About White Racing Products.

[Kenji]

Hi,Guys.

My name is Kenji.I live in Japan,and I purchased '95 year model ZR-1 in 1995 and still owns it.

Improvement of oil leak from engine and engine painting which was damaged are improved now.
There are parts that need to be replaced in order to do work, and we have decided to procure parts with some ZR-1 special shops.
One of the shops was White Racing Products.
I ordered parts from the Web shop and settled in Paypal, but there was no contact from the shop at all and there was no contact with the inquiries at all.
After all, since there was no contact for many inquiries and the parts did not reach, I applied for complaints to Paypal and was refunded.

Now that many of the parts of ZR - 1 have been discontinued, the parts that White Racing Products stocks are very valuable.

But why does not the part arrive even though ordering and payment are completed? Why can not you contact them?

Perhaps the company is on the verge of bankruptcy？
Does anyone have information about White Racing Products?

If you know something, could you please tell me?

Best regards.

Kenji.

[RussMcB]

Kenji,

Thanks for sharing.

I had a similar experience a year ago. White Racing's website had the part I needed, I placed the order but it didn't arrive after a reasonable time (and I'm only a US state away from them). It took many attempts to contact them but was able to get a refund. It was not a pleasant experience and I lost a lot of time.

[G8nightman]

Why don't you try calling him? his site is not up to date on a lot of parts listed.

[WARP TEN]

Or better yet contact Jerry at Jerry's gaskets--he has lots of parts for LT5s or Mark Haibeck who should be able to help on some things. If they don't have things you need they can probably tell you who has them. Or alternatively, post here on the forum what you need and maybe someone will come up with them. Good luck with your efforts--the '95 is a great car that deserves to run well.--Bob

[lfalzarano]

White Racing Products
13329 W. Hillsborough Ave
Tampa FL 33635
(813) 854-4203

sales@whiteracingproducts.com
Use this simple form to reach us:

During regular business hours it's best to reach us by tel. However for after hours, use this contact us page. Our staff are able to check emails during extended business hours and occasionally on weekends.

Hours of operation:

M-F 9am - 6pm
Sat 9am - 1pm
Sun Closed (We can respond though via email)
We respond by email within 24 hours, most times sooner.


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[RussMcB]

Why don't you try calling him? his site is not up to date on a lot of parts listed.Right. Just set the alarm for the middle of the night and make the long distance calls from Japan.


It's not expecting too much to receive a product that has been paid for, or to let you know your order will be late, or may never come, or to respond to multiple emails.


In my case, it took a LOT of phone calls before a person answered. They apologized and gave a refund, but I was 2+ weeks without the part I needed.


I do agree with the suggestion of dealing with Jerry or Marc. They are both great.

[Z51JEFF]

Hi Kenji,what are you looking for? If it would be helpful somebody on this side can help get the part and then forward it to you with the exception of WHITE RACING PRODUCTS. I don't do business with Kurt White for obvious reasons.

[G8nightman]

Right. Just set the alarm for the middle of the night and make the long distance calls from Japan.


It's not expecting too much to receive a product that has been paid for, or to let you know your order will be late, or may never come, or to respond to multiple emails.


In my case, it took a LOT of phone calls before a person answered. They apologized and gave a refund, but I was 2+ weeks without the part I needed.


I do agree with the suggestion of dealing with Jerry or Marc. They are both great.

I had a problem as well was resolved with a phone call I guess some people are luckier then others. You can send an email as well.

[RussMcB]

I prefer dealing with venders that don't require good luck. :-)

[G8nightman]

I prefer dealing with venders that don't require good luck. :-)



Cool.


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[Flyman 27]

Hi Kenji,what are you looking for? If it would be helpful somebody on this side can help get the part and then forward it to you with the exception of WHITE RACING PRODUCTS. I don't do business with Kurt White for obvious reasons.

I agree, there are a lot of helpful people here on the Forum, post a list of what you need an I am positive you will get lots of help here.

[PhillipsLT5]

http://www.jerrysgaskets.com/

[mgbrv8]

Speaking personally I avoid that company from past experience, that is all

Dave

[RussMcB]

I just did a Google Search on "White Racing Products". Lots of bad experiences pop up on the first page of hits.

Admittedly, some are old (2003, 2004), and some people have been happy with what they've bought.

Other people mentioned BBB complaints.

My hunch is he has/had high quality parts/knowledge in the past, but the service is so sporadic, and awful at times, why risk it (if you can get what you need from someone with a good reputation)?

[Kenji]

Kenji,

Thanks for sharing.

I had a similar experience a year ago. White Racing's website had the part I needed, I placed the order but it didn't arrive after a reasonable time (and I'm only a US state away from them). It took many attempts to contact them but was able to get a refund. It was not a pleasant experience and I lost a lot of time.

Hi,RussMcB.

Thank you for your reply.
You also had trouble with the acquisition of parts of ZR.
A few years ago when I ordered parts for White Racing Products, the parts arrived safely to me. But this time I got a very disappointing result.

[Kenji]

Why don't you try calling him? his site is not up to date on a lot of parts listed.

Hi,G8nightman.

Thank you for your reply.
Why am I not contacted by phone? My English conversation skills are low, so for me it is difficult to communicate by phone.
I attempted to contact the auto parts supplier to Japan for contact with White Racing Products.
After all he also did not get in touch with White Racing Products.

[Kenji]

Or better yet contact Jerry at Jerry's gaskets--he has lots of parts for LT5s or Mark Haibeck who should be able to help on some things. If they don't have things you need they can probably tell you who has them. Or alternatively, post here on the forum what you need and maybe someone will come up with them. Good luck with your efforts--the '95 is a great car that deserves to run well.--Bob

Hi,Bob.Thank you for your reply.
Yes!I know Jerry's Gaskets,I bought a lot of parts from him for this repair.
However, there were parts not listed on the Web-Site of Jerry's Gaskets.
（for example,camshaft position sensor,and secondary vacuum hose kit
)
So I ordered parts for White Racing Products.

Jerry's Gaskets, I trust very much. I am grateful to him for his prompt and courteous correspondence.

[Kenji]

White Racing Products
13329 W. Hillsborough Ave
Tampa FL 33635
(813) 854-4203

sales@whiteracingproducts.com
Use this simple form to reach us:

During regular business hours it's best to reach us by tel. However for after hours, use this contact us page. Our staff are able to check emails during extended business hours and occasionally on weekends.

Hours of operation:

M-F 9am - 6pm
Sat 9am - 1pm
Sun Closed (We can respond though via email)
We respond by email within 24 hours, most times sooner.


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Hi,lfalzarano.

Thank you for your reply.
I not only contacted the e-mail address many times, but also mailed Mr. Kurt White, but there was no reply.

[Kenji]

Hi Kenji,what are you looking for? If it would be helpful somebody on this side can help get the part and then forward it to you with the exception of WHITE RACING PRODUCTS. I don't do business with Kurt White for obvious reasons.

Hi,Z51JEFF

Thank you for your reply.
During the repair this time, my mechanic dropped LT 5 from ZR.
And he changed many Gaskets, Seal, various sensors, Fuel Injector an more...
and painted the engine.
However, camshaft-sensor and Vacuum hose rebuild kit could not be obtained. The mechanics decided to use parts that I used to date for camshaft-sensor. Vacuum Hose also decided to remodel the parts so far and use it.
I would like to use new parts if possible. Because these parts are parts that have been operated while being exposed to high temperature conditions for a long time, I judged that it would be better to replace them at this time.

And I think that I want my son to keep on riding my ZR-1.

[Kenji]

I agree, there are a lot of helpful people here on the Forum, post a list of what you need an I am positive you will get lots of help here.

Hi,Flyman.

Thank you for your reply.
I am pleased with your advice in this forum.

[Kenji]

http://www.jerrysgaskets.com/

Hi,PhillipsLT5

Yes.I know Jerry's Gasket. me and my friend also procures a lot of parts with Jerry's Gaskets.
My friend bought new LT5 motor from him.

[spork2367]

I bought (or tried to buy) from White Racing a couple years ago. Two weeks went by with no contact. By the time I finally got in contact, they told me the part was out of stock. Umm...then update the website. I'm not in the habit of giving out interest free loans to strangers.

All my experiences with Jerry's have been prompt and correct. He has also gone out of his way to provide me with information.

[Zrracer]

If a company could get one hundred percent negative comments it would he Kirt's.
what a joke of a guy. He has done this for years.

[Kenji]

I bought (or tried to buy) from White Racing a couple years ago. Two weeks went by with no contact. By the time I finally got in contact, they told me the part was out of stock. Umm...then update the website. I'm not in the habit of giving out interest free loans to strangers.

All my experiences with Jerry's have been prompt and correct. He has also gone out of his way to provide me with information.

Hi,spork2367

Thank you for your reply.
I think that a company that opens online shopping should respond promptly to updating the availability of parts and always inquiring from purchasers.
I was disappointed in correspondence of White Racing products.

I also purchase good parts with Jerry's Gaskets. I am very thankful for his swift and polite response. He also responded very well also in my procurement of parts this time.

[lfalzarano]

Update on Kurt White from an email he sent me.

"I moved to Europe, so most of my orders either get cancelled if my local warehouse in Tampa doesn’t stock ,or I can’t drop ship. So yes, I moved on from the ZR-1 stuff, I get messages from time to time, and never answer the phone because I don’t live there anymore.

I cancel 80% of all orders now, just no more stock, wish I could sell the stuff, but just don’t have it.

Best.

Kurt"

So we need to shop elsewhere as suggested to Jerry's or Marc's.


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[S.hafsmo]

Well that kinda sucks. Sure, I do prefer purchasing from the above mentioned, but Kurt has (had?) quite a lot of parts others were lacking. Perhaps Jerry could get a good deal on the remaining stock if Kurt wants out?

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[lfalzarano]

Hope so.


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[rush91]

I've never heard of that site.....I'll stick with the excellent service and parts from Jerry's and Marc H. But this is why this site rocks, passing along helpful info for other members

[mgbrv8]

Just for personal interest I google him and his company and if you think the bad experiences are only us it goes alot further it seems he sells Lamborghini parts also and those guys are furious

Dave

[spork2367]

Well that kinda sucks. Sure, I do prefer purchasing from the above mentioned, but Kurt has (had?) quite a lot of parts others were lacking. Perhaps Jerry could get a good deal on the remaining stock if Kurt wants out?

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He's still probably got 15k worth of stuff listed on eBay. I wonder how much of that stuff even exists?

[jss06c6]

He needs to take his site down!!😠

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[Blue Flame Restorations]

All, I have asked Kurt to let me know if he s no longer in the ZR-1 parts business. I am waiting on a response.

Brett Henderson
ZR-1.Net Registry Forum Administrator

[Ccmano]

He is still posting ZR-1 parts on eBay As of today....
H

[Kenji]

Everyone, thank you for your comment.
Regrettable results on the subject of White Racing Products this time were disappointing, but my mind settled down a little because of kind comments from many people.
Thank you very much.

The other day the oil leak repair was over, the engine paint finished, the LT 5 was reloaded.

[PhillipsLT5]

All, I have asked Kurt to let me know if he s no longer in the ZR-1 parts business. I am waiting on a response.



Brett Henderson

ZR-1.Net Registry Forum Administrator



Thank you, great idea, I remember the time when Tom Henry Chevy or Kurt was all we had


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[samgallagher]

Well, I am still crying in my beer. I sent Kurt my 1990 original radio to be rebuilt. I got his name and number from our ZR-1net site. Did not bother to check it out. I was in a rush, called White Jul 1st, he answered said he would rebuild it and return in 5 business days. Days go by, would not pick up or return emails. Now I see he has skipped town stealing from people like me. I have not been burnt like this and it hurts. My car is a 4 star cross flag award with 10,700 original miles. I would appreciate any input on sourcing another am/fm cassette cd radio in immaculate working condition.

[Z51JEFF]

If he is in fact out of the ZR-1 parts business we are all better off,the guy was just a scammer and sooner or later karma will bite this guy in the a$$,it always does.

[PhillipsLT5]

Well, I am still crying in my beer. I sent Kurt my 1990 original radio to be rebuilt. I got his name and number from our ZR-1net site. Did not bother to check it out. I was in a rush, called White Jul 1st, he answered said he would rebuild it and return in 5 business days. Days go by, would not pick up or return emails. Now I see he has skipped town stealing from people like me. I have not been burnt like this and it hurts. My car is a 4 star cross flag award with 10,700 original miles. I would appreciate any input on sourcing another am/fm cassette cd radio in immaculate working condition.

http://www.doctordons.com/
Legit!

[samgallagher]

Thank you for responding. I sent then an email asking if they have one. Reading their website sounds like they do repairs only.
Regards,

[WVZR-1]

Well, I am still crying in my beer. I sent Kurt my 1990 original radio to be rebuilt. I got his name and number from our ZR-1net site. Did not bother to check it out. I was in a rush, called White Jul 1st, he answered said he would rebuild it and return in 5 business days. Days go by, would not pick up or return emails. Now I see he has skipped town stealing from people like me. I have not been burnt like this and it hurts. My car is a 4 star cross flag award with 10,700 original miles. I would appreciate any input on sourcing another am/fm cassette cd radio in immaculate working condition.

The July 1 you mention is 2017?

I don't know that you could consider your self "a victim" yet! Did you take snapshots of your radio? there's Delco information on I believe 2 sides.

I have a likely donor if needed. My face-plate/bezel is certainly 100% and all of the knob/button script is 100%.

Sam - I sent you an email.

[Dynomite]

All, I have asked Kurt to let me know if he s no longer in the ZR-1 parts business. I am waiting on a response.

Brett Henderson
ZR-1.Net Registry Forum Administrator
:happy1:

[ssrszz4]

Maybe the missing radio is on ebay

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[Blue Flame Restorations]

To date, I have heard nothing from Kurt. I can only assume he is out of the ZR-1 parts business. As such, there will be no more "For Sale" or "Services" items allowed to be listed from White racing Products without Administrator permission until further notice.

[Ccmano]

The registry site has numerous references and ads. I believe those should be deleted until this matter is resolved. Makes me wonder about the hundreds of parts he has listed on EBay.
H

[RussMcB]

What is the eBay seller name for Kurt/White Racing? I'm interested to see his rating and comments.

Thanks.

[Z51JEFF]

He does operate under a different name,bought a bogus part from somebody and it was his address but not sure how to find it,it was on ebay.

[samgallagher]

Here is an update on my radio and experience with Kurt White (KW).

Bottomline, I have my radio. No thanks to KW. Someone on the forum suggested I check on eBay for a way to contact him. I did and he responded Jul 14th. He offered no excuses, no mention that he has moved overseas, no sorry...nothing.

I was able to track down were he sent my radio from a fellow forum member & really appreciate that. I contacted the business. The owner was pleased to hear from me because he had mine and another client's radio and was not able to get in contact with Kurt. He experienced the same thing as me. He just placed my radio on the shelf not knowing who the customer was. Yes, I paid for the radio directly and received 2nd day priority. Now, I get an email from Kurt via eBay wanting me to mail him a check for more than double what I paid the shop to make the repairs. He again never offers apologies, or ways to make amends. I have not responded and will not.

A fellow forum member stand up for him, and let me know he is not a crook. Well, he may not be a crook but is a terrible business man. Put your self in my shoes where you were told 5 business days, after 9 business days I called and emailed KW numerous times. No response. You call the business in Tampa, and you get a recording that the voice mail box is full. I even called local businesses surrounding the address trying to find out if there was any activity for KW business. So, weeks go by and decided to reach out to ZR-1 Net forum members. Then you hear he packed up and moved overseas. You think the worst.

I have learned some valuable lessons and appreciate the help and support from fellow members. Some members even offered spare radios and sources to locate a replacement.

I do request that members respect the situation and is a matter between me and KW.

[rkreigh]

kurt showed an lt5 short block service?? maybe the missing word here is service

buy from Jerry and be done with it or expect a goose chase pass

what do you need?

we'll help you Kenji, it's what we do:cheers:

[Ccmano]

kurt showed an lt5 short block service??


I saw that on eBay too. For a completely rebuilt long block (not a short block) $4900 plus a $3500 core charge if I'm not mistaken. Has anyone actually bought one of these?
H
:cheers:

[Hog]

The registry site has numerous references and ads. I believe those should be deleted until this matter is resolved. Makes me wonder about the hundreds of parts he has listed on EBay.
H
I was just about to post about the actual Registry site. Its listed right on the front page under the "Parts are Available".

[spork2367]

To add a recent experience. Made an offer on some zr1 parts he had listed on ebay. He accepted the offer, but there was no payment method listed. I sent him two messages about sending a paypal invoice. One never came. He then filed an unpaid item claim against me. I asked two more times for a paypal invoice, which was never received. Ebay wasn't real interested, so I filed a claim against him for not receiving the item. Magically, the claim against me was dropped.

Never did receive an invoice, parts are still listed on ebay.

I'd be seriously curious as to what parts are actually left and who is managing things.

[RussMcB]

Yeah, it's pretty tempting when you see he (claims to) have a part you need, but (for me), there is zero reason to attempt to buy something from him. 99.9% chance of disappointment, delays, hassle ...

[spork2367]

Yeah, it's pretty tempting when you see he (claims to) have a part you need, but (for me), there is zero reason to attempt to buy something from him. 99.9% chance of disappointment, delays, hassle ...

Unfortunately it's for a part I haven't seen elsewhere, the seals for the secondary throttle shafts.

[Ccmano]

It’s a shame really. He was a good source and supporter for a long time. I agree, I wonder what stock he has left.
H
:cheers:

[Z51JEFF]

I’ve got a friend that needed a rear inner wheel well liner. Nobody had it and White Racing Products did @$180 so my friend bid on it on eBay. Kurt White removed the item and jacked the price up to well over $250 and still tried to sell it. I did some digging and found the part for $78 shipped.

[Dynomite]

It’s a shame really. He was a good source and supporter for a long time. I agree, I wonder what stock he has left.
H
:cheers:

On Ebay if you search "see other items" for "whiteracingproductsllc_nos" you will find about 278,000 items (not sure how much is in stock) :p

[Ccmano]

On Ebay if you search "see other items" for "whiteracingproductsllc_nos" you will find about 278,000 items (not sure how much is in stock) :p

True... but if you look closely the vast majority of those 278,000 are not ZR-1 items. He sells parts for other largely GM cars as well. Given the issues people have experienced it would appear his ZR-1 stock is questionable.
H
:cheers:

[RussMcB]

It's a little surprising that his ebay rating is 98.6%. There are only 13 negative feedbacks in the past year (I would have thought there'd be more), but they all sound like our experiences here.

"Never got item. Worst seller in my 12 years eBay experience. Ignores all my MSG"

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=whiteracingproductsllc_nos&myworld=true&items=25&iid=-1&de=off&which=negative&interval=365

[spork2367]

WAKE UP AMERICA

Here is a trick :)
Locate items from other commercial vendors (Lots and Lots of items).
List those items on Ebay at double the cost.
List Lots and Lots of items (some ZR1 related).....say nearly 278,000 items.
When the item is bought....have the commercial vendor ship the item to the Ebay Buyer.
If you sell a very small portion of what you are listing at double the price
with NO storage, packaging, or handling costs....you make a ton of money :cheers:

Now.....since you are selling other Commercial Vendors items at double the price, you have no way of knowing his inventory or shipping habits and from time to time will not be able to produce the Commercial Vendors item you sold on Ebay......so what.....you just go with the flow as the money keeps rolling in from the 278,000 items you are listing :D

Lets say you sell on Ebay 1% of the items each week (not each day folks) that would be 2,780 items each week at double the cost (you making bucks on shipping as well as the item) say you make $10 an item. That would be $27,800 each week times 52 would be a 1-1/2 million a year :sign10:

Then you move out of the country so you do not have to pay taxes :D
You can do this trick from anywhere in the world as you do not have inventory, or place of business :cheers:

Except we know, that with a certain amount of the obsolete parts he does sell, like the zr1 parts, what’s left is stocked in a warehouse in FL.

[Scrrem]

Yeah and the parts in that FL warehouse are not in a climate controlled environment. The first set of main bearings I purchased were full of rust. He made good and replaced them and requested the old ones back. Not sure why.
Rich

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

I'm sorry.
I do not understand.
Would someone kindly explain why anyone within this organization, knowing what has simply been said within this thread, would anyone buy from a company like this?
Marty

[Scrrem]

I'm sorry.
I do not understand.
Would someone kindly explain why anyone within this organization, knowing what has simply been said within this thread, would anyone buy from a company like this?
Marty

Marty
There was a time when Kurt had a good name and was a reliable supplier. But those days are long gone.
Rich

[RussMcB]

Would someone kindly explain why anyone within this organization, knowing what has simply been said within this thread, would anyone buy from a company like this?
MartyAt this point, probably no good reason, unless you were local and could see what you were getting before paying for it.


In the past, it seemed like he may have some inventory not readily available anywhere else. That was why I ordered from him. But now I think everyone knows there is a good chance the transaction will not be satisfying.

[spork2367]

I'm sorry.
I do not understand.
Would someone kindly explain why anyone within this organization, knowing what has simply been said within this thread, would anyone buy from a company like this?
Marty

He has parts listed that simply aren't available anywhere else. That's it.

[KILLSHOTS]

He has parts listed that simply aren't available anywhere else. That's it.


Yeah, unfortunately, most of the parts he has listed aren't available from him either. I noticed this 4 years ago when I was searching for stuff for my Z. This guy should not be taken seriously.

[WVZR-1]

I've done 'follow-up' sales to a few people that KW screwed.

2 instances he took the money and then after a 2 week wait he drop shipped the 'wrong' part from an eBay purchase he made after he took the guys money. He made no effort to do anything until his customer started to scream 'WHERE'S MY PART' The guy KW bought it from included the invoice in the package that he drop shipped. Best I recall KW sold the part for $100+ dollars more than he had paid for the part. It took that guy close to 90 days to get his money refunded.

He doubted I had the correct part because I wasn't charging enough.

The second sale was another wrong part he sold and drop shipped with very similar circumstances.

It's got to be terrible I'd think to go through life knowing that your so hated.

[Z51JEFF]

I'm sorry.
I do not understand.
Would someone kindly explain why anyone within this organization, knowing what has simply been said within this thread, would anyone buy from a company like this?
Marty

I feel the same way Marty,how many of us have been scammed by this guy? A few years ago he scammed me on an NOS part and when I called him out on it I got criticized for it. Years ago this guy had a group buy on some new ZR-1 windshields and a guy I know in my area went in on it and bought one. Never got his windshield or a refund. I don’t know how most feel about screwing people over like this but I’d hate going go through life knowing I’d pi$$ed so many people by stealing from them.