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onetinsoldier
10-02-2016, 12:08 PM
Ok I have #4 and #8 fouling repeatedly . I had the cat come apart on that side and cleaned it out , and I havent replaced the O2 sensor yet , any suggestions ? And its setting a code 64 ,lean exhaust . Thanks !
Are the fouled plugs "oily" or "dry-soot"?
onetinsoldier
10-02-2016, 01:49 PM
Are the fouled plugs "oily" or "dry-soot"?
looks like dry soot !
onetinsoldier
10-04-2016, 08:00 PM
I'm looking for an answer to a repeated problem , only 2 out of 8 plugs are sooty . Is it injector issues , plug wires , coils , plug gap ? Can backfiring be an issue ? All of the above ?
32valvesftw
10-04-2016, 08:36 PM
Probably best to move this to the technical section to get more answers. In any case. There are many potential causes, if its only two plugs try moving things around, like move a spark plug and the wire from a known good cylinder to your suspect one. If the problem follows the plug and wire, theres your problem. You can do the same for the injectors but it takes a bit more work.
If your car is a 90, it may be leaking valve guides.
Has there been an increase in oil consumption? Any misses. Any recent Mods?
Plug chart below for your reference
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjTibDLpsLPAhVIVWMKHSbOB-wQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aa1car.com%2Flibrary%2Fspark_ plug_fouling.htm&psig=AFQjCNHQKsVRhSM_a8abfjXGBq0NqfUVag&ust=1475710071916249
GOLDCYLON
10-04-2016, 09:05 PM
Probably best to move this to the technical section to get more answers. In any case. There are many potential causes, if its only two plugs try moving things around, like move a spark plug and the wire from a known good cylinder to your suspect one. If the problem follows the plug and wire, theres your problem. You can do the same for the injectors but it takes a bit more work.
If your car is a 90, it may be leaking valve guides.
Has there been an increase in oil consumption? Any misses. Any recent Mods?
Plug chart below for your reference
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjTibDLpsLPAhVIVWMKHSbOB-wQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aa1car.com%2Flibrary%2Fspark_ plug_fouling.htm&psig=AFQjCNHQKsVRhSM_a8abfjXGBq0NqfUVag&ust=1475710071916249
Moved ! GC
onetinsoldier
10-04-2016, 10:30 PM
Its a 91 ,no new mods ,actually I think its stock , new ecm though . I replaced the plugs , same thing , i used a spark detector on every plug , no issue , now i did gap the plugs at 35 , maybe go to 50 ? I did a fuel leak down test for about an hour , no drop in fuel pressure.
secondchance
10-04-2016, 10:46 PM
How many miles? Do you know whether you have original injectors or they had been replaced? If replaced, which brand?
32valvesftw
10-04-2016, 11:26 PM
Coils on 4 and 8 weak?
onetinsoldier
10-05-2016, 07:15 AM
I have no idea what was done to the car , I am the third owner for 0016 . I would like to find the first owner and ask ! There is a sticker on the rear glass for ZR1 registry , so maybe they still visit the site !
Dry soot vs Oily soot on plugs would indicate fuel or spark issue as opposed to oil fouling from guides or rings. 4 & 8 are not paired cylinders so it would require 2 coil or 2 plug wire issues.
No fuel pressure leak-down would indicate the injectors are not at fault mechanically.
Question: is the engine missing? Have you tried a low rpm (12~1500 rpm) pull in 6th gear? Does the engine buck or does it pull smoothly/gradually? Weak spark is usually the culprit if engine acts like it has modified camshafts.
Also of note: You mentioned the ECM being replaced. What is the background on the replacement ECM? Used, reconditioned, new, known to be good by test in another ZR-1?
onetinsoldier
10-05-2016, 10:12 PM
The ecm was reman from cardone for a 95 zr1 . As far as the 6th gear pull , you have to be going about 80 mph to even think about shifting to sixth , I believe this car has 2;73 gears or close to it ! My understanding is ,that's what got it to the 200 mph mark , I was told the car was tweaked , I just dont know what was changed . The front wheel pressure sensors were removed because they were causing a vibration around 190 and the handling was loose , so they lowered it by removing the factory shocks and put some orange colored ac delco shocks .
Today I did replace the plugs again with rapid fire #5 gapped at 50 , I didnt have a chance to drive it much , so tomorrow I'll test drive it and check the plugs
secondchance
10-05-2016, 10:48 PM
It wasn't 2.73 gear that got the car to 200 mph. I believe it was 3.45 in 5th (ZR-1 gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong). If you have to be doing 80 to use 6th, I suspect you may have issue with secondary system. Wheel pressure sensors being removed because it caused the car to vibrate? Is this what the last owner told you or did you remove sensors because the car vibrated when you drove at 190? Where was the car driven at 190? It would have taken more than some tweaking to get to 190.
I would start with proper diagnosis to see if secondary system is operating properly and check all injectors.
Code 64, sooty plugs, blown cats leads me to suspect injector issue.
Also, if I remember correct, .05 gap was for platinum tip plugs. Rapid fire plugs were available in conventional and platinum tips. if non-platinum tip, I believe .035 gap was what was spec'ed.
onetinsoldier
10-06-2016, 08:19 AM
the last owner told me the sensors were causing a vibration in the steering wheel that they didn't like , so by removing the sensors, it removed the cause of the vibration .The previous owner probably had the car at the circle track to test it , being that's what he did for a living . And you are right it would take more than tweaking to get to that speed !
onetinsoldier
10-10-2016, 12:31 AM
Ok this is nuts , update I put in another set of spark plugs RF5 gapped at .50, I removed the O2 sensor cleaned it with a compressed air spark plug cleaner , drove about 40 miles . No codes were set and no miss ! I will pull the plugs to see how they look tomorrow . I can't believe these engines are that particular on spark plugs !
onetinsoldier
10-11-2016, 03:15 PM
Update : I had cleaned the O2 sensor and changed the plugs to Rapid Fire 5, now there's still some soot at the base of the plug, not on the ceramic or the electrode or the ground strap . But no where near what it was , it had Bosch R6 in it , i tried a inexpensive autolite plug , to check it, then put in the RF plugs . Maybe a hotter plug ? Or new O2 sensors ? Both ?
onetinsoldier
07-07-2017, 05:55 PM
Ok , update , Now that I have had some time to work on the car , I changed to a hotter sparkplug RF6 and no more sooty plugs . Now to figure out the vibration between 1st and 4th , and from 5th to 6th gear !
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