Stradale 2016: 60ms
BMW M5 E60 with SMG III (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M5#E60_M5_.282005.E2.80.932010.29): 250 - 65 ms
BMW M3 E46 with SMG II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3#E46_M3): 80 ms
BMW M3 E92 with M-DCT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3#E92_M3): 80 ms
Ferrari FXX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_FXX): 100 ms
Drag car (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_racing): 100 ms
Maserati GranTurismo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_GranTurismo) S Cambiocorsa: 100 ms
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLS_AMG): 100 ms
Automatic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission)/semi-automatic transmission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission): 100 ms
Clio RS EDC 200 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clio_RS_EDC_200&action=edit&redlink=1): 150 ms (race mode)
Enzo Ferrari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari_(car)): 150 ms
Nissan GT-R (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R): 150 ms (R Mode)
FXX Evoluzione (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_FXX): 160 ms
Lexus LFA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_LFA): 200 ms
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro_(fifth_generation)#ZL1): 200 ms
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_360_Challenge_Stradale) & Ferrari F430 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F430): 250 ms
Audi TT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_TT) Quattro 3.2 (Direct Shift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox)): 200 ms
BMW M3 E36 with SMG I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3#E36_M3): 250 ms
Aston Martin Vanquish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Vanquish): 250 ms
The fastest (Race gearbox) manual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_gearbox): 250 ms
Ferrari 575M (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_575M): 280 ms

[rush91]

It is amazing what Manufactures are doing with automatic transmissions now. The new 10 speeds developed between GM and Ford, I haven't heard a bad word about them. So let me ask you all a question........If you had a chance to buy the new ZR1 or the Mid engine Vette coming soon, and it offered an automatic, would you go auto?? It can shift insanely faster than any human, never misses a shift, and makes the car faster. Or do you think not rowing your own gears in a Corvette is just Blasphemy......... In my opinion, I don't mind an auto, if it makes the car faster. That may make me a goober, but a goober with a faster car than yours :)

[Ccmano]

Yes, amazing. I drove a buddies C7 Z06 a while back and the shifts, particularly the down shifts, were virtually instantaneous! With new cars I'm all for whatever makes it faster. The manual trans is really already a thing of the past as will be the internal combustion engine. That... I will miss.
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[lfalzarano]

Agree!


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[Paul Workman]

I test drove a BMW M6 turbo w/ an auto which had multiple driving modes.

We did the "Auto X" course in "Competition". I never once felt like it was on the wrong gear! If the shush box is like that one, I'd take the auto in my Z.
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[efnfast]

No no no. Faster ok, but that was one of two requirements when buying my car.

[ssrszz4]

I will beat the computer i know i can i Know i can.

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[ZRapid-1]

After the gear change is made, the engine RPM has to change to match the new gear ratio - or the clutch slips - or the tires spin.

Reducing the RPM drops needed between shifts will help. The creates the need for more gears.

Looks like the 2018 mustang is taking this approach.

2018 Ford Mustang GT gets to 60 in under 4 seconds - but only when equipped with the new 10 speed automatic transmission

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/hades-horse-2018-ford-mustang-gt-gets-60-under-4-seconds

[Kevin]

It is amazing what Manufactures are doing with automatic transmissions now. The new 10 speeds developed between GM and Ford, I haven't heard a bad word about them. So let me ask you all a question........If you had a chance to buy the new ZR1 or the Mid engine Vette coming soon, and it offered an automatic, would you go auto?? It can shift insanely faster than any human, never misses a shift, and makes the car faster. Or do you think not rowing your own gears in a Corvette is just Blasphemy......... In my opinion, I don't mind an auto, if it makes the car faster. That may make me a goober, but a goober with a faster car than yours :)

DSG yes, auto no. 2 clutches = 1clutch > torque converter

[Bob Eyres]

I'm an old gearjammer from way back, but these new automatics seem to me the best of both worlds. More speeds to keep engine at best rpm, torque converter for smoother launch, much easier in stop' go traffic. They match rpm when downshifting. What's not to like?
Well, it's weight, autos in the past have always been heavy lumps. And durability, but my ZF6 is the only component I've rebuilt TWICE, and it is surely no lightweight at over 150lbs.
The "tiptronic" in my 335i made me a believer.
My vote is for the auto, but others will differ, maybe they still prefer carburetors too.


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[Hog]

It is amazing what Manufactures are doing with automatic transmissions now. The new 10 speeds developed between GM and Ford, I haven't heard a bad word about them. So let me ask you all a question........If you had a chance to buy the new ZR1 or the Mid engine Vette coming soon, and it offered an automatic, would you go auto?? It can shift insanely faster than any human, never misses a shift, and makes the car faster. Or do you think not rowing your own gears in a Corvette is just Blasphemy......... In my opinion, I don't mind an auto, if it makes the car faster. That may make me a goober, but a goober with a faster car than yours :)
I asked the same question as it pertains to the new ZR1. As the new ZR1 will probably be the first Zr1 ever offered with an automatic torque converter equipped transmission.
Here is the thread for your perusal.
http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27850




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The new autos are often quicker in the 1/4, but the manuals still more power to the ground than the automatics(ie less parasitic power loss) which is why the trap speeds in the 1/4 are usually higher.

[lfalzarano]

The argument is irrelevant [emoji6] Who ever gets to the finish line in 1/4 or road race wins.


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[ssrszz4]

It is rumored that the Porsche flat six is dead they will go hybrid a la 918

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[tpepmeie]

I've experienced the thump of 60ms (#6 on the list). It is unreal.

[efnfast]

Shifting gears is part of the deal. I'll take the disadvantage, I like shifting.

[ZR1North]

All so true re the automatics!!! BUT, I still took the manual option on my new Z06, and putting it in "rev match'' mode for downshifting is one of the reasons I will purposefully forget the milk when going to the corner store as an excuse to make the second trip.

[Regimof]

I've been in a few cars with the flappy paddle gear boxes and they are faster. No doubt.

I'll never choose one though. Rowing your own gears is just flat out more fun and if you do it right, it's a bit of an art. A dying one.

I guess better isn't always... better.

[AnthonyGS]

I will keep banging gears as long as I'm able. It's part of the fun for me. My daily is a new 8 spd auto with a hemi. It's quick but if I'm driving it for fun I want to shift. And my carb'd Vette is for sale. I'm an EFI guy but I row the gears too.

[ssrszz4]

I always wanted to drive a '67 427 tri power Vette with the 2 speed power glide to see what it was like.

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