Why isn't the Registry open to all Z?

[Z51JEFF]

I know this has been discussed,I should have paid more attention to the thread,It only makes since. More traffic,exposure and of course more money generated. Why won't the powers that be make this happen?

[efnfast]

I come here to learn about 1st gen ZR-1's and LT5's.
I don't think site is going to expose our cars and make the value explode.
Seems to me we have enough income to keep us out of trouble.

[S.hafsmo]

I come here to learn about 1st gen ZR-1's and LT5's.


:cheers:

[Tripler]

Because it's all about this super car .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRaXE2ehOpY

;) ;) ;)

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[Paul Workman]

:happy1:

[rush91]

I can't imagine the work that goes into this site. And making it for all ZR1s would be a headache....Granted every generation Vette that has wore the ZR1 badge is special. They are more than welcome here anytime :) But only one is legendary and that is the LT5. It's development and history make it unlike any other Corvette in their storied history. If the owners of other Gen Zs want to start a incredibly awesome owners site like this one, let them.......

[WARP TEN]

I love all the knowledge and enthusiasm on this forum and in the Registry group for the ZR-1s and LT5s. But I also think the group could benefit considerably from expanding its horizon to include the various generations of these special cars. There are five years of next gen ZR1s out there and there is a new ZR1 on the horizon (with an engine called the LT5). I spend time on other Corvette forums which seem to have no trouble having separate sections for different generations of Corvettes or separate sections for say, regular C7 Stingrays and C7 Z06s. For example, when I am on the Corvette Forum I regularly go through and contribute to sections for the C7 Z06, the C7 Stingray, the C4 ZR-1, and C2s. I am once again coming to the ZR-1 gathering this spring but also might go to one for the Z06s. I am interested I all the special Corvettes.

By including all the generations, the Registry could benefit from an increased knowledge base, more revenue and some healthy cross pollination. Who knows? Maybe a new gen owner will get excited about a C4 ZR-1 and get one of them, or maybe a ZR-1 owner with end up getting into an newer gen Z. These newer cars are quite interesting and impressive and might interest our current members, and the rarity and special engineering of the C4 might get younger new gen owners as excited as we have been about them.

I know Dom had started a thread on this a while back. I would like to know where the board comes down on this issue. Perhaps it should be discussed and maybe voted on at the spring gathering to see where everyone is on it. I understand arguments both for inclusion and keeping our group separate. Still I would hate to see the group dwindle for lack of action on an issue like this. It would seem prudent to act on it one way or another sooner rather than later to preclude another organization from running with this idea. --Bob

[Z51JEFF]

I think it's just a matter of time before there is another Z site dedicated solely for the ZR-1/ZR1. 3 generations soon to be 4.

[RussMcB]

I don't have a strong interest in any Corvettes other than the C4 ZR-1. If I did, I'm sure I could go find a forum for them, right? I like the narrow focus of this site. It's not diluted with a lot of non-C4 ZR-1 content.

[S.hafsmo]

I probably would not have joined if it contained all Z gens. Just stuck to the "ZR-1" portion of the corvetteforum.

[Paul Workman]

As I see it...

The FORUM would easily accommodate other ZR's; a la the CF for only ONE example. Perhaps including other "ZR(one) owners and enthusiasts isn't such a big leap??

The By-Laws state:

Section 2: Purpose Established

The general purpose of The ZR-1 Net Registry, will be educational, to operate as a nonprofit organization, to encourage planned trips, events and social activities for members and to provide and regulate events and exhibitions for ZR-1 Corvette owners and enthusiasts.

As for "the powers that be", that isn't the BOD. The "powers that be" is the MEMBERS.

Pros vs. Cons... Lots to consider - far as expansion goes. Reaping the benefits without loosing anything we (the Registry) has got...is the trick, IMO.

[S.hafsmo]

As mentioned in a similar discussion, pressing "Today's posts" on Corvetteforum doesn't do you much good if you're looking for LT5 or even C4 related posts. This forum currently sees 20-50 posts a day (Probably a poor estimate), but they are all relevant to car that is the common denominator of the members of the forum, thus leaving you with the possibility to look through all new posts.

Adding all other generations of ZR-1 would probably result in 10 - 100 times more traffic, reducing posts relevant to the current users from 100%, to 1-10%, which in turn will cause people to stop using functions like "Today's posts", and only browse certain parts, further reducing activity in the LT5 related threads.

This can of course be solved by completely separating the different generations. Multiple forums under one roof. Though I have not pondered too much of what could be gained of such a setup.

Note: This is only my personal opinion. As a new member it's also hard to understand the purpose of the Registry (If one removes the forum from the equation), but having read almost the whole Z-registry correspondence between 1995 and 2007 (still reading), I am very much aware of it's initial purpose.

[Performawheels]

If it was open to all gens , I'd continue to browse (like I do at CF) but I doubt I'd keep paying money each year for a membership. I value the mission, purpose, and focus of the current site. Just my .02 cents.


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[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

I stand by my earlier posts, both in this thread and the members only thread, which was supportive of adding the newer generations.

I will add that if you look at the number of users each time you come on board, you might be troubled, as I am, by the small numbers of active users at any given time.

Adding new gen sections would vastly improve that traffic, and surely there would be cross-pollination of the different generations.

More traffic in no way is a bad thing.

Added generations in separate sections, in no meaningful way, destroys or diminishes the value of the C-4 ZR-1 Registry. You lose (or gain) nothing unless you click on that section.

Don't like new gen? Don't go there. Simple.

One last thought.

New(er) Gen could become bigger than us, and if separate, they might add a C-4 gen section. Why help that happen?

We don't stay King of the Hill by Divine Right.

By now, enough commentary has been brought forth.

Time seems right for a decision.

:cheers:
Marty

[efnfast]

Never visit the CF site. I've got everything I need right here.

[XfireZ51]

Never visit the CF site. I've got everything I need right here.

Why do u assume that would ever change? I don't understand this concern. If u read the by-laws you will note that a"anyone can join this Registry. It does not require owning a C4 ZR-1. This forum and Registry could be "overrun" TODAY. Hasn't happened. There were 6900+ C4 ZRs built and only 4300 C6 ZRs.

[Racinfan83]

I will add this tidbit of info from experience. I had a Nova before the Z. I was a longtime member and moderator on the #1 Nova Forum site on the net. There are of course 4 generations of Chevy Novas. The site had separate forums for each generation - as well as all the other common forum headings (General, Wheels & Tires, Drag Racing, Engine Discussion, Etc Etc)
However what happened in many cases is that a thread would get started and commented on - only to figure out ten posts down that the answers didn't pertain to the generation of car the OP was posting about - either because they didn't specify, or had no car info on their visible profile for reference. So basically 10 people either gave wrong info, or had to ask the OP what year car he had. I can see this happening here - no matter how many sticky's and rules you post to "keep your posts in the right topic" - some people just ain't gonna get it.
SO - while I am not completely opposed to allowing others in - I would also like to caution you of the extra moderation required, and that it will cause "dilution" of some of the posts. Some C6 guy is gonna come on and play "knowitall" and post on every C4 post. Or vice versa. Seen it happen. We banned some guys that came on and would argue to the death which generation was better, etc. This site is pretty calm for the most part - which is how it should be. We can pretty much get pertinent info within a couple days on about any problem we experience without having to root through all the garbage posts. And that is a GOOD thing... Just my 2 cents on the subject :cheers:

[Z51JEFF]

As far as the idea of interest diminishing in this site if there were other pages,I don't see that. My BOOKMARKS are the ZR-1 sites first then other Corvette sites second,thats how I look at them. As far as the header at the top of the page should things change,the C4 ZR-1 should always be center stage flanked by the other gens. If somebody has a specific interest in a specific Gen that's where they are going to look and then once they find what they need they will browse the other GEN out of curiosity to see what's there.

[XfireZ51]

To reiterate, the by-laws don't require any member to be an owner of a C4 ZR-1. So the issue of "dilution" is difficult to understand. I have been on CF for 15 years. My interaction w those who may own or are enthusiasts of ANY Corvette has typically been a positive one. And I get to tell them how great a C4 ZR is.
And as a C4 ZR owner of 10 years, I am excited as hell to hear that GM is planning on bringing out a successor to our KOTH. And that they honor that legacy by powering it with a successor to the original LT5. If that's not deserving of brotherhood, I am not sure what is.

[Kevin]

Separate generation forums under this roof wouldn't be the worst thing. It would help our numbers at Carlisle

[garyhugo]

I'm for keeping it all C4 ZR-1.

[Racinfan83]

So the issue of "dilution" is difficult to understand.

I'm not trying to argue or piss anyone off here - not my intent at all. I was sharing my thoughts and experience from another large forum I was on for years - for discussion purposes.
My comment of "dilution" meant that you will get people (this is just for example) that own C6 Z's commenting on a C4 thread with comments that either don't make sense pertaining to a C4 - or worse - wrong info that someone may try to use. Most forums you have to sort through 10 posts of garbage to find the one or two that are actually pertinent. THIS forum is not like that - and that is why it's great.
Once again - I am not totally against adding others - my caution is that it will require more moderators and more vigilance to keep the site clean and informational...

[XfireZ51]

I'm not trying to argue or piss anyone off here - not my intent at all. I was sharing my thoughts and experience from another large forum I was on for years - for discussion purposes.
My comment of "dilution" meant that you will get people (this is just for example) that own C6 Z's commenting on a C4 thread with comments that either don't make sense pertaining to a C4 - or worse - wrong info that someone may try to use. Most forums you have to sort through 10 posts of garbage to find the one or two that are actually pertinent. THIS forum is not like that - and that is why it's great.
Once again - I am not totally against adding others - my caution is that it will require more moderators and more vigilance to keep the site clean and informational...

And as several of us can point out,we would have an analogous situation over at the Corvette Forum where its not only owners of other generation ZR Corvettes, but ALL generations of Corvette. We may get the occasional jerk mouthing off about how heavy the LT5 is, but overall we do a pretty good job of self-policing that abuse both there and on this forum.
Every year for the last 6 years, the FBI crowd has mixed it up with other generations of Corvette, especially C5 and C6, at the Crown Point Corvette Challenge. I am sure others would chime in, but that event has done quite a bit to gain the C4 ZR RESPECT among that crowd. Frankly, I believe an enthusiast or owner of some other generation ZR Corvette would be very favorably impressed about the C4 based on the knowledge and expertise on this board. With the information we have here, "the common wisdom" about our cars will change.

[Riviera]

I agree. I am here solely for the C4ZR-1

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[QB93Z]

The discussion on this thread so far has been about the ZR-1 Net Registry Forum. There is a lot more to the Registry than just the Forum.

The Registry also includes:
Our website
Newsletter, "Heart of the Beast"
The annual Membership T-shirt
Merchandise we sell to members
The ZR-1 Gathering
The Registry presence at Corvettes at Carlisle
Our logo and branding (Some of which has to be registered with GM)
The banners we display

All of the parts of the ZR-1 Net Registry would be significantly changed if we turned the club into:

The ZR-1 (C4) and ZR1 (C6) and ??? (C8) Net Registry

Change in itself is not bad, but a change is after all a change and the ZR-1 Net Registry would not be the same after the change.

Recently the Board of Directors voted on and approved that a change to the Bylaws is required to implement a change in scope of the ZR-1 Net Registry to include support for other ZR1's. The Board recognized that there are already members who are ZR1 owners. The purpose of the Board's action was to ensure that any change in the scope of the Registry will be discussed and approved by the members using the formal Bylaws change procedure.

Jim Voter

[S.hafsmo]

The gatherings would probably gain from such an expansion.
Not so sure about the merchandise, T-shirts and Newsletter though.

[efnfast]

Are we thinking that by inviting other ZR1's the world will all of a sudden discover our cars?
I don't see how I benifit by talking about other than my very unique corvette engine.

[QB93Z]

Anyone who has participated in the Mountain Run events knows that the other year ZR1's drivers are very welcome. And there has been participation by non-ZR-1 C4's as well as a European ZR-1 owner driving a rental Mustang.

The Mountain Run is a ZR-1 Net Registry hosted event that does not cost the Registry anything and allows us to show off the ZR-1 to many other Corvette owners.

Highlighting the ZR-1/LT5 as well as other-generation ZR1's has been a part of most of the Corvettes At Carlisle events that I have been to. We, The Registry, are proficient at making a good impression on the Corvette Community as a whole. The ZR-1 Net Registry member participation at Carlisle has been #1 or #2 for three years in a row, and we have been recognized with awards to show it.

Events like WAZOO Maintenance Days, FBI Drag racing, the South Texas BBQ, and local cruise-ins are other excellent opportunities for Registry members to show the rest of the Corvette Community what the ZR-1 is about, without any cost or change to the ZR-1 Net Registry.

[ghlkal]

Personally, it doesn't make a difference to me. I do applaud the directors for thinking about ways to expand the registry. I'm sure they realize that without continuous growth, it is difficult to maintain any organization.

[5ABI VT]

I really do like the fact that this forum is specific to the zr-1. Without it Im not so sure where the Z would be at least for me. Ive been browsing and reading the site for a very long time even before I purchased my zr1.

I know as an 18 year owner of a fully built 93 LT1 car... I cannot stand the c4 forum for letting all iterations of C4s belong in 1 section like C4 tech. Its absurd. so much so that I hardly ever post there or want to read because im just not interested in anything pre-LT1. If you ask me the c6 (I call it a 5.5) deserves its own section as much as a late LT1 car does (different body poanels, all new interior, different motor and transmission etc) vs an 84 crossfire or whatever choking contraption it has that powers it.

[WARP TEN]

The discussion on this thread so far has been about the ZR-1 Net Registry Forum. There is a lot more to the Registry than just the Forum.

The Registry also includes:
Our website
Newsletter, "Heart of the Beast"
The annual Membership T-shirt
Merchandise we sell to members
The ZR-1 Gathering
The Registry presence at Corvettes at Carlisle
Our logo and branding (Some of which has to be registered with GM)
The banners we display
.....Jim Voter

All of which reminds me--I re-upped in November but I don't recall ever getting my 2017 renewal package with a T Shirt, badge etc. Is my mind failing in my dottering old age and have I forgotten, or are they yet to be sent out? --Bob

[Kevin]

Haven't been sent out

[XfireZ51]

All of which reminds me--I re-upped in November but I don't recall ever getting my 2017 renewal package with a T Shirt, badge etc. Is my mind failing in my dottering old age and have I forgotten, or are they yet to be sent out? --Bob

Bob,

The shirts were just received this past week. Was awaiting on other materials as well. I believe I have everything to begin putting packages together but I will be going out of town next week, so probably not going to be assembling things till the 15th or so. I will alert the members as I send out packages. Its a bit of a cumbersome project.

[WARP TEN]

Thanks for the heads up on the renewal packages. Just curious. And I wanted to make sure my (probably impending) dementia hasn't begun setting in.:)...Bob

[WARP TEN]

Bob,

The shirts were just received this past week. Was awaiting on other materials as well. I believe I have everything to begin putting packages together but I will be going out of town next week, so probably not going to be assembling things till the 15th or so. I will alert the members as I send out packages. Its a bit of a cumbersome project.

Want some help putting them together? My fee is pretty low--Jack Daniels or beer....Bob

[XfireZ51]

Want some help putting them together? My fee is pretty low--Jack Daniels or beer....Bob

You got it. Come on over. I'll be back on the 15th.

[cvette98pacecar]

Anyone who has participated in the Mountain Run events knows that the other year ZR1's drivers are very welcome. And there has been participation by non-ZR-1 C4's as well as a European ZR-1 owner driving a rental Mustang.

The Mountain Run is a ZR-1 Net Registry hosted event that does not cost the Registry anything and allows us to show off the ZR-1 to many other Corvette owners.

Highlighting the ZR-1/LT5 as well as other-generation ZR1's has been a part of most of the Corvettes At Carlisle events that I have been to. We, The Registry, are proficient at making a good impression on the Corvette Community as a whole. The ZR-1 Net Registry member participation at Carlisle has been #1 or #2 for three years in a row, and we have been recognized with awards to show it.

Events like WAZOO Maintenance Days, FBI Drag racing, the South Texas BBQ, and local cruise-ins are other excellent opportunities for Registry members to show the rest of the Corvette Community what the ZR-1 is about, without any cost or change to the ZR-1 Net Registry.

In actuality Jim the Mountain Run has nothing to do with the ZR-1 Net or Grand Sport Registry. Five years ago I thought how can I drive through the Smokey mountains without taking an additional two days off of work as I live 600+ miles away. I thought to myself why not do it before the C4 Gathering. I talked with George Jones and we started to plan the entire event.
Now with that being said, The ZR-1 and Grand Sport members do support the Mountain Run.