Who will Order a C7 ZR-1

[Hib Halverson]

So....given the odds (better than 50/50 I think) that GM is going to introduce a 6.2L Gen V V8 with DOHC heads and the LT5 RPO in the 2018 C7 ZR-1, how many here plan to put a deposit on one?

What's your best guess at the price?

[JThomas]

Not until they build one comfortably for someone 6'6". :mad:

[gen2rt]

Ok I'll bite with my guess. North of $100k I'd bet. And much as I'd like a new one, too rich for my blood at this point in my life.

[diamond zr1]

better be over 700 hp/not much over 100k/

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

I will simply wait until one of those many that always want to be the first to own every new thing, trades it in a year or two to get the C-8 ZR-1.

It will likely have very few miles, will have been superbly maintained, and oh, bought for a fraction of what it will sell for new.

I can wait, thank you.

:cheers:
Marty

[carter200]

Marty has the right idea......

[5ABI VT]

More interested in dropping one in my 94 :-D

[A26B]

I seldom ever buy the 1st issue, preferring to wait until price returns to normal & most of the nuances are straightened out.

[BigJohn]

Yep the C7 Corvette was designed for little people only!

[Paul Workman]

Tho intrigued by the prospect of a FI, 6.2 DOHC, DI, VVT, etc., etc., it comes as the window on the C7 (front engine platform) is closing.

My crystal ball tells me the GT-40 (for one) has put a stake in the ground (again!), and GM will have to embrace the spirit of Zora Duntov; break out out of their ultra-conservative straight jacket, and get serious about bringing out a car at least as capable (formidable?) as the trend-setters Corvette finds themselves being swallowed by.

So... Bringing out a "capper" at the end of the C7 run, only to be followed by a superior platform would be a throw-back to the same market bungling of the past; i.e., the C4 ZR-1. The C7 is up against the (front engine, rear wheel drive) platform's limitation.

Any student of automotive technology knows intuitively that Corvette is at a crossroads: it's time to (poop) or get off the pot! Putting a DOHC motor in C7, only to be "immediately" eclipsed by a mid-engine C8... would be a mistake...again. Once again, customers would "enjoy" paying a premium for advanced (engine) technology, only to have Corvette's C8 besting them a year or so later.

I say, bring the new DOHC LT5 out with a mid-engine C8 and thus give the automotive world a double stroke; engine AND platform that will have some legs; i.e., endure. However, if the C7 ZR1/LT5 does make it to showrooms, I'd expect the same fate for the C7 ZR1 as was the case for the C4 Zs; to be immediately overwhelmed if not by the performance, but by media fanfare of the next Corvette generation.

Think I'll save my $$ and see what the C8 brings.

[efnfast]

Paul, I agree. I can't imagine the C7 to be radically different, then eclipsing it so soon after with the C8. Reminds me of the C6 ZR1, then the Z06 so soon after being so close in performance and so less in price.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Yep the C7 Corvette was designed for little people only!

=D>

When you pull the door closed, and it pushes your left hip hard enough to smack the right one into the aircraft-carrier of a console, that pretty much says it all.

They say the C-7 has more interior volume. If true, I don't know where it is hiding. A C-6 is WAY more comfortable with room to shift around in the seat.

And that tiny steering wheel.....
I feel like an adult sitting on one of those little wooden cars with the itsy -bitsy plastic steering wheel.

While not perfect, Mercedes always seemed to find a way to provide a perfect fit from petite to XXX (medium).


Marty

[WARP TEN]

Not until they build one comfortably for someone 6'6". :mad:

I agree Joe-I am a little surprised that they couldn't add a couple of inches to the wheelbase. My 6'6" son really doesn't fit comfortably in my C7 Z06. That said, I do, and I am satisfied enough with my Z06 that I would not immediately purchase a new C7ZR-1. --Bob

[RichS]

Yep the C7 Corvette was designed for little people only!


I tried to fit in a few Stingrays, and Z06's. The windshield pillar is in my line of sight. So I bought the ZR-1 in Sept. I would bet the new ZR1 would be way north of $100g then with the first year dealer markups. Crazy money!!

[BlackSheepz]

As much as I love cars, especially NEW cars, there's no way I could justify $100k+ on a car. I'd rather just have a small fleet of old ZR-1s anyway. (Just need to work out a storage problem that's popped up).

I'll also say that I've been watching the C6 ZR1 market and the moment they get close to $40k (you can find some in the mid 50's now) I'll have one one those in my garage. :)

[mike100]

I would rather have one of the new 10 second Teslas for similar money.

[BigJohn]

0 to 60 in 10 seconds isn't very fast!

[Mystic ZR-1]

0 to 60 in 10 seconds isn't very fast!

It is if you're on a Schwinn...

[BigJohn]

Schwinn or Tesla 0 to 60 in 10 seconds and still pretty slow!

[diamond zr1]

just got a new 16 z06 for Christmas/after only 120 miles on it I am having buyers remorse/got a huge deal on it but must say it is about the same as our old zr-1s to get in and out of and room inside is also close to the same/My c6 fidanza tt car rides smoother with lots more room inside and is way faster/per corvette forum specs/2009 2013 zr1 faster as well/plus the c7s have lots of scoops to pick up leaves and crap off the road/lots of pretty gadgets inside too

[ssrszz4]

Tesla top speed limited to 155 don't want too slow.

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[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

0 to 60 in 10 seconds isn't very fast!

The new Tesla is tested at 0-60 of 2.6 seconds.
While I hate to say it.
That is quick!
Something about those instant on electric motors!
2.6!
:cheers:
Marty

[edram454]

well, based on history of the c4 lt5, I will wait a few years and pick it up for about 13k if history repeats itself.

[BigJohn]

The new Tesla is tested at 0-60 of 2.6 seconds.
While I hate to say it.
That is quick!
Something about those instant on electric motors!
2.6!
:cheers:
Marty

Yep!
DC motors have massive torque that is why all modern train engines use them.

:cheers:

[rush91]

If I had the money to throw around, I would wait until the mid-engine C8. ( I can wish in on hand and poop in the other, I know which will happen 1st!!) It will be one of the last C7s, and one of the fastest, best handling Corvettes ever to come out of Bowling Green. Until the C8 rolls out.....And future pricing will depend on how big a production run they do. If its a one year deal, then good luck in 10-15 years finding one that is affordable. If I had that kind of money, I rather have a garage full of C4 ZR-1s

[Hog]

Yep!
DC motors have massive torque that is why all modern train engines use them.

:cheers:

Max torque available at 0 rpm.

[ssrszz4]

Tesla's are limited in top speed by motor rpm. They are quick but limited.

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[mike100]

I'm sure society will get used to electric cars, but right now it is pure stealth. A car that runs 10.80's in the 1/4 mile that doesn't squeal tires and wake up the neighborhood with loud mufflers?...yes, please. I can blast around the block in my Volt going a good bit over the speed limit and not one person ever looked up with a scowl like happens in a hotrod with loud pipes. Cops are kind of in the same spot with them...they have no idea of your throttle position angle and there just isn't any kind of emotional prejudice because the dang things just don't make sound.

Not making a spectacle of yourself is pretty neat trick trick- at least to me.

[gbrtng]

I seldom ever buy the 1st issue, preferring to wait until price returns to normal & most of the nuances are straightened out.

nuances = unadvertised features, or bugs as we call them in the software design world.

Better to wait for the market to settle down when the pipeline is filled.

TGF

[BigJohn]

But I do love Electric Cars!



:thumbsup:

[Hog]

The last Tesla I saw tear off was squealing the tires, not doing a burnout or anything, but were certainly letting it be known that their limits of adhesion were being tested.

[cvette98pacecar]

better be over 700 hp/not much over 100k/

Joe, You probably have your dealer on speed dial.

I will simply wait until one of those many that always want to be the first to own every new thing, trades it in a year or two to get the C-8 ZR-1.

It will likely have very few miles, will have been superbly maintained, and oh, bought for a fraction of what it will sell for new.

I can wait, thank you.

:cheers:
Marty

Marty, I can agree with you more. I bought loth of my Callaway's for less money than I paid for my 98 PC. I can wait until they drop 60K just like the C6 ZR1 did.

[ghlkal]

So....given the odds (better than 50/50 I think) that GM is going to introduce a 6.2L Gen V V8 with DOHC heads and the LT5 RPO in the 2018 C7 ZR-1, how many here plan to put a deposit on one?



Of course. And then I will put it away for 20 years and let it appreciate to a half million dollars and then sell it and retire ... just like the first owners of a thousand ZR-1s did ... oh, wait :sign10:


I am very interested in seeing what GM does here, a la, put the LT5 in last C7 or the first C8.

[KILLSHOTS]

Can we please get back to talking about Teslas?

[A26B]

Can we please get back to talking about Teslas?

Well, the title of this thread is "Who will Order a C7 ZR-1"....... and the forum is "ZR-1 General Postings." I would think a thread on Tesla would belong in an "Off Topic" forum.

[KILLSHOTS]

Well, the title of this thread is "Who will Order a C7 ZR-1"....... and the forum is "ZR-1 General Postings." I would think a thread on Tesla would belong in an "Off Topic" forum.

That was my point, Jerry...I promise you my post was completely tongue in cheek. ;)

[A26B]

That was my point, Jerry...I promise you my post was completely tongue in cheek. ;)

:cheers: OK ;) I was still working on my first cup of coffee.

[BigJohn]

How much torque do you get out of a cuppa coffee?

[A26B]

At my age, not enuff. Especially if you're addicted to high performance. You know, "too much is barely enough."

[gen2rt]

John Phillips (Car & Driver) once gave the difference between horsepower and torque: Horsepower is when your foot gets caught in the stirrup and you're dragged for a mile. Torque is when you push down your own erection and your feet fly out from beneath you.

[Regimof]

I'm intrigued by this new "last of/best of" c7

If there is one thing gm likes to do its go out with a bang and offer up something nuts. All this talk about over 700 doesn't impress. The hell cat has had that for years and apparently their new demon is going to be even more insane. To be honest this thing had better be closer to 800 than 700.

[Meanmyz]

Unfortunately, I won't be ordering a new ZR-1, although I am sure it will be a great car. I'll bet down-force provided by the wing and newfound power will rewrite a few and hopefully most of the new track records that have been currently set by the Dodge Viper ACR.

It'll be the car for anybody with the discretionary income to spend on one (before the mid-engine) and the ultimate car for all of the the front engine/rear wheel drive faithful. I am betting that price will be in the $120,000+ range with good options. Why wouldn't it? The Z06's optioned right, fill in right up to that point. Base ZR-1 $105 - $110K.

Mid engine with highest power option will be around $130 - $140K and the journalists will heap praise on it for it's "bang for the buck" vs. the competition.

GM will continue on, building the rear drive Corvette for the faithful...that Corvette making the most of its electronic aids to get as much of its power to the ground as possible. GM can't nor ever will, in my mind, kill the platform that has made it the success that it is. And the traditional platform will continue to be the sales leader that makes a mid-engine car possible.

[Hog]

Unfortunately, I won't be ordering a new ZR-1, although I am sure it will be a great car. I'll bet down-force provided by the wing and newfound power will rewrite a few and hopefully most of the new track records that have been currently set by the Dodge Viper ACR.

It'll be the car for anybody with the discretionary income to spend on one (before the mid-engine) and the ultimate car for all of the the front engine/rear wheel drive faithful. I am betting that price will be in the $120,000+ range with good options. Why wouldn't it? The Z06's optioned right, fill in right up to that point. Base ZR-1 $105 - $110K.

Mid engine with highest power option will be around $130 - $140K and the journalists will heap praise on it for it's "bang for the buck" vs. the competition.

GM will continue on, building the rear drive Corvette for the faithful...that Corvette making the most of its electronic aids to get as much of its power to the ground as possible. GM can't nor ever will, in my mind, kill the platform that has made it the success that it is. And the traditional platform will continue to be the sales leader that makes a mid-engine car possible.
GM would never drop rear drive, at most AWD optional.

To the earlier Hellcat speak and its 707hp, most people can look beyond simple power numbers and will go right to that 4495lb curb weight. I'd take a 650hp 3400lb Vette over that junk anyday.

[diamond zr1]

just got back from spring mountain/Ron Fellows corvette school for 2 days/after driving a new z06 on the track for 2 days,I am really pleased that they make an old poor driver into a boy racer/had no idea that all the different modes could do so much/electronic marvel from wet to completion modes/for a stock car I'm impressed:salute:

[WARP TEN]

just got back from spring mountain/Ron Fellows corvette school for 2 days/after driving a new z06 on the track for 2 days,I am really pleased that they make an old poor driver into a boy racer/had no idea that all the different modes could do so much/electronic marvel from wet to completion modes/for a stock car I'm impressed:salute:

I also did Spring Mountain last September and you are right--it was great. Especially great in that GM paid for about 2/3 of the cost for my buying a new Z06. I thought much of what was taught has important real world applications and is especially relevant in that it is hard to test the extremes of these new cars safely other than on the track, so the track time was also helpful. I like that they let you drive the kind of car you own, e.g., if you have a stick shift base car that's what you get, if you have an automatic Z06 (like mine), that is what you drive. Overall a terrific experience.--Bob

[Bob Eyres]

My first reaction to the original question was, "this is a forum for a lot of guys that have a twenty plus year old Corvette that now costs $15-$20K to buy.
Not the likely place to find too many high rollers that can plunk down $120-$130K for a front drive model that will be instantly outdated the moment the C8 comes out.

But wait, that means a C7 ZR1's resale will drop like a stone, quickly. The same scenario that allowed me to get a pristine three year old C4 ZR-1 with 3K mi. at half MSRP, in '94.
So maybe this group are the ONLY ones that will be interested in that car soon after it's released. Front drive, four cam, all the modern conveniences. With twice the horsepower of my C4 ZR-1. Might just be the ticket. :thumbsup:

[Tripler]

Found this article which suggests that the 1990 to 1996 interior of the C4 was the inspiration for the C7 . Good read ...

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/1990-1994-c4-zr-1-a-future-classic-1779364619

[diamond zr1]

HEY BOB/I just bought my z06 2lz car right at Christmas/already have 200 miles on it/same exact colors as yours with chrome rims too/A8 trans/you better not bring yours down and beat up at our old zr1s in May//was going to wait for the 4 cam rear corvette all wheel drive,but figured I would be too old to drive/got 23 percent off msrp/its a 16 model/it was crazy how fast the cars ran at spring mountain,even the lb red one like mine and yours

[XfireZ51]

Found this article which suggests that the 1990 to 1996 interior of the C4 was the inspiration for the C7 . Good read ...

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/1990-1994-c4-zr-1-a-future-classic-1779364619

Gentlemen,

Perhaps we are finally getting the recognition this car richly deserves. The possibility of the C7/C8 ZRs are doing exactly what we suspected. A renewed interest in the car that was the opening salvo to the world, the C4 ZR-1 (KOTH).

[LGAFF]

Automobile Magazine feature a C4 ZR-1 at the Barrett Jackson Auction this month and there was a Z car legacy Article in one of the Vette Magazines last month.

[Corvettes White]

My first reaction to the original question was, "this is a forum for a lot of guys that have a twenty plus year old Corvette that now costs $15-$20K to buy.
Not the likely place to find too many high rollers that can plunk down $120-$130K for a front drive model that will be instantly outdated the moment the C8 comes out. :thumbsup:

Given the number of guys here with multiple Corvettes and big buck motors, I am not so sure the above is true.

George

[XfireZ51]

Automobile Magazine feature a C4 ZR-1 at the Barrett Jackson Auction this month and there was a Z car legacy Article in one of the Vette Magazines last month.

Got any links?

[Tripler]

I agree with George ...
;)

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[Blue Flame Restorations]

I would consider buying a mid engine corvette IF it ever comes to fruition.

[LGAFF]

Automobile Magazine ZR-1 Barrett Jackson Review

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr-1-2016-barrett-jackson-las-vegas-sale-feature-car/

Vette
http://www.superchevy.com/features/1611-zr1-corvette-review/

[XfireZ51]

I would consider buying a mid engine corvette IF it ever comes to fruition.

Right now my alternative choice for a fun sports car is an Alfa 4C.

[ssrszz4]

Did you catch the mistake Barrett Jackson made in the description?


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[Tripler]

Did you catch the mistake Barrett Jackson made in the description?


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Removable roof panels lol ! Haha ... Sure . Just heading out to the garage to take my panels off ! Lol ...
;)

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[ssrszz4]

Me too!

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[BigJohn]

OK!!!
Then post photos!


Well not really!

[jcruz]

Hoping the introduction causes the prices to drop on the 2009-2010's! :)

[Hog]

Well the 2017 Cadillac CTS-V has a 640hp/630lb/ft torque version of the Direct Injection, Variable Valve Timing, Supercharged, Intercooled GEN 5 SBC.

The 2017 ZL1 Camaro has the 650hp/650lb/ft torque (same rating as the LT4 in the C7 ZO6 Vette. It has an available 10 speed automatic, or 6 speed manual trans.
Ratios
1=4.70
2=2.99
3=2.15
4=1.80
5=1.52
6=1.28
7=1.00
8=0.85
9=0.69
10=0.64
R=4.87
Total ratio spread of 7.39:1.

10 speed automatic trans pictures
10 speed auto
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedZL1Camaro_zps7pdvycwp.jpg

Clutch
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedautoclutch_zpsla0pm2sb.jpg


10 speed auto valvebody

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedvalvebody_zps2l9lpjeo.jpg

Input gear
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedautoinputgear_zpsqgydignx.jpg


Pump
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedautopump_zpszcp7jc1q.jpg

Triple Clutch
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Transmission/trans10speedautotripleclutch_zpsosjbdbyh.jpg

Since the 6th Generation Camaro was released for MY2016, the oldr GEN4 SBC was dropped, so gone were the engines that used conventional Port Fuel Injection,
1) the 6.2liter 581hp supercharged Camaro ZL1 LSA engine,
2)the 427 cid/7.0 liter naturally aspirated LS7 that powered the Z28 Camaro,
3)the N/A 6.2 liter 430hp LS3
4) the 400hp 6.2 liter L99 for the automatic trans only Camaros equipped with Variable Valve Timing.

All went away with the MY2014 5th GEN Camaro, to be replaced with the GEN5 SBC engines, the naturally aspirated LT1 and the supercharged LT4 engine.
So anyone who has been on the fence about snagging any sort of GEN 4 427 SBC in a car, or in crate engine form, had better do so soon.

Rumours abound about the new engine for the C7 Corvette king. Now that the Camaro shares the same power rating of 650hp with the current king, the C7 ZO6, with its 650hp. What will Chevrolet do with the C7 ZR-1?

It's supposed to be a 6.2 V8, with a DOHC configuration. But to eclipse the 650hp LT4 engine and to put to bed the Hellcat's 707 hp, the new ZR-1 will require well over 700hp.

Either Chevrolet will build the DOHC 6.2 liter LT5 with power figures well below 700hp, but make up for that with a super exciting redline of 8000 plus rpm. OR Will add a couple turbos to the DOHC config. and blow these other cars out of the water.
Or will we have a 427 cubic inch DOHC naturally aspirated monster? Will the send off Corvette engine be a GEN 5 SBC configured engine, or a brand new DOHC engine. Cadillac is injecting it flagship cars with a 4.2 liter twin turbo DOHC engine.

In addition to the 6.2 liter/376 cid engine displacements, Chevrolet has had both larger and smaller displacement versions on their engine dynos.

We soon will see, but its going to be exciting to see exactly how Chev sends out the C7 chassis, and it's front engine/rear drive configuration for that matter.

[XfireZ51]

Paul,

When I see what Ford has done w the 5.0L Coyote and Voodoo motors, I can imagine what GM would do with a 6.2L DOHC V8. An modern LT5 with variable valve timing and direct injection. If some members on this forum are coaxing
700hp from our 25+ year old motors, albeit with added displacement in cases,
GM would surely be able to apply its significant engineering savvy in place of the sledgehammer approach our DIY sonfigurations utilize.

[Roadster]

.
The 2017 ZL1 Camaro has the 650hp/650lb/ft torque (same rating as the LT4 in the C7 ZO6 Vette. It has an available 10 speed automatic.

Although the original question is about ordering a C7 ZR1, given the chance I would get the 2017 ZL1 Camaro with the 10 speed instead!!! That just seems to be the "sleeper" of the decade IMO especially with the 1LE option.
Less expensive, has the LT4, and not underrated....hard to pass up, for sure!!!

[Mystic ZR-1]

Wouldn't it be neat if ya could get the 10 speed to
work with the LT5 in our cars?

[BigJohn]

Wouldn't it be neat if ya could get the 10 speed to
work with the LT5 in our cars?



No!

:rolleyes: