Michelin PS2 335/35/17 back in production

[Helium3]

I saw on Tire Rack Gen I Viper rears are back in production. 1-2 Month back order. For the longest time I didn't see them except people trying to gouge customers on ebay for up to 1900 for just the rears.

[FU]

You saw that e-bay ad for 1900. plus shipping too ? He's going to sit on those old tires.

[BigJohn]

Old tires no good!

[GOLDCYLON]

Almost 2k for the rears only? Wow put down the crack pipe :confused:

[George Maz]

Earlier this year got the Michelin PS2 set of four $1300 shipped, then the price increased again as they were closing out 2015 production run for 335 rears. The fronts I had to wait for delivery after 2016 run. Can't wait to put them on nos A-molds.

Glad to see they're making them, but I'm still eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches everyday from how much these cost me!

[Vetman]

Does Goodyear still make 315's?

[GOLDCYLON]

Does Goodyear still make 315's?

Yes but they seem to measure them out production wise.

[spork2367]

So these fit stock wheels and don't rub? What are people running for fronts with them?

[GOLDCYLON]

Yes the same brand fronts just a smaller size

[spork2367]

So are they really worth 500.00 a tire?

[Mystic ZR-1]

So are they really worth 500.00 a tire?

Do ya just want someting that has tread and holds air?

[BigJohn]

Do ya just want someting that has tread and holds air?



Yep!
I like no skids!

[Vetman]

I have two sets of wheels. Chrome 90 wheels have michelins 335's and correct size on the front and they stick great. No clearance issues. On the other hand I have orginal gaterbacks on the orginal rims. Have them on now and they are the other extreme. I can hammer it about 20 in first gear and they break loose and we go sideways. It impressed my car guy friends. Lol

[spork2367]

Do ya just want someting that has tread and holds air?

Let me rephrase...The Michelins are 200.00 per tire more than Goodyears. What do they do that the Goodyears don't?

[efnfast]

Let me rephrase...The Michelins are 200.00 per tire more than Goodyears. What do they do that the Goodyears don't?
Stick

[Riviera]

You got that right - Love the Michelins on our 95

[spork2367]

Stick

200 dollars more "stick" per tire? It's not like the Goodyears are cheap tires.

[BigJohn]

200 dollars more "stick" per tire? It's not like the Goodyears are cheap tires.

If you have your Goodyears cut they stick quite well!!!


:)

[George Maz]

I chose Michelin for comfort as well, since Verdestien isn't made anymore. I have Verdestien on Gen l Dymags as well. New York City metro area roads suck. I envy you guys with long stretches of smooth scenic roads. The C4 rides is a little harsh, even in Tour mode. I've purchased Michelin exclusively for every vehicle.

While at Carlisle, I spoke to everyone I could that had Nitto555 on there car. A ZR-1 specialist commented that Nittos are 90% the performance of Michelins...at 1/3rd the price. I'm not sure if I like the newer Nitto G2's tread pattern & harder compound.

[spork2367]

I chose Michelin for comfort as well, since Verdestien isn't made anymore. I have Verdestien on Gen l Dymags as well. New York City metro area roads suck. I envy you guys with long stretches of smooth scenic roads. The C4 rides is a little harsh, even in Tour mode. I've purchased Michelin exclusively for every vehicle.

While at Carlisle, I spoke to everyone I could that had Nitto555 on there car. A ZR-1 specialist commented that Nittos are 90% the performance of Michelins...at 1/3rd the price. I'm not sure if I like the newer Nitto G2's tread pattern & harder compound.

That's the info I was looking for. I was trying to decide if I should drop the coin on a set of these while they are available, but my favorite local roads are in good shape and I'm not worried about ride as much.

There is also the Nitto NT05 and the NT555 G2. Nitto has 6 different front rear tires for the ZR1. That's pretty darn impressive.

[RussMcB]

If you have your Goodyears cut they stick quite well!!!


:)I see the smiley face so I'm sure this was posted in jest. I know I wouldn't shave any expensive Goodyears when there are already great DOT street/racing tires already available (like the Nitto NT05's). :-)

BTW, I ran full tread Goodyears at the NCM track and was pretty impressed with their stick. I was able to go plenty fast enough and have a blast. Admittedly, I'd choose different tires if lap times were important.

[batchman]

I see the smiley face so I'm sure this was posted in jest. I know I wouldn't shave any expensive Goodyears when there are already great DOT street/racing tires already available (like the Nitto NT05's). :-)

Shaving tread to 1/2 depth has been common practice for some tires in the more serious autocross realm for decades. Reduces tread squirm and resulting heat buildup. Also cures the "first 200 miles" wearing off the mold release compounds.

The modern "street tire" classes are using Bridgestone RE71R and Goodrich Rival S almost exclusively these days though, and neither of those seems to need shaving, probably due to the very limited void area.

Cheers,
- Jeff
(I don't get here much lately!)

[RussMcB]

Yeah, that was kind of my point. Hard to justify shaving away thousands of miles off expensive Goodyears when "pre-shaved" tires are already available (and probably better/faster than shaved Goodyears).

Do people still shave tires? I know it was common in past decades, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it in the past few years.

[batchman]

I seem to recall the Toyo R1R was better shaved, it is still favored in some sizes where the others aren't available. It's now been long enough since I used street rubber that I forget LOL!

Best,
- Jeff

[Mystic ZR-1]

Jeff, where ya been?

How about Toyo R888s
Probably stick great in the dry, not so good in
the wet? And treadwear, probably not too good?
They come in ZR-1 sizes and the $ isn't too bad.
All around, the Goodyears are probably the answer...
Wet, treadwear, noise, looks, value for the $, availability etc.

[batchman]

Jeff, where ya been?

How about Toyo R888s
Probably stick great in the dry, not so good in
the wet? And treadwear, probably not too good?
They come in ZR-1 sizes and the $ isn't too bad.
All around, the Goodyears are probably the answer...
Wet, treadwear, noise, looks, value for the $, availability etc.

Hey! Glad I can get back here sometimes.

Been busy racing my friends' sawzalled Mustang while I get the Z back together. If I could only figure out how to keep these Penskes compressed without letting the nitrogen out...

The R888 is a good sticky tire, and OK in the wet if I recall correctly. Wet meaning "shiny" as opposed to standing water on the highway, that is.

Had a "fun" time at the Solo Nationals in the CP Fox body. Full on rain on the 2nd day (ie the standing water above) on slicks was pretty much a pontoon boat thing. Steering wheel did absolutely nothing (not a good feeling!) unless I was braking at the same time. Glad to say I didn't kill any course workers, but my results look like I cared too much about that ;).

Best,
- Jeff

[Bob Eyres]

What kind of wear do you get out of these Michelins?
The Michelins I have on other cars get amazing long tread life, so much so that I've had to change them out because of age long before they wear out.
The Pilot Sports must be a much softer compound to be "sticky".

I'd love to get that 335 size for the rear, but not at twice the price of my 315 Toyo R888's.
If Toyo made that tire in the 335 size, there would be no need for Drag Radials :dancing

[Hog]

The 335/35/17 is a wide assed combo on the 17x13" Viper wheels.
Whats the fitment like on the 17x11" ZR-1 rims? Do they wear outr the centers of the tread?


Too bad the Vredersteins are no more.


The BFG drag radial was a nice sticky tire, including the 315/35/17.

[Bob Eyres]

The 335/35/17 is a wide assed combo on the 17x13" Viper wheels.
Whats the fitment like on the 17x11" ZR-1 rims? Do they wear outr the centers of the tread?

Too bad the Vredersteins are no more.

The BFG drag radial was a nice sticky tire, including the 315/35/17.

For correct fitment you need to widen the rims on the inside 1", to 12'.
There's a wheel shop in Texas that used to do it, for a reasonable price. Anybody remember where?

When rims are widened the tires look noticeably wider, have flat footprint, and look very badass. 335's on an 11" wide rim curl up slightly on the edges and that sort of defeats the purpose. I'm not sure the footprint is even increased, might be. Anybody have 335's on the rear?

[Bob Eyres]

[QUOTE=Hog;The BFG drag radial was a nice sticky tire, including the 315/35/17.[/QUOTE]

I've had them, and they really hook.

FYI, back in the day, I saw John Lingenfelter put BFG-DR 255x50x16" tires on a 415/LT5. They hooked up for some 60ft. times in the 1.50's even though they were not as wide as the 315's. At low pressure, the larger sidewall made a bigger, (longer), footprint = better launch.

[lfalzarano]

The Michelin 335’s needs a rim in the range of 11-13” according to Michelin. They are available at Discount Tire Direct for $372.99 each with free shipping and if you buy 4 Michelin’s there is a mail in rebate of $17.50 each. Net price is $355.49. Sam’s club has them as a special order for $406 each and Tire Rack has them for $385.15 plus shipping costs of $17.35 (dependent on your zip code) for a net total of $402.05


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[secondchance]

The Michelin 335’s needs a rim in the range of 11-13” according to Michelin. They are available at Discount Tire Direct for $372.99 each with free shipping and if you buy 4 Michelin’s there is a mail in rebate of $17.50 each. Net price is $355.49. Sam’s club has them as a special order for $406 each and Tire Rack has them for $385.15 plus shipping costs of $17.35 (dependent on your zip code) for a net total of $402.05


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Did you talk to them? Discount Direct website says out of stock and tire rack.com doesn't show Michelin 335 30 18.

Never mind. This is for 335 35 17.

[efnfast]

Just went shopping for fronts. I was hoping for the PS2's. Unavailable. Ended up with the Continental Extreme Contact. We shall see.

[secondchance]

Just went shopping for fronts. I was hoping for the PS2's. Unavailable. Ended up with the Continental Extreme Contact. We shall see.

17s or 18s?
My next car is gonna be Honda Accord!

[efnfast]

17's Yun, factory sizes. Hear ya on the accord.

[Paul Workman]

I can report that the Nitto 555 G2s are significantly better in the rain. Where my 555s would start to 'float" much above 48mph when sheeting (est. 1/4" to 1cm or 3/8"), where the "G2s" continued to grip perhaps 10 to 15 mph beyond the point the 555s dared to go.

This is anecdotal for sure, but my personal observations while driving in heavy rain while riding on 555s following Robert DeMarco's GS riding on "G2s". My next set of front tires will be the "G2s". (555r on the rear).

[efnfast]

I can report that the Nitto 555 G2s are significantly better in the rain. Where my 555s would start to 'float" much above 48mph when sheeting (est. 1/4" to 1cm or 3/8"), where the "G2s" continued to grip perhaps 10 to 15 mph beyond the point the 555s dared to go.

This is anecdotal for sure, but my personal observations while driving in heavy rain while riding on 555s following Robert DeMarco's GS riding on "G2s". My next set of front tires will be the "G2s". (555r on the rear).
Paul, are you saying the Nitto 555 compared to Nitto 555 G2?

[lfalzarano]

PS2’s are available as of 2/3. Honda’s are stones!


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[MickeyD]

Took my 90 in to Discount Friday as right rear tire was losing air. (Michelin) There were bubbles in both rears due to age. Bought in 2013 but mfr. date was 09. Thanks jss06c6 for pointing out. They are replacing free of charge but have to come from NC. Guy seemed very nervous about age of tire they installed. They actually put 2 brand new Goodyears on until new ones arrived. He didn't want me even driving home 7 miles on them. Anyone else had this problem? Will definitely check dates when installed. But I guess they are back in production.

[efnfast]

My Continentals are date coded 2717. But, these tires are brand new to the market.
Figures, sounds like I missed the PS2's by about a week.
However, the continentals ended up at $215 each, mounted, road force balanced and disposal of the old ones.
I ran PS2's and really liked them.

[dredgeguy]

I purchased Michelin Pilot Sport 2's May 2013, have 19,000 miles on them and still lots of meat left on the tires. I have the 335/35R17 on the rear and 275/40R17 on the front. 315 was not available but no problems using the 335, just speed of by a few MPH.

[MickeyD]

I purchased Michelin Pilot Sport 2's May 2013, have 19,000 miles on them and still lots of meat left on the tires. I have the 335/35R17 on the rear and 275/40R17 on the front. 315 was not available but no problems using the 335, just speed of by a few MPH.

Do you know the mfg. date on the rears?

[dredgeguy]

Do you know the mfg. date on the rears?
Yes, Jan 2013. Costco rejected 4 sets of tires delivered from Michelin because they were more then 2.5 years old. Costco will not accept any tires that are 2 years old or older. The manager said it was a big fight between Michelin and Costco on it, Michelin said no problem and Costco said no way. I try to drive the car most days as long as it is not rain or snow/salt on roads. Got stuck in the rain on the way to BG 2 years ago and they performed perfectly but as others have said, not inexpensive. Found my receipt and in 2013 it cost $1682 for the set of 4 including install and free road hazard insurance with 20,000 mile warranty. Still soft and good grip with no signs of age or hardness.

[MickeyD]

Yes, Jan 2013. Costco rejected 4 sets of tires delivered from Michelin because they were more then 2.5 years old. Costco will not accept any tires that are 2 years old or older. The manager said it was a big fight between Michelin and Costco on it, Michelin said no problem and Costco said no way. I try to drive the car most days as long as it is not rain or snow/salt on roads. Got stuck in the rain on the way to BG 2 years ago and they performed perfectly but as others have said, not inexpensive. Found my receipt and in 2013 it cost $1682 for the set of 4 including install and free road hazard insurance with 20,000 mile warranty. Still soft and good grip with no signs of age or hardness.

Thanks for info. As I said in previous post, the guy at discount was real nervous when he saw age of rears. I only have about 12k on them but he said the bubbles on them were extremely dangerous. I have hazard insurance on them so they are charging me $129 to replace both, but I think I'm going to talk to the manager and fight that.

[WARP TEN]

Yes, Jan 2013. Costco rejected 4 sets of tires delivered from Michelin because they were more then 2.5 years old. Costco will not accept any tires that are 2 years old or older. The manager said it was a big fight between Michelin and Costco on it, Michelin said no problem and Costco said no way. I try to drive the car most days as long as it is not rain or snow/salt on roads. Got stuck in the rain on the way to BG 2 years ago and they performed perfectly but as others have said, not inexpensive. Found my receipt and in 2013 it cost $1682 for the set of 4 including install and free road hazard insurance with 20,000 mile warranty. Still soft and good grip with no signs of age or hardness.

Charlie, I also got a set of Michelin Pilot Sports from Costco for the 95 a few years ago; 335s for the rear. They were great to work with and have high standards as you pointed out. I was worried about their balancing, as they did not have a Road Force balancer, but never had any balance problems. They made me come back after about 25 miles for a re torque. Later had a leaky valve (my fault for over inflating to 60 psi for the winter to avoid flat spots) that they repaired for free even knowing what I had done. Said manufacturer only warrants valves to 40 psi. Cost me about the same as yours in late 2013: $1,712. --Bob