So Proud

[Ami Workman]

...a great day for an inauguration! 😉💜💛

[FU]

5913

[KILLSHOTS]

AWESOME day! GOD Bless America!

:Eagle:

[Kevin]

very disappointed

[efnfast]

I support him 100%, but boy is he picking some 1%ers.

[BigJohn]

In every race there is only one winner!
I have been in hundreds of races with many 2nd's, 3rd's and 4th places.
I have about thirty 1st places.
I only have one 1st place at nationals!
This is the first time a person I voted for became President.

[XfireZ51]

I support him 100%, but boy is he picking some 1%ers.

Steve,

You sound surprised. Why would u be?

[efnfast]

I like him, I think he's going to shut down the free stuff and take americas interests first.
He's not an elite politician, but he is an elite. We shall see Dom, we shall see.

[Performawheels]

Putting America's interests first- works for me! Hope he succeeds big league!


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[KILLSHOTS]

very disappointed

Yep, been there. On 1/20/09 and again on 1/20/13. But fortunately for all of us, we live in the greatest country ever ordained by God, where power transfers by democratic election - as directed by our Constitution - and not by coup. I SO hope that those on this forum who are disappointed in the results of the election are DISGUSTED with those who rioted, destroyed property and shed blood in their misplaced rage at the result of a legitimate democratic election.

[RussMcB]

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I agree. This isn't a place for political disagreements.

[ssrszz4]

Watch for rising health care costs when Obama care is repelled

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[efnfast]

Have health care costs gone down, or have the costs just been spread to the tax payers?

[ssrszz4]

Now it looks like he would,

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[efnfast]

I haven't figured out why it needs to be replaced. If they want socialized medical, they should just say so. I say NO.

[diamond zr1]

lets see /if u like your doctor u can keep ur doctor/wrong/3 doctors in last 3 years/like ur plan/wrong again/3 in last 3 years/healthy wife 60/no meds/premium for her alone went from 700 month to 1200 month/6000 deductible/paying for all the subsidized folks//we need clinics for the poor,not free ambulance rides and emergency rooms in the hospitals for illeagals//go to mexico and see if a doctor or hospital will see you without paying upfront:proud:

[Bob Eyres]

To paraphrase Sara Palin..."How's that Trumpy stuff working out for ya?"

Do you feel that funny feeling in the back of your brain that maybe, just maybe, you helped elect a guy that is really going to hurt America?

Naaaaaaah. We're a nation of 323 million. We will survive even this flaming butthole.
But you guys will have to live with that vote for the rest of your lives.
Sleep tight.


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[randy ransome]

Gladly





:proud:

[efnfast]

I still can't figure out why when I don't buy a product from a private supplier, my government fines me?
I don't know why people can't figure out that someone needs to pay for the free stuff.

[BigJohn]

With 53% of the population on welfare; we all get to pay!

[XfireZ51]

lets see /if u like your doctor u can keep ur doctor/wrong/3 doctors in last 3 years/like ur plan/wrong again/3 in last 3 years/healthy wife 60/no meds/premium for her alone went from 700 month to 1200 month/6000 deductible/paying for all the subsidized folks//we need clinics for the poor,not free ambulance rides and emergency rooms in the hospitals for illeagals//go to mexico and see if a doctor or hospital will see you without paying upfront:proud:

You can thank Reagan for the "free" healthcare that people get at emergency rooms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1305897/

Universal healthcare is the way to address the issue. ACA is a bandaid, albeit a better one than what existed before it, but its a hybrid. We could and should expand coverage under Medicare by 1.) lowering the participation age
and 2.) Allowing the government to negotiate w pharmaceuticals on pricing of drugs like every other government and the VA does.

[efnfast]

Thank you Dom, but I would rather the government had nothing to do with my medical decisions.

[XfireZ51]

Thank you Dom, but I would rather the government had nothing to do with my medical decisions.

How do you differentiate this from someone at a FOR PROFIT Insurance company making those decisions? Do you consider those decisions to be in your best interest? When u turn 66, will be using Medicare?
Seriously, what do you base your objection on? I would like to understand the rationale for this.

[efnfast]

Well said. Insurance companies are for profit. As a for profit business owner, I'm real glad the feds have little to do with the decisions I make.
Not a big believer in insurance companies either. It's just group paying.
They cannot hand out more than they take in. Plus you have to support all the employees, and all those great big buildings.
How about we teach people to be responsible with their money and they simply pay for what they use.
Haven't I been paying into the medicare system most of my life, why shouldn't I take advantage of it.
Just like social security.
If anybody had bothered to ask me, I would have said no thank you.
That's why I traditionally vote republican.
So do I think the feds or ins. co's can manage my money better than me? I don't think so.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

How do you differentiate this from someone at a FOR PROFIT Insurance company making those decisions? Do you consider those decisions to be in your best interest? When u turn 66, will be using Medicare?
Seriously, what do you base your objection on? I would like to understand the rationale for this.



Yes, you have a point there.


Private companies find ways to work within the money they collect.


The government simply spends like there is no tomorrow, for lesser quantity and quality than you would have received from the "for-profit" insurance company, then hands you and I the bill for their excess cost and ineptness.


Oh, and they usually eventually contract it out to the same for-profit company once they have mucked it all up.


Sounds like a winner to me!


Marty

[Bob Eyres]

I still can't figure out why when I don't buy a product from a private supplier, my government fines me?
I don't know why people can't figure out that someone needs to pay for the free stuff.

It's the same concept behind the law that you must have insurance to drive your car on public roads.
If you have no health coverage, then show up at the emergency room and rack up a huge bill, then the rest of us get to pay for it.
The best solution IMHO is "everybody in", whether private insurance, or Medicare. Then the costs are spread, and everybody's covered.

[efnfast]

I don't need car insurance here in NH. I hit somebody, I'm responsible. I pay. It's not a difficult concept.

[Bob Eyres]

Universal healthcare is the way to address the issue. ACA is a bandaid, albeit a better one than what existed before it, but its a hybrid. We could and should expand coverage under Medicare by 1.) lowering the participation age
and 2.) Allowing the government to negotiate w pharmaceuticals on pricing of drugs like every other government and the VA does.

Well said, it's the simple truth. But Americans always swallow the Corporate propaganda. That's why we have Profit Health Care, Profit Schools, Even Profit Prisons, and Profit toll roads.
The rest of the "civilized world" has single payer public health care, at much less cost. But, as Winston Churchill once said:
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."

Unfortunately, our Congress is not inclined to "do the right thing". Because they are owned by their corporate contributors.

[BigJohn]

You have three months to sign up for Medicare before you turn 65; if you sign up afterwards there is a fine you must pay!
If you continue working and don't retire you are still required to sign up for Medicare at 65!

[Bob Eyres]

That's a good idea. Saves a lot of $$.......
That is until you're going efnfast and hit the soccer Mom with the team in the minivan.



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[XfireZ51]

Yes, you have a point there.


Private companies find ways to work within the money they collect.


The government simply spends like there is no tomorrow, for lesser quantity and quality than you would have received from the "for-profit" insurance company, then hands you and I the bill for their excess cost and ineptness.


Oh, and they usually eventually contract it out to the same for-profit company once they have mucked it all up.


Sounds like a winner to me!


Marty

Administrative "costs" for "for profit" health insurance companies is ~15%. For Medicare its 3%. More of your money goes to paying healthcare bills and not shareholders, bondholders, the CEO and all the marketing expenses.
Healthcare is a right. Its a necessity for living in a society, like air, water, and these days of course electricity and the internet. I am not interested in having the government make smartphones, corn flakes, or automobiles.
There's many places where for profit is completely appropriate. And I support that. However, making money off of whether someone lives or dies isn't one of them.

[XfireZ51]

Well said. Insurance companies are for profit. As a for profit business owner, I'm real glad the feds have little to do with the decisions I make.
Not a big believer in insurance companies either. It's just group paying.
They cannot hand out more than they take in. Plus you have to support all the employees, and all those great big buildings.
How about we teach people to be responsible with their money and they simply pay for what they use.
Haven't I been paying into the medicare system most of my life, why shouldn't I take advantage of it.
Just like social security.
If anybody had bothered to ask me, I would have said no thank you.
That's why I traditionally vote republican.
So do I think the feds or ins. co's can manage my money better than me? I don't think so.

Steve,

If you get cancer (and I pray u don't) you simply could not sustain the costs on your own. If you could you wouldn't be driving a 90 ZR-1. So I don't yet understand how you think you can go it alone.

[Performawheels]

To paraphrase Sara Palin..."How's that Trumpy stuff working out for ya?"

Do you feel that funny feeling in the back of your brain that maybe, just maybe, you helped elect a guy that is really going to hurt America?

Naaaaaaah. We're a nation of 323 million. We will survive even this flaming butthole.
But you guys will have to live with that vote for the rest of your lives.
Sleep tight.


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I'm fine with Trump and I'd gladly choose him again over Hillary or Obama. I'm hopeful that he will get at least one more Supreme Court pick (his first one was outstanding), reduces/simplifies the tax code and curtails illegal immigration- things I believe he can achieve.


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[efnfast]

And if I do get cancer, is it your OBLIGATION to help me pay for it?
I'm the first one to help a neighbor out that is down on his luck.

[Bob Eyres]

Your neighbors can't help you if you get cancer.
But 325 million of your neighbors can chip in for the unlucky ones.
That's the concept of single payer.


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[randy ransome]

Your neighbors can't help you if you get cancer.
But 325 million of your neighbors can chip in for the unlucky ones.
That's the concept of single payer.


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Maybe we should help our neighbor when he wants a new car or to go on vacation, a new home, help him buy a business...why stop with insurance, it never ends, where do we draw the line on HELP...





:proud:

[XfireZ51]

What is so difficult w understanding the concept of spreading the risk? The ENTIRE Insurance Industry is based on that. I pay taxes for police, fire, infrastructure etc. all of which could not be funded individually, and therefore society could not exist. The larger the pool, the more inexpensive the individual coverage. Do u think that the premiums you pay for your vehicle are sufficient to cover an even minor mishap and still have the insurance company make a profit?
Believe what u will, but you don't live on another planet, you are affected by what happens to others like it or not, problems and risks are "socialized" which is what happens in a community and society. Its not an obligation. Its just how the universe works.

[XfireZ51]

Maybe we should help our neighbor when he wants a new car or to go on vacation, a new home, help him buy a business...why stop with insurance, it never ends, where do we draw the line on HELP...





:proud:

Yeah it does end. You draw the line at strictly providing a safety net of fundamental services needed for life.

[randy ransome]

Yeah it does end. You draw the line at strictly providing a safety net of fundamental services needed for life.

The government is providing more than that now with all the give-a-way programs...when you subsidize an activity, you get more of it.





:proud:

[XfireZ51]

The government is providing more than that now with all the give-a-way programs...when you subsidize an activity, you get more of it.





:proud:

Start w corporate welfare. It'll oay for all the other programs. Everything else is small potatoes.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Administrative "costs" for "for profit" health insurance companies is ~15%. For Medicare its 3%. More of your money goes to paying healthcare bills and not shareholders, bondholders, the CEO and all the marketing expenses.
Healthcare is a right. Its a necessity for living in a society, like air, water, and these days of course electricity and the internet. I am not interested in having the government make smartphones, corn flakes, or automobiles.
There's many places where for profit is completely appropriate. And I support that. However, making money off of whether someone lives or dies isn't one of them.

The workers that staff medicare are not "free". We pay for them.
You presume the government operation to be less costly than private sector services.
I do not share that view.

Right? what right?

I pay for my private healthcare insurance.
I have paid into medicare my entire working life, and have, with employer help, paid for private healthcare my entire working life. It's no right, I earned and paid for it.
Same with Social Security.
I pay for my water, my electricity, my internet, my Registry membership and all of MY necessity's.
The government doesn't have money of their own, they get it from you and me.
So I pay for me, then must pay for the others too?
Why don't they pay?
This is fair?
I have the right to work to earn money to pay for what I need.
I have earned money by working since I was 11.
That is one right that we all do have.
I love when others attempt to determine what my "fair share" needs to be, or they assert it is not enough, so that others may pay nothing at all.

And all of those shareholders, bondholders, and corporations?
Guess what?
All taxed!
( and doubly so, i.e. personal and corporate!)
Without private sector employment and taxes, the government would have precious little to spend, on keeping us safe with critically needed defense spending, building common infrastructure etc.
Taxes and charity are two distinct things.
They should not be confused.
:proud:
Marty

[XfireZ51]

You may not share the view of the overhead in private v gov't healthcare providers, but those are the facts. It stands to reason that the government need not incur costs associated w marketing, CEO pay and bonuses, and demonstrating continuing increase in profit margins to the shareholders while also increasing "shareholder value". Then there are the dividends paid. These are not bad things, they just don't belong in an area that deals w the health and welfare of the citizens of the country.
And no one is suggesting this is "free". We pay into Medicare. Expansion would allow people to buy into Medicare at a younger age. This would improve the overall viability of Medicare while giving more citizens access to less expensive healthcare coverage.
For the "conservatives" in the crowd, you should love this.
It provides portability for health insurance by unburdening the employer from paying for it. If individuals are no longer beholden to their employers for health insurance, it would encourage entrepreneurship with people now able to start their own business without the fear of exposure to potential costs of catastrophic illness.

[USAF Retired]

Let us all be thankful we have a President that actually WORKS for FOR THE PEOPLE because the previous guy was a FRAUD.

[efnfast]

So, it only stands to reason that in our lifetimes, with all of the insurance that we pay, it has to add up to more than the bills that were paid. Has to be that way.
Plus the insurance company made money.
Paid for all their employees.
Paid for all their buildings.
The doctor charged me more because he has to have staff to deal with the insurance co.
Wouldn't it be more cost effective all the way around if when I incured some expense (paid a body shop, or a doctor for his service) that I simply paid that out of pocket.
I'm now starting to see my customers have insurance for their household appliances (my part of this is the well pump), that is horribly inefficient.
Insurance companies are in business to make money. Period. Not be nice guys, not make your life easier, not to help you get better.
Dominic, promise me when we get to Carlisle and sit down for a beer together, we don't talk politics. - Steve

[lfalzarano]

Move this political BS out of the ZR-1 Registry. This forum is for ZR-1 Corvette enthusiasts.


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[Bob Eyres]

That's why this part of the Forum is labeled "Off Topic".
Nobody is forced to read it.


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[XfireZ51]

So, it only stands to reason that in our lifetimes, with all of the insurance that we pay, it has to add up to more than the bills that were paid. Has to be that way.
Plus the insurance company made money.
Paid for all their employees.
Paid for all their buildings.
The doctor charged me more because he has to have staff to deal with the insurance co.
Wouldn't it be more cost effective all the way around if when I incured some expense (paid a body shop, or a doctor for his service) that I simply paid that out of pocket.
I'm now starting to see my customers have insurance for their household appliances (my part of this is the well pump), that is horribly inefficient.
Insurance companies are in business to make money. Period. Not be nice guys, not make your life easier, not to help you get better.
Dominic, promise me when we get to Carlisle and sit down for a beer together, we don't talk politics. - Steve

I'm sorry Steve, I simply can't do that because I won't be coming to Carlisle.
I'll be in Puerto Vallarta 😄😄😄😄😄

[randy ransome]

Move this political BS out of the ZR-1 Registry. This forum is for ZR-1 Corvette enthusiasts.


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:proud:

[efnfast]

Have a good trip Dom.

[RussMcB]

Let us all be thankful we have a President that actually WORKS for FOR THE PEOPLE because the previous guy was a FRAUD.I don't understand why it isn't obvious to all Americans that Trump only cares about himself.

Can anyone give any explicit examples of something he has done that was good for lower or middle class Americans?

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

I don't understand why it isn't obvious to all Americans that Trump only cares about himself.

Can anyone give any explicit examples of something he has done that was good for lower or middle class Americans?

Really?
Just himself?

Would you like just one?

As requested; Choose any of the following:

The DOW daily closing stock market average rose more than 15% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – on March 1st the DOW closed at 21,115).
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW rose 6.5%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th and reached 21,115 on March 1st.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever (http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/03/01/for-the-dow-industrials-2000-is-the-new-1000/). The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.
* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tops-21000-in-intraday-tradeon-pace-for-second-fastest-milestone-in-history-2017-03-01)point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* The US Stock Market gained $2 trillion (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/winning-economist-says-stock-market-gained-2t-wealth-since-trump-elected/)in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 broke $20 Trillion (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKBN15R130) for the first time in its history.
* In the history of the DOW, going back to January 1901, the DOW record for most continuous closing high trading days was set in January of 1987 when Ronald Reagan was President. The DOW set closing highs an amazing 12 times in a row that month. On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/dow-hits-another-record-high-consecutive-daily-time-high-greatest-rally-ever/)when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row! President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/media-reports-looming-government-shutdown-ignores-trump-decreased-us-debt-100b-since-inauguration/)(President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)
The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/boom-manufacturing-index-soars-33-year-high-trump-best-numbers-since-1983-reagan-video/) high in this period which were the best numbers since 1983 under President Reagan.
President Trump added 298,000 jobs (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-obama-says-jobs-just-not-coming-back-trump-adds-298000-jobs-first-month/)in his first month alone (after President Obama said jobs were not coming back!).
Housing sales are red-hot (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lack-of-homes-for-sale-drives-up-prices-in-housing-market/). In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.
Illegal immigration is down 67% (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump/) since President Trump’s Inauguration.
NATO announced Allied spending is up $10 Billion (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/winning-nato-chief-allied-spending-10-billion-trump/)because of President Trump.
After being nominated by President Trump, Constitutionalist Judge Neil Gorsuch was confirmed and sworn in (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/judge-neil-gorsuch-takes-oath-join-supreme-court-video/)as Supreme Court Justice in early April.
The President has signed 66 executive orders, memoranda and proclamations (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions)as of April 19th, including (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-executive-orders-memorandum-proclamations-presidential-action-guide-2017-1/#presidential-memorandum-january-20-reinces-regulatory-freeze-50):
* Notifying Congress of a strike on Syria after it was reported that the country used gas on its citizens.
* Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.
* Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist atrocities.
* Enforcing regulatory reform.
* Protecting Law enforcement.
* Mandating for every new regulation to eliminate two.
* Defeating ISIS.
* Rebuilding the military.
* Building a border wall.
* Cutting funding for sanctuary cities.
* Approving pipelines.
* Reducing regulations on manufacturers.
* Placing a hiring freeze on federal employees.
* Exiting the US from the TPP.
In addition to all this, the President has met with many foreign leaders from across the globe including Xi from China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-faces-first-major-foreign-policy-tests-syria-crisis/), Abe from Japan (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38927306), etc.
The President also pointed out numerous times that the MSM (Main Stream Media) reports only on a made up Russia conspiracy story and ignores these accomplishments. These actions are making the majority of Americans aware of the tremendous bias in the media in the US and abroad. This too is another major Trump accomplishment.
Winning, Winning, Winning!

[Performawheels]

Really?
Just himself?

Would you like just one?

As requested; Choose any of the following:

The DOW daily closing stock market average rose more than 15% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – on March 1st the DOW closed at 21,115).
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW rose 6.5%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th and reached 21,115 on March 1st.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever (http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/03/01/for-the-dow-industrials-2000-is-the-new-1000/). The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.
* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tops-21000-in-intraday-tradeon-pace-for-second-fastest-milestone-in-history-2017-03-01)point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* The US Stock Market gained $2 trillion (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/winning-economist-says-stock-market-gained-2t-wealth-since-trump-elected/)in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 broke $20 Trillion (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKBN15R130) for the first time in its history.
* In the history of the DOW, going back to January 1901, the DOW record for most continuous closing high trading days was set in January of 1987 when Ronald Reagan was President. The DOW set closing highs an amazing 12 times in a row that month. On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/dow-hits-another-record-high-consecutive-daily-time-high-greatest-rally-ever/)when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row! President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/media-reports-looming-government-shutdown-ignores-trump-decreased-us-debt-100b-since-inauguration/)(President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)
The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/boom-manufacturing-index-soars-33-year-high-trump-best-numbers-since-1983-reagan-video/) high in this period which were the best numbers since 1983 under President Reagan.
President Trump added 298,000 jobs (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-obama-says-jobs-just-not-coming-back-trump-adds-298000-jobs-first-month/)in his first month alone (after President Obama said jobs were not coming back!).
Housing sales are red-hot (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lack-of-homes-for-sale-drives-up-prices-in-housing-market/). In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.
Illegal immigration is down 67% (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump/) since President Trump’s Inauguration.
NATO announced Allied spending is up $10 Billion (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/winning-nato-chief-allied-spending-10-billion-trump/)because of President Trump.
After being nominated by President Trump, Constitutionalist Judge Neil Gorsuch was confirmed and sworn in (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/judge-neil-gorsuch-takes-oath-join-supreme-court-video/)as Supreme Court Justice in early April.
The President has signed 66 executive orders, memoranda and proclamations (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions)as of April 19th, including (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-executive-orders-memorandum-proclamations-presidential-action-guide-2017-1/#presidential-memorandum-january-20-reinces-regulatory-freeze-50):
* Notifying Congress of a strike on Syria after it was reported that the country used gas on its citizens.
* Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.
* Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist atrocities.
* Enforcing regulatory reform.
* Protecting Law enforcement.
* Mandating for every new regulation to eliminate two.
* Defeating ISIS.
* Rebuilding the military.
* Building a border wall.
* Cutting funding for sanctuary cities.
* Approving pipelines.
* Reducing regulations on manufacturers.
* Placing a hiring freeze on federal employees.
* Exiting the US from the TPP.
In addition to all this, the President has met with many foreign leaders from across the globe including Xi from China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/06/donald-trump-faces-first-major-foreign-policy-tests-syria-crisis/), Abe from Japan (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38927306), etc.
The President also pointed out numerous times that the MSM (Main Stream Media) reports only on a made up Russia conspiracy story and ignores these accomplishments. These actions are making the majority of Americans aware of the tremendous bias in the media in the US and abroad. This too is another major Trump accomplishment.
Winning, Winning, Winning!



Good stuff. Taking care of illegal immigration will benefit low/middle income workers as illegal aliens depress wages and harm working class people that are here legally. In addition, reducing illegal immigration will ease the burdens on our schools, hospitals, and criminal justice system- again directly benefiting not just lower income Americans, but all people here legally.


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[BigJohn]

I don't understand why it isn't obvious to all Americans that Trump only cares about himself.

Can anyone give any explicit examples of something he has done that was good for lower or middle class Americans?

It is obviousl to me that HATE on both sides will blind them to others opinions!
Like Nazi Germany they use hate to control their people!

[USAF Retired]

That's why this part of the Forum is labeled "Off Topic". Nobody is forced to read it.

Agreed. OFF TOPIC means just that but unfortunately there is no free speech anymore because this thread will probably end in being locked as did my thread "Colin CANCER Kaepernick Deserves What he Gets".

[ZR1North]

Agreed. OFF TOPIC means just that but unfortunately there is no free speech anymore because this thread will probably end in being locked as did my thread "Colin CANCER Kaepernick Deserves What he Gets".
I saw on the other post (re Kaepernick) that you were surprised with the reaction on the forum; what did you expect when one uses a hobby/car forum for political purposes! There are a lot of reasons to have political discussions/debates these days; this forum is NOT the place for that, and don't confuse that with lack of freedom of speech. Kudos to the moderator for having the courage to shut it down.

[USAF Retired]

I saw on the other post (re Kaepernick) that you were surprised with the reaction on the forum; what did you expect when one uses a hobby/car forum for political purposes! There are a lot of reasons to have political discussions/debates these days; this forum is NOT the place for that, and don't confuse that with lack of freedom of speech. Kudos to the moderator for having the courage to shut it down.

Many internet forums have an OFF TOPIC section. OFF TOPIC means just that-OFF TOPIC. In my mind OFF TOPIC means posting anything that is not ZR-1 related. So where does it say I cannot post my opinion about a Muslim Loving Thug Traitor who disrespects the country? Where? So, I posted my counter protest or my personal opinion about an athlete who is paid $20 million dollars annually but loves disrespecting this country, our Flag and our National Anthem and I am out of line? I'm really taken back by some of you here. I came here to be apart of this great community but reading the responses from some of you it feels a little anti-American around here and I say shame on ya!

God Bless America :flag:

[USAF Retired]

There are a lot of reasons to have political discussions/debates these days; this forum is NOT the place for that and don't confuse that with lack of freedom of speech. Kudos to the moderator for having the courage to shut it down.

I just checked and there are 130+ pages in the OFF TOPIC section of this forum. A quick check from pages 131 to 125, I found all of these topics below that are Political Topics so why am I being singled out as the rule breaker? I am sure if I continued my search there would be many more political topics from pages 125 to 1 so why am I being singled out?

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3428

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=371

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1839

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2401

[lfalzarano]

You make valid points, but this app on our phones bring all unread messages. I use the app for ZR-1 information about the car and how to fix them. I personally don't want to have have political opinions pushed to me. I can read the news and watch TV. If I wanted to voice my option, there are other social sites like Twitter to make my personal views heard. I'm not forcing my views onto others using that method. People would have a choice. The Forum doesn't do that, since it sends all comments to my unread tab.

Got it?


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[QB93Z]

Some points to consider regarding the comments in this thread:


- "Free Speech" as was alluded to in post 54 is a term addressed by the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution requiring that Congress not suppress the ability of citizens to speak freely.


- This Forum is owned and paid for by the members of the ZR-1 Net Registry, an incorporated non-profit organization, through their dues and by the Sponsors who provide support for the operation of the ZR-1 Net Registry. As you "speak" on this Forum, I hope that you realize that it is not free.


- The Forum Administrator and the Moderators of this Forum are empowered by the elected Board of Directors of the ZR-1 Net Registry to make and enforce the rules for these Forums. Actions taken by the moderators are not abridging any one's "Free Speech".


- I think that in a forum dedicated to the ZR-1 Corvette and to "Keeping the Legend Alive", indignation and supposed concern for the right of free speech is disingenuous. When a poster makes a comment in one thread and then when that thread is closed, makes the same comment in other threads not related to that topic, the claim that his freedom is being suppressed rings hollow.


Jim

[USAF Retired]

You make valid points, but this app on our phones bring all unread messages. I use the app for ZR-1 information about the car and how to fix them. I personally don't want to have have political opinions pushed to me. I can read the news and watch TV. If I wanted to voice my option, there are other social sites like Twitter to make my personal views heard. I'm not forcing my views onto others using that method. People would have a choice. The Forum doesn't do that, since it sends all comments to my unread tab.

Got it?

The fact that you have a problematic app on your mobile phone is not my problem nor am I forcing any view down your throat. Please observe the six links I posted that shows political topics discussed, so why am I being singled out? The topic I started and was locked is no different than the other threads I listed in my previous post before yours.

[USAF Retired]

Some points to consider regarding the comments in this thread:

- "Free Speech" as was alluded to in post 54 is a term addressed by the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution requiring that Congress not suppress the ability of citizens to speak freely.

- This Forum is owned and paid for by the members of the ZR-1 Net Registry, an incorporated non-profit organization, through their dues and by the Sponsors who provide support for the operation of the ZR-1 Net Registry. As you "speak" on this Forum, I hope that you realize that it is not free.

- The Forum Administrator and the Moderators of this Forum are empowered by the elected Board of Directors of the ZR-1 Net Registry to make and enforce the rules for these Forums. Actions taken by the moderators are not abridging any one's "Free Speech".

- I think that in a forum dedicated to the ZR-1 Corvette and to "Keeping the Legend Alive", indignation and supposed concern for the right of free speech is disingenuous. When a poster makes a comment in one thread and then when that thread is closed, makes the same comment in other threads not related to that topic, the claim that his freedom is being suppressed rings hollow.

Jim

I understand Jim however please tell me why my Colin CANCER Kaepernick thread was locked and why am I being singled out when there are many threads in OFF TOPIC that are the same or more politically charged than mine. Again, why am I being singled out?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I understand Jim however please tell me why my Colin CANCER Kaepernick thread was locked and why am I being singled out when there are many threads in OFF TOPIC that are the same or more politically charged than mine. Again, why am I being singled out?

Let's try this again. It's all about peace and harmony. This forum is not a good fit for everyone. You need to decide if it's a good fit for yourself. I hope it is. If it is, become a positive part of the community here.

There are many rules governing how one should act on this forum. I would strongly suggest that you read them.

I welcome you to the C4 ZR-1 community as well this forum. There is no room for personal attacks or the like. This forum if place for peace and brotherhood pertaining to the ZR-1. Harsh debate and personal attacks do nothing to promote this.

Forum Rules #5, #7 and #12 are good reading material.

Thank you for your service. Much respected and appreciated.

Brett Henderson
ZR-1 Net Registry Forum Administrator