And you think ZR-1 prices are down?

[Vette73]

Happen to be watching Mecum ...Could be a repeat but it's from this year in Portland Oregan.....

An 01 Mercedes S600 blk/blk V-12 , car looked beautiful, just sold for 5,500 dollars.....Sticker price in 01 was 121,000 dollars....

So cheer up everybody....Lol...

[Mystic ZR-1]

Don't worry, whoever bought it for $5500 will spend
the remainder of the $121000 the 1st time he takes it to
the Mercedes dealer for any kind of maintenance or repairs!!!
😋

[-=Jeff=-]

Yeah just ask Lee for the cost of repairs for those fine Automobiles


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[32valvesftw]

True statements all, I used to have a E39 M5 and it was expensive to work on, so a V12 Benz will probably be even higher. However the S550 is a really nice car, if you about have 3 - 5 K a year for repairs its a great deal. After 3 years you spend accord money on one of the best cars in the world. The trick is you need to find the right person to work on it or do it your self.

[LGAFF]

5500 in parts so far on my V12 TT 05 Sl600; 55K mile car

doing the 2nd ABC pump in 2 months(Dealer charges 7K for the repair)

Coil packs are 1400 a piece 750

24 spark plugs...dealer is 1200

Shocks are 500 rebuilt

Intercooler Pump is 1200 at the dealer, did it myself 120

valve body rebuild, did it myself $43 1200 at the dealer


If I didn't do the work the bill would be 15-20K right now

Insane power, built my own intake so should be 630-650hp and 700-730ft lbs

[LGAFF]

oh and motor mounts require an engine pull

[G8nightman]

Lee that's some high prices for those parts. Alot cheaper in NYC.


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[BigJohn]

In New York City you are probably buying your own parts back!

[G8nightman]

At least it's at a bargain.


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[cvette98pacecar]

Lee, at the end of the day, you are still driving a SL600 Mercedes. Wife wants a SL55 or SL65 once I get the second lift in the garage we will be pulling the trigger. Black/Red or White/Cognac.

[LGAFF]

Lee, at the end of the day, you are still driving a SL600 Mercedes. Wife wants a SL55 or SL65 once I get the second lift in the garage we will be pulling the trigger. Black/Red or White/Cognac.


Get the SL55 much easier to work on

Coils are 50-100 bucks vs 1400 per
You can eliminate the ABC system with coilovers; 1700 kit
Less Heat to destroy parts
lighter engine
Engine mounts easier to change

My C32 is the 6 cyl version of this motor and its bullet proof w/146K miles and still running strong

[ZR-1 Franz]

Even if somebody would give me a Mercedes, a BMW or a Porsche as a
gift I would refuse to take them. I really do not like these cars.
Now you can say what you want and think about me what you want,
but don't forget I am closer to these cars here in Europe than anybody
of you.
The ZR-1 was not a cheap car in 1990 here in Switzerland. You had to pay
about CHF 175'000.-- to get one. For this money you could get a so
highly desired European car. I did not ever regret that my choice was the
ZR-1, never.

Have a good time,

Franz

[Vette73]

Yes I guess all you guys are right..Expensive to maintain..I'm on my second BMW,a 2004 M edition X-5.....Car came with a three year bull crap warranty..

I've already had some repairs covered ( valve cover gaskets, right front axle and a few misc stuff......Had to pay for some stuff though.....This is my second BMW.First was an 02 330ci 5 speed ...Great car but not great for NY streets...

I'm guessing the retail on these imports are low because of the cost to maintain them......Can't believe some of the prices it costs to make repairs on them..

[A26B]

I owned 1 BMW, 750i Sport. Cool in some respects & lacking in others. Last one I will ever own.
Both front window motors went out at the same time, $900 to fix. Alternator too small & wont charge adequately unless driven every day for at least 30-45 minutes. All to add a tenth or two to overall fuel economy. Not all German engineering is practical.
Couldn't even monitor individual tire pressures or oil change usage. For a Sport model, a basic tool.


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[BigJohn]

BMW = British Motor Works

[A26B]

Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (German pronunciation: [ˈbaɪ̯ʁɪʃə mɔˈtʰɔʁn̩ ˈvɛɐ̯kə] ( listen); German for Bavarian Motor Works), usually known under its abbreviation BMW (German pronunciation: [ˈbeːˈʔɛmˈveː] ( listen)), is a German luxury vehicle, motorcycle, and engine manufacturing company founded in 1916.

[BigJohn]

Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (German pronunciation: [ˈbaɪ̯ʁɪʃə mɔˈtʰɔʁn̩ ˈvɛɐ̯kə] ( listen); German for Bavarian Motor Works), usually known under its abbreviation BMW (German pronunciation: [ˈbeːˈʔɛmˈveː] ( listen)), is a German luxury vehicle, motorcycle, and engine manufacturing company founded in 1916.

My Great-niece is going to school in Oklahoma.
I asked her; does the Sun rise in the east or in the west in Oklahoma?

[Bob Eyres]

Here's a repair for you. My wife's 2008 335i's twin turbos stopped functioning. The dealer wanted $1,700 to fix it. My mechanic, a friend in our rural community, took a look. He pulled a broken plastic valve off one of the vacuum tanks. He said, "go to the hardware store and pick up one of these, in brass, with the same dimensions".
$1.85, and one hour later, it was back together at full power.
If only I could keep doing this, I could afford to maintain this car. :dancing

[ssrszz4]

If you can find a cheap m36 328 those are great cars for the money have had a few.

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[ssrszz4]

Meant E36!!

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[WARP TEN]

I owned 1 BMW, 750i Sport. Cool in some respects & lacking in others. Last one I will ever own.
Both front window motors went out at the same time, $900 to fix. Alternator too small & wont charge adequately unless driven every day for at least 30-45 minutes. All to add a tenth or two to overall fuel economy. Not all German engineering is practical.
Couldn't even monitor individual tire pressures or oil change usage. For a Sport model, a basic tool.


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Actually Jerry, the real reason the battery doesn't charge adequately is even more interesting. In order to achieve the noted tiny improvement in gas mileage, they set up the cars so that the alternator only charges the battery when the car is coasting or braking. In Europe, no problem--lots of hills. In the US, especially in states like Oklahoma, it doesn't work so well--long flat trips. BMW was regularly replacing batteries once a year under warranty on a number of 5 and 7 series cars especially with the twin turbo V8s, and maybe some others. Might have started with 2011 F10 series, or a couple of years into that series. Once you are out of warranty you are on your own. And they couldn't fix the problem directly because then they would have had to re-certify all the models affected with the EPA, a prohibitive undertaking. I have an old 2010 535xi (with only 40,000 miles) which is not one of the years affected, so I am happy with it. But when the Z06 is off the lift and the BMW up for a week or more I the summer, I put the BMW on a float charger. --Bob

[A26B]

Thanks for the info. It got so I didn't trust the car & I won't have my wife out in an unreliable car.
She now has a Lincoln MKS with eco-boost. Great car with lots of nice & useful options + very comfortable.
We had a Lexus SC400 many years ago. Loved it until some of the lights in the center console went out. $1800 for new panel or $1400 for rebuilt. Dumped it too.
I won't own another foreign car, certainly not out of warranty. Getting bad enough with domestic vehicles when shop rates are $135/hr.


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[WARP TEN]

Thanks for the info. It got so I didn't trust the car & I won't have my wife out in an unreliable car.
She now has a Lincoln MKS with eco-boost. Great car with lots of nice & useful options + very comfortable.
We had a Lexus SC400 many years ago. Loved it until some of the lights in the center console went out. $1800 for new panel or $1400 for rebuilt. Dumped it too.
I won't own another foreign car, certainly not out of warranty. Getting bad enough with domestic vehicles when shop rates are $135/hr.


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Local BMW dealer rates are $170/hr. And not owning a foreign car out of warranty is a good idea. Even my good friend and used car manager at a local BMW dealer tells me not to buy a used one. Mine is well out (4 years regular+2 years Certified) but I haven't had any major work needed. I am tempted to get a new one just for the warranty but my wife won't let me. She thinks that a ten year old car is just fine for me. And after owning a couple of now 20 year old cars, it's hard to argue with her. Oh, well.--Bob

[XfireZ51]

Come on Bob! Put your foot down sir.

[WARP TEN]

Come on Bob! Put your foot down sir.



Great advice from someone who wouldn't dare put his foot down:saluting: ....Bob

[ZR-1 Franz]

As I told you, I wouldn't drive a German car, even if somebody would give me
one!
I am happy with our cars: '90 ZR-1
'91 L-98 Coupe
'64 Impala SS 409 / 425 HP
'01 Blazer S-10 ZR-2
'12 (Fiat) Abarth 500
and for working '78 Blazer K5 (still a fine 4x4 for towing trailers)
'92 Chevy Pickup K3500 (workhorse)
'94 Mazda E2000 (dumping truck, 3.5 ton)
'97 Land Rover Discovery V8

you see, no German car, never! Most of our cars are American cars.
I like them. :salute:

[BigJohn]

What for transmission does your ZR-1 use???

:-D

[Bob Eyres]

As I told you, I wouldn't drive a German car, even if somebody would give me

one!

I am happy with our cars: '90 ZR-1

'91 L-98 Coupe

'64 Impala SS 409 / 425 HP

'01 Blazer S-10 ZR-2

'12 (Fiat) Abarth 500

and for working '78 Blazer K5 (still a fine 4x4 for towing trailers)

'92 Chevy Pickup K3500 (workhorse)

'94 Mazda E2000 (dumping truck, 3.5 ton)

'97 Land Rover Discovery V8



you see, no German car, never! Most of our cars are American cars.

I like them. :salute:



How's that Fiat Abarth holding up?


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[ZR-1 Franz]

Well, my wife always wanted to have a small car, something like this
new Mini or one of these small Japanese cars.
For years she had a Chevy Beretta GTZ (great car!) and then the Blazer ZR-2 (she still owns the Blazer).
I never could agree with
this idea (driving such a small car), but then, in 2008 when you could buy these new Fiat 500s
my wife bought one. Unfortunately in 2012 she was involved in an
accident with this car and I have to say that these cars are really solid built.
This was good luck for my wife as for me too.
Then she bought this Abarth 500. Great little car, I have to agree. No
problems.

Have a good time,

Franz