Comments on Cars for Sale

[LGAFF]

I see a lot of unsolicited comments on vehicle values, I don't think we are doing any favors to people trying to sell their vehicle telling them they are too high, etc. If you have commentary, maybe a PM is more appropriate vs broadcasting it on the post...the cars are worth what someone is willing to pay for them; if someone wants 20, 30, or 40K they can do that...but if you are not an interested buyer maybe there are better ways to express your thoughts on value.

PS: Not referring to my sale ad...just others I have seen.

[32valvesftw]

I agree, all those comments do is drive down the price.

[A26B]

I agree with Lee. Unless the seller specifically asks for opinions, I think it's counterproductive to the Sellers effort & other owners as well.

[lfalzarano]

I agree with you that we need to refrain from personal valuation judgements. I do believe most ZR-1's are undervalued. I would look to Hagerty valuations to make a decision on pricing and not on gut instincts.


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[5ABI VT]

Agree 100% . On many forums I am on any comments like that are removed and most people are fully aware that peoples for sale threads are not where comments are allowed. A car is worth what someone will pay. Being in some c4 facebook groups its one of the most annoying things to me to see people with such strong opinions and feelings about value. Those people just don't understand the nature of the market.

[We Gone]

Very well stated

[edram454]

totally agree with Lee. It's bad enough for whatever reason that the owner is selling but when others try to force the price down it doesnt help. I will not comment on any sales price questionnaire anymore myself.

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[Performawheels]

Agree with all above.


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[billschroeder5842]

If you have commentary, maybe a PM is more appropriate vs broadcasting it on the post...

Always be classy.

[Kevin]

May have to rethink some market place rules

[Z51JEFF]

I agree Lee,if somebody isn't interested in a specific car than just STFU and keep it to themselves. I've commented at times but only when asked about a specific car.

[RussMcB]

I have no desire to sell my car (I love it), but I'm thinking about advertising it here for $48,000 and seeing how well you all can avoid the temptation of publicly questioning by sanity. :-)

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I agree with Lee, 100%. Just poor taste and poor manners to interfere with someone's For Sale ad.

Let's think a little deeper before posting in a For Sale ad.

We're all ZR-1 Brothers and Sisters here. :)

[ghlkal]

I see a lot of unsolicited comments on vehicle values, I don't think we are doing any favors to people trying to sell their vehicle telling them they are too high, etc.

As others have said, I agree with Lee.

[spork2367]

I've been in many of these discussions, so from the other side, many of these users are coming here solely to place a for sale ad. Some of them haven't even answered questions or interacted in their own for sale ads.

There are venues that allow no feedback, forums aren't one of those venues. A change of rules may prevent those comments, but I don't think stifling discussions in the hope that it raises ZR1 sale prices is overly ethical.

I think the opposite could be argued about some of the comments. Does listing all these cars for pie in the sky prices artificially raise the price or values? Is that honest?

Truthfully, the comments don't affect the value. People will list cars for what they hope to get, and buyers will pay what they want, and deals will be made in between. Random internet opinions aren't going to change people's minds about what they want to pay or list their cars at. And many of those for sale threads are getting dozens of free bumps to the top.

The unsold cars don't say anything about the actual value of a car. The ones that have sold on here do. And they aren't saying great things about current values. When you take in outside evidence from the overwhelming majority of auction sales, they are showing the same trend.

I started a valuation thread, but people would rather start the discussions in the for sale threads. As soon as discussion got switched to the valuation thread, it died. Although maybe a classifieds rule change would help shift the discussion back there.

[Anniv88]

I agree with Lee also. If I want to sell my car, I can ask any price I want.
After all, it's my car. [-X

[spork2367]

I agree with Lee also. If I want to sell my car, I can ask any price I want.
After all, it's my car. [-X

No one has said you can't. But then, on an open forum, shouldn't someone else be able to share their opinion? That's really the question at hand. Is the classified section an appropriate place for opinions, good, bad, or otherwise.

[LGAFF]

The problem is comments might deter a sale; your car is worth $X amount....not your place and no one here is a professional appraiser. Potentially even some liability if you are making unfounded statements...I would keep price opinions on the General forum.

[spork2367]

The problem is comments might deter a sale; your car is worth $X amount....not your place and no one here is a professional appraiser. Potentially even some liability if you are making unfounded statements...I would keep price opinions on the General forum.

ZERO liability. It's opinion on a public forum. And part of me doesn't feel bad that someone who has contributed nothing, and isn't a member of the registry gets some feedback when popping in just to try to sell their car.

That being said, I'm in agreement that there should be a rule change to keep that out of the classifieds. The problem is, that even after trying to shift the conversation to the general forum twice, people just continue to keep the conversation going there. There is no reason at this point that we can't discuss the cars in the general forum and just let the classifieds run their course.

You didn't see me blow a gasket when people posted comments on the price of the ECU I was selling, but this seems to be less about the sellers being pissed and more about a handful of others. Best to just eliminate the possibility of arguments there.

[LGAFF]

I am sure no one had malicious intent and they were only looking to help the person, just think its best to do it via private message. Its interesting I asked why there was "0" interest in my 92 on the other forum.

Feedback was it was alot for a C4 vs a c5/c6 and that financing in that amount was hard to come by

[spork2367]

And I'll apologize here if my comments were harsh, I'm definitely passionate about my arguments. The mentality that you have to have bought and sold 5+ ZR1s to understand valuation is a pretentious attitude to have though. Their are thousands of people who value cars for a living who have never owned the cars they value. I don't claim to be an expert and I'm in no way telling the people who were arguing the other side that they were completely wrong. They weren't. I'm not some new jack to classic car valuation though. More like we were arguing two sides of the same coin. Being willing to concede is apparently something more than a few of us struggle with...lol.

[LGAFF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI

[LGAFF]

trying a little levity....we have a great group of people here

[spork2367]

trying a little levity....we have a great group of people here

Good timing, we need some of that. This is a great group of guys and I don't want animosity between myself and anyone for sure. Valuation is just going to be one of those agree to disagree topics.

[Vette73]

I wonder if any other Corvette registries, example Z06,C1,C2,C3,C5 etc etc have these opinions of values on there cars......I guess it's because from what I understand the C4 ZR-1 was the most expensive car sold in the nineties...

Corvette did a good job at marketing this car back in the nineties ( Fastest car in the world) Sometimes I think they should have listened to what worked in the 60s early 70s,just put a big block in it with a high rise hood....What would have been wrong with an all aluminum 427 produced by Chevy?

[XfireZ51]

Good timing, we need some of that. This is a great group of guys and I don't want animosity between myself and anyone for sure. Valuation is just going to be one of those agree to disagree topics.

It would be best to express that opinion regarding general valuation in a separate thread devoted to that topic rather than embedding it as part of someone's "for sale" thread. If you'd like to offer a seller your guidance regarding proper pricing of their vehicle, a PM is probably the best way of doing that.

[rush91]

Opinions on valuations of our ZR-1s are just that....opinions. The market sets the values, not us. If one feels they have a $40,000 or $25000 Beast, its your car, you set the price. Two years ago I could of never afforded to get into one, but the market changed, and I now own my dream car.......

[spork2367]

It would be best to express that opinion regarding general valuation in a separate thread devoted to that topic rather than embedding it as part of someone's "for sale" thread. If you'd like to offer a seller your guidance regarding proper pricing of their vehicle, a PM is probably the best way of doing that.

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26637

I made that thread last time this happened. And all the people who wanted to discuss/argue their point disappeared. Then it happened again in the next for sale thread. I definitely helped exacerbate that problem, but didn't start it. Not any more. The other thread isn't going anywhere and I will keep my opinion about valuations there.

And I have PM'd three different people over the couple years I've been here about where they had items priced, based on what I had recently paid and what some other identical items were listed for other places. Drastically different reactions. One person who wasn't a regular and one who was both responded graciously. The third, who was a regular was absolutely obnoxious. Oh well.





Opinions on valuations of our ZR-1s are just that....opinions. The market sets the values, not us. If one feels they have a $40,000 or $25000 Beast, its your car, you set the price. Two years ago I could of never afforded to get into one, but the market changed, and I now own my dream car.......

I wonder if any other Corvette registries, example Z06,C1,C2,C3,C5 etc etc have these opinions of values on there cars......I guess it's because from what I understand the C4 ZR-1 was the most expensive car sold in the nineties...

Corvette did a good job at marketing this car back in the nineties ( Fastest car in the world) Sometimes I think they should have listened to what worked in the 60s early 70s,just put a big block in it with a high rise hood....What would have been wrong with an all aluminum 427 produced by Chevy?

Responding to both of these in the valuation thread as to not muck up this thread.