ZF black/blue tag for 94

[RichS]

Since the car is apart I figured I'd replace the throwout bearing. The trans in my 94 is a black tag, not a blue tag. The collar does measure 1.305 like it should for a 94. Is my trans a replacement? Looks like it was never removed before I did. The tag number is 1052-000-081
Thanks :cheers:

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[WVZR-1]

That is what I would have expected for a '94 - there was once a bunch of very bad information out there regarding the transmissions , the tag etc. Your car if it hasn't had an aftermarket shifter installed should still have a "lift-ring" for reverse. I believe if you check the left side of the transmission you can likely find the VIN derivative on the case.

Very dependent maybe on miles I might prefer the TO that's there vs some of the replacement product that's out there.

**I just noticed the B&M shifter in your SIG so the lift-ring has gone away!!

[RichS]

Car has under 25 on it and the old one is perfect with no noise. I was going to change while it's apart till I saw the crazy prices. If it ever goes bad I'll just change out to a lightweight setup. I still have my original one from the GS somewhere in the garage attic.

I put the B&M in and yes it had the lift ring.

[Demps]

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Information/General/VINNumbers.aspx

[RichS]

Vin is on it, it's the original.

Thanks!:cheers:

[Corvettes White]

As an aside, the earlier black tags are marked "Made in West Germany."
George

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Car has under 25 on it and the old one is perfect with no noise. I was going to change while it's apart till I saw the crazy prices. If it ever goes bad I'll just change out to a lightweight setup. I still have my original one from the GS somewhere in the garage attic.

I put the B&M in and yes it had the lift ring.


If you find you need a TO bearing I have an extra Valeo I can ship for $170.

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[Dynomite]

If you find you need a TO bearing I have an extra Valeo I can ship for $170.
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If no takers I am interested if this is the 1.305 inch ID for Blue Label Transmission.
I have New Blue Label in 91', ZFdoc Black Label with short shifter in 95' and Blue Label being rebuilt with short shifter by ZFdoc as we speak ;)

[HAWAIIZR-1]

If no takers I am interested if this is the 1.305 inch ID for Blue Label Transmission.

I have New Blue Label in 91', ZFdoc Black Label with short shifter in 95' and Blue Label being rebuilt with short shifter by ZFdoc as we speak ;)


Cliff,
If the OP is not interested it's yours. I have a lot of parts but usually don't sell unless someone is in need. Yes, this is the real deal for later model trans with INA04 bearing and insert collar. Not the cheap crap out there that is not worth the labor involved. I have another early model bearing too. I think I paid too much for it back in the day, but will dig it up and sell it too. I'm going to get rid of all the early model parts since my 95 will be my last ZR-1.




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[Dynomite]

Cliff,
If the OP is not interested it's yours. I have a lot of parts but usually don't sell unless someone is in need. Yes, this is the real deal for later model trans with INA04 bearing and insert collar. Not the cheap crap out there that is not worth the labor involved. I have another early model bearing too. I think I paid too much for it back in the day, but will dig it up and sell it too. I'm going to get rid of all the early model parts since my 95 will be my last ZR-1.
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OK......let me know......and I really like the 95 but would never say that is my last ZR-1 :sign10:
The LT5s are just too much fun to work on :D

[Jagdpanzer]

As an aside, the earlier black tags are marked "Made in West Germany."
George

Another aside, West and East Germany were reunified in October 1990 so its understandable ZF black tags made after that date were labeled "Made In Germany"

[RichS]

Thanks Craig, I checked mine over and it's good. No noise or roughness. If dynamite needs it, it all his. Thanks again!!

[Roadster]

Since the car is apart I figured I'd replace the throwout bearing. The trans in my 94 is a black tag, not a blue tag. The collar does measure 1.305 like it should for a 94. Is my trans a replacement? Looks like it was never removed before I did. The tag number is 1052-000-081
Thanks :cheers:

Rich, I see your 94 is #198, I am #009 and from what Jim @PowerTorque mentioned to me in the following, it is possible that your "black tag" is original.

"Jim told me that they (the OE's he has now) are NOS bearings from years ago. However, they are only for the 94-95 ZR-1. And they are only for the Blue Label ZF trans, which came into service with the 94 model. Now, there is an exception to this and that is when the 94 MY assembly started, there were not any Blue Label transmissions available, as there were still some Black Label transmissions still available from the end of the 93 MY build. So there are some early 94's that probably have the Black Label trans that were installed at the factory. If you have an early 94 with a Black Label, then these TOB's are not for you."

But to my understanding the amount of "black tags" that were installed in 94's is unknown, as is the last serial number known, before switching to the "blue tag" trans. I have to look at mine again, but I am most sure I have a "black tag" trans....

[2ljd]

Cliff,
If the OP is not interested it's yours. I have a lot of parts but usually don't sell unless someone is in need. Yes, this is the real deal for later model trans with INA04 bearing and insert collar. Not the cheap crap out there that is not worth the labor involved. I have another early model bearing too. I think I paid too much for it back in the day, but will dig it up and sell it too. I'm going to get rid of all the early model parts since my 95 will be my last ZR-1.




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Craig,

I might b interested in the early model bearing...should fit my 90' right?

Joie


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[5ABI VT]

Rich, I see your 94 is #198, I am #009 and from what Jim @PowerTorque mentioned to me in the following, it is possible that your "black tag" is original.

"Jim told me that they (the OE's he has now) are NOS bearings from years ago. However, they are only for the 94-95 ZR-1. And they are only for the Blue Label ZF trans, which came into service with the 94 model. Now, there is an exception to this and that is when the 94 MY assembly started, there were not any Blue Label transmissions available, as there were still some Black Label transmissions still available from the end of the 93 MY build. So there are some early 94's that probably have the Black Label trans that were installed at the factory. If you have an early 94 with a Black Label, then these TOB's are not for you."

But to my understanding the amount of "black tags" that were installed in 94's is unknown, as is the last serial number known, before switching to the "blue tag" trans. I have to look at mine again, but I am most sure I have a "black tag" trans....

I spoke with Jim over the phone about this and I measured for him. Mine is #13 and I have a black tag. It IS the later style transmission.

Black tag = built in germany. Blue tag = state side.
90-93 early style. 94+ later style. No need to go into details im sure you all about the differences but thats how I have it.

[WVZR-1]

Rich, I see your 94 is #198, I am #009 and from what Jim @PowerTorque mentioned to me in the following, it is possible that your "black tag" is original.

"Jim told me that they (the OE's he has now) are NOS bearings from years ago. However, they are only for the 94-95 ZR-1. And they are only for the Blue Label ZF trans, which came into service with the 94 model. Now, there is an exception to this and that is when the 94 MY assembly started, there were not any Blue Label transmissions available, as there were still some Black Label transmissions still available from the end of the 93 MY build. So there are some early 94's that probably have the Black Label trans that were installed at the factory. If you have an early 94 with a Black Label, then these TOB's are not for you."

But to my understanding the amount of "black tags" that were installed in 94's is unknown, as is the last serial number known, before switching to the "blue tag" trans. I have to look at mine again, but I am most sure I have a "black tag" trans....

I seriously "doubt" any comment as to "partial production builds" of the ZF for '94. I met a fellow with a '94 that insisted/argued his car was a "blue tag" but I visited him on a week-end and his was on a lift! It was a "black tag" and the build was the same as that in the image posted by RichS - I believe that all original '94 builds will match. - ALL

Now if a person wanted to discuss a '92 or '93 610 Nm vs maybe a 540 Nm that's entirely possible. There's very likely a mix in there somewhere!

Through the years there's been much "Internet Lore" regarding the ZF S6-40! Black/Blue - 610 Nm/540 Nm - Black tags were built with both and the blue tag were all the lesser.

[A26B]

Transmission info from my 1994 ZR-1

Black Tag, "Made in Germany"
Type: S6-40 (stamped) followed by ZP 309 (hand engraved)
Parts List No: 1052 000 081
Transmission No: 032289
Customers Ref No: 10212759
Oil Capacity in LTS: 2.0 (hand engraved)
Numbers matching #234
Collar diameter: large, 1.378"/35mm

[RichS]

Out of curiosity now, I have 3 throw outs from my GS. They look identical to the one out of the Z. The original one (yes I'm a pack rat) has the same markings on the bearing seal. All the dimensions between them are pretty much the same. The non original 2 were included with Centerforce clutch kits. One bearing has Japan on it the other China. They all fit on the trans the same.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Thanks Craig, I checked mine over and it's good. No noise or roughness. If dynamite needs it, it all his. Thanks again!!

Okay, Rich. Glad to hear okay and will do. Best wishes and you're welcome.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

OK......let me know......and I really like the 95 but would never say that is my last ZR-1 :sign10:
The LT5s are just too much fun to work on :D

OK Cliff, I'll reply to your PM if you want it. This is my last ZR-1 and when it dies I'm done.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Out of curiosity now, I have 3 throw outs from my GS. They look identical to the one out of the Z. The original one (yes I'm a pack rat) has the same markings on the bearing seal. All the dimensions between them are pretty much the same. The non original 2 were included with Centerforce clutch kits. One bearing has Japan on it the other China. They all fit on the trans the same.

Yes, I agree with you. My Sachs clutch kit and Fidanza clutch kit both came with the genuine bearing. Jim Jandik knows all the details of the 5 Ws with these clutch release bearings. I also have yet one more brand for early model BCA Bearing (Federal Mogul) made in France that is also genuine OEM type bearing. I would ask Jim about the Japan and China bearing.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Craig,

I might b interested in the early model bearing...should fit my 90' right?

Joie


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I'll send you a PM. Yes, it is for early model only. PN 614117 BCA Bearing, Federal Mogul, Made in France. When I dig it up I'll send you photos and price to see if you want it. It has the genuine INA04 green bearing. It is also in a Valeo sealed bag in the box. It has no plastic collar insert.

[secondchance]

Below is the tag on my 94, #256.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/IMG_0267_zps9befb2a3.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/IMG_0267_zps9befb2a3.jpg.html)

Never figured out why I have a blue tag below the black tag.

[WVZR-1]

Below is the tag on my 94, #256.


Never figured out why I have a blue tag below the black tag.

Hello Yun!!

I believe I see a REMAN tag there also and if done while in WARRANTY or even exchanged while the transmissions were still exchanged by GM it would have been replaced with "correct spec" trans.

I'm guessing yours won't have a correct VIN derivative and it might be interesting to see if the VIN derivative was actually removed or replaced by the REMAN facility. It might be interesting to compare the information on the tag with an OE tag.


The parts list, the trans number and customer reference information might be of interest. Post that next time you're "under there"!!

*** On your tag there's maybe a reference date to the rebuild of the trans. It could be Julian or maybe some other format but I do believe it might be able to be extrapolated from the tag. Looking at Rich's TRANSMISSION # it seems it's maybe actually just a date code. Is his 03/10 March 10th - 93 or maybe 0310 is NOV 06 - 93? Build date or date from Certification Label might be a clue.

[Scrrem]

Below is the tag on my 94, #256.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/IMG_0267_zps9befb2a3.jpg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/IMG_0267_zps9befb2a3.jpg.html)

Never figured out why I have a blue tag below the black tag.

Wow that interesting Yun, a black tag in a 94. Since it looks like it's a GM remanufacture, I assume you have the later input shaft?
Rich

[5ABI VT]

Transmission info from my 1994 ZR-1

Black Tag, "Made in Germany"
Type: S6-40 (stamped) followed by ZP 309 (hand engraved)
Parts List No: 1052 000 081
Transmission No: 032289
Customers Ref No: 10212759
Oil Capacity in LTS: 2.0 (hand engraved)
Numbers matching #234
Collar diameter: large, 1.378"/35mm

Was the trans ever serviced or replaced since new? I believed engraving on the tag was not factory production? :confused:

[5ABI VT]

My tag on my 94 #13. Later size input shaft.

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb463/Emm3Speed/5abi%20VT/157BCC08-B8C6-4EE8-A3E7-26BB154F44B5_zpsm4bjow5j.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/Emm3Speed/media/5abi%20VT/157BCC08-B8C6-4EE8-A3E7-26BB154F44B5_zpsm4bjow5j.jpg.html)

[WVZR-1]

My tag on my 94 #13. Later size input shaft.

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb463/Emm3Speed/5abi%20VT/157BCC08-B8C6-4EE8-A3E7-26BB154F44B5_zpsm4bjow5j.jpg (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/Emm3Speed/media/5abi%20VT/157BCC08-B8C6-4EE8-A3E7-26BB154F44B5_zpsm4bjow5j.jpg.html)

YOUR TAG blew my thoughts as to the relevance/relationship of the TRANSMISSION # being related maybe to a DATE CODE - LOL. That's good information for me though as I looked at a couple NOS transmissions I have(after posting) and I couldn't relate mine to a DATE CODE either. Thanks for that post of your tag information again. I had overlooked Jerry mentioning the TRANSMISSION # of his. I doubt that since the transmissions were an "import" that the sequencing of the TRANSMISSION # is relevant to production # (VIN) of the car.

My NOS BLUE TAG LT1/LT4 (089) is #'d 051708 and my NOS LT5 (087) is still sealed in the GM carton. I haven't checked it.

[secondchance]

This transmission was on the car when I bought it in 2000. I believe this must have been replaced under the warranty. I'll be replacing dual mass flywheel along with clutch, pressure plate, TO bearings as needed in near future. When I do, will take a better picture and post it.

Any "yes" - it has later output shaft.

Hope all is well, David H!

[WVZR-1]

Transmission info from my 1994 ZR-1

Black Tag, "Made in Germany"
Type: S6-40 (stamped) followed by ZP 309 (hand engraved)
Parts List No: 1052 000 081
Transmission No: 032289
Customers Ref No: 10212759
Oil Capacity in LTS: 2.0 (hand engraved)
Numbers matching #234
Collar diameter: large, 1.378"/35mm

Was your 415CI done by Lingenfelter? Perhaps your "ZP 309 & 2.0" were done by a tech @ Lingenfelter to validate who and what was actually serviced during the build.

[A26B]

Was your 415CI done by Lingenfelter? Perhaps your "ZP 309 & 2.0" were done by a tech @ Lingenfelter to validate who and what was actually serviced during the build.

Bill Boudreau rebuilt it for me, maybe something he did. I will call him & ask about the engravings and also the large o.d. collar/guide tube.

[RichS]

Anyone know about the throwout? The only difference I see is the slight knurled edge on the Z one. I had to put a zip tie on so I don't mix them up.

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http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/JaymieShuleski/IMG_3003_zpsa9udor8f.jpg

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Anyone know about the throwout? The only difference I see is the slight knurled edge on the Z one. I had to put a zip tie on so I don't mix them up.



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Rich,

Give Jim Jandik a call. He loves to educate about this stuff and can rattle off dates and manufacturers like it was yesterday. Amazing and friendly guy. He said what is critical is the green case bearing with INA004. My fear is the Chinese can copy that too.

http://www.powertorquesystems.com/Corvette/CorvetteTB.htm




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