Top 50 Fastest Muscle Cars Of All Time

[Jagdpanzer]

Check out where the C4 ZR-1 stacks up against the top 50 muscle cars of all time:

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/the-top-50-fastest-muscle-cars-of-all-time/

[XfireZ51]

Check out where the C4 ZR-1 stacks up against the top 50 muscle cars of all time:

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/the-top-50-fastest-muscle-cars-of-all-time/



Number F**king three. Impressive as hell and somebody was asking for top speed #. Where would it place then?

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[FU]

When looking at that list I tend to pay attention to the MPH at the end of the quarter and not the ET. The ET is more driver related.

See the 69 L88 automatic's time and MPH ? Someone was slipping and sliding down the quarter.




Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night Dom ? :dancing

[Jagdpanzer]

Appears the Z's big tires had a lot to do with its strong quarter mile time.
No doubt the big block Vettes, Camaro and Mopar hemi cars from the 1960s had an edge in available horse power but they lacked the tire technology to make good use off it.

[Paul Workman]

When looking at that list I tend to pay attention to the MPH at the end of the quarter and not the ET. The ET is more driver related.

See the 69 L88 automatic's time and MPH ? Someone was slipping and sliding down the quarter.

Maybe Bob Gillig can chime in here too. He used to race BBCs, and I remember him saying that in the late 60s and early 70s those bias-ply tires of the day were awful, and those same motors today on today's tires would easily cut a second or two off of "car magazine" times of that day.

Anywayz... Good stuff! As Z drivers, we know "a little" about "power under the curve". We see it at the drag strip where often the Z gets jumped at the line, but reals 'em in time after time; even lighter cars with a ≈ 25 HP (PEAK) advantage succumb to THE BEAST.

[Vette73]

Tend to agree with the muscle cars of the 60s and early 70s running on bias tires..
Hard to compare....When they tested the 91Z it ran I believe a 13.8 in the 1/4 mile..

They say temperature and high humidity played a role...There's many factors when making a list like that....Isn't the C5 Z06 faster in the 1/4 than the Z?.....I don't see it on the list...For that matter I don't see the new Vette on there either,or I missed it...

[LGAFF]

pure stock nationals

1. Chevrolet
11.66 @ 122.13
1969 Corvette
Jimmy Johnston
Engine: 427 L88
HP: 430 @ 5,800 rpm
Trans: M22 4-Speed
Axle: 4.56 Positraction
Weight: 3,408 lb

Running a very hot L78 Nova for years, Jimmy Johnston was always a force to be reckoned with, but moving to an L88 Corvette in 2005 vaulted him to the front of the pack. Johnston is the Pure Stock Drags low e.t. record holder at 11.43 seconds at 125.50 mph, and with the 11.50 cutoff rule now in force, he probably always will be. Johnston’s Corvette is the only manual transmission car in the 11s. That says it all about his skill with the clutch and shifter.

Other than the 427 L88’s extraordinary power, there’s nothing heroic or extreme under his Cortez Silver hood. Johnston has one high-tech trick up his sleeve though, an AEM air/fuel-ratio monitor.

“The gauge tells you how to make the car optimum, no matter what the weather,” he says. “I shoot for a 13:1 ratio, which is lean.”

A PerTronix Ignitor lights the fires reliably, and Jimmy has switched from NGK spark plugs to Denso. They don’t foul and have excellent reliability.

“I haven’t changed plugs in two years,” he says. “The car runs so clean.”

Jimmy revs the big 427 like a small-block. “I shift at 7,000, and have a rev limiter set at 7,200.”

Quick-shifting the four-speed is tough on a driveline, especially channeling the massive torque of an L88 at full throttle. “I’m lucky if I get 15-20 passes on a clutch,” says Johnston. He wisely used extra-heavy-duty parts when building the rearend and has never had a half-shaft or U-joint failure.

When you’re the top gun, you’re the target for all other gunslingers. This year Johnston had his hands full with a 1970 Hemi ‘Cuda. “He was ahead of me all the way,” he says. “I didn’t think I was going to catch him, but I barely did at the end.” The difference: 0.004 of a second, 11.694 to 11.698.

[LGAFF]

My 138K mile Z ran 12.88 @112.68 with stock cats; the difference between a 13.4 and 12.8 was launching at 3K vs 1K RPM.

[USAFPILOT]

Of all time would include some pretty awesome new cars, like my Hellcat. Time for a list newer than 2013.

[WARP TEN]

In 1969 and 1970 had a stock '68 Hemi Road Runner that I ran at 13.5/105 at Lions Dragway in So Cal. Firestone Wide Ovals, 4 speed and 3.54 gear. About the same time logged by Car & Driver in their review of it. I suspect that with a little tuning (headers, etc.) and todays tires it would have run a bit faster. I see an Automatic '70 hemi Road Runner was 15th on the list at 13.3/107 and that was a fast time then. --Bob

[BigJohn]

This is not a hemi but I have had it since I was a teenager!

[BigJohn]

My 440!

[rush91]

Forgive my blasphemy if that's the case, but is that a 1972 Satellite? I probably have the model wrong, but I do know that's a beautiful Penstar no matter what.....I was thinking that was a 383, but it's not a Hemi?

[BigJohn]

Forgive my blasphemy if that's the case, but is that a 1972 Satellite? I probably have the model wrong, but I do know that's a beautiful Penstar no matter what.....I was thinking that was a 383, but it's not a Hemi?

It's a 1971 Plymouth GTX; the last year for the GTX.
The 440 4 barrel was the small engine for GTX's.

[FU]

Very nice car John !!

[Arctic91]

It's a 1971 Plymouth GTX; the last year for the GTX.
The 440 4 barrel was the small engine for GTX's.

That's a really beautiful car!

:fahne:
Scott

[Dean Nelson]

Todays tires are a help.
My 1971 LS-6 has run 12.82 at 108 with tires
the one in the test has a 3.36 rear end and I have a 4:11 and M-22

the test LS-6 ran 13.72 it said....

so I assume all the "old cars" will move up a lot with tires.

Dean Nelson

[BigJohn]

I agree with you, modern tires will make the old muscle cars faster!

:cheers:

[Johnny5]

Check out where the C4 ZR-1 stacks up against the top 50 muscle cars of all time:

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/the-top-50-fastest-muscle-cars-of-all-time/

cool list but i don't know any stock ZR1 that runs 12.8 STOCK. Given I'm no professional driver but i can't imagine a professional running more than a few tenths bettter than my time. I ran 12.8 in my car but i have ported plenum, IH, full exhaust, KNN filter, I/H Coolant delete Heibeck chip and I believe thats it.

[WARP TEN]

cool list but i don't know any stock ZR1 that runs 12.8 STOCK. Given I'm no professional driver but i can't imagine a professional running more than a few tenths bettter than my time. I ran 12.8 in my car but i have ported plenum, IH, full exhaust, KNN filter, I/H Coolant delete Heibeck chip and I believe thats it.

My relatively stock '93 ran 13.1 at 108. My '95 with Haibeck 510 package (about 490 HP due to certain mod omissions) ran 12.4/116. --Bob

[5ABI VT]

I ran 12.4 with headers, k&n filter and haibeck chip. 2.3 60 foot.. on 19s pumped to 44 psi

[Johnny5]

Chevy definitely suuped that 1990 up, made sure the cam timing was at it's best and probably ported the heads or something bc a 3500lb car with only 375hp i can't see it running 12.8 stock, but if anyone else disagrees please chime in

[Vette73]

Chevy definitely suuped that 1990 up, made sure the cam timing was at it's best and probably ported the heads or something bc a 3500lb car with only 375hp i can't see it running 12.8 stock, but if anyone else disagrees please chime in

Maybe John,the 91 was clocked at 13.8 when they tested it the following year...Allthough, like I mentioned earlier,it was tested on a 95 degree humid day when they did the testing.....But a full second?

[XfireZ51]

Maybe ask Jim Ingles "Jingles" what he validated the car at.

[Paul Workman]

My relatively stock '93 ran 13.1 at 108. My '95 with Haibeck 510 package (about 490 HP due to certain mod omissions) ran 12.4/116. --Bob

Similar... My best pure stock 1990 time slip shows 13.1 @ 113 mph, 60' @ 2.2 on GY D3s (launch ≈2200 rpm). I had to feather the gas to get the tires to hook up. With DRs, I might have touched 12.x!

[Paul Workman]

Maybe ask Jim Ingles "Jingles" what he validated the car at.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim didn't get deep into the 12s. Jim said at a BG BBQ that he shifts at 6300 rpm w/o letting up to get the best time. I forgot what he said the time slip said.

[Johnny5]

Someone told me you have to power shift to get the best times out of these card

[Johnny5]

Granny shifting not double clutching like you should lol

[rush91]

So what RPM's does everyone shift at? I try to get out of 1st gear as quick as possible, then let her sing to about 6500, 2nd thru 4th......

[Johnny5]

When racing o rev my bitch to 7400

[Johnny5]

When racing o rev my bitch to 7400 i should have had Marc program it to 7500. One of my fav mods if u dont have it your missing out

[Paul Workman]

When racing o rev my bitch to 7400

Really? Is that according to the tach? A top-end ported Z w/ stock cams and headers hits peak power around 6800-7100 rpm. Revving to 7400 would typically put you on the lee-side of the power curve, and for sure on torque curve too. It would likely put you way beyond the prime shift point for a "granny" (let-up) method. Your cut-off would have to have been raised too, cuz stock cut-off is ≈ 7100 rpm.

I'm not doubting you, but from what mods I've read you have, 7400 shift is...pretty high. If you're reading the tach, then I'm wondering about the tach calibration? Course, if you've set a shift light according to a scanner, you're "golden".

[Johnny5]

Heibeck raised my redline with fuel cut off

[LGAFF]

Keep in mind they did not beat hard on the Z in mag testing, they even say so in some of the articles. Again with 138K miles on the cats and a corsa exhaust my car ran 12.88 112.68. Its the launch rpm that gets you deeper into the 12s.....Johnny 5 your car should be 12.4 or so at 117+...the issue us the more power the lower RPM you have to launch on street tires which is why you see a 27+ MPH pick up on the back end of the quarter.

[Vette73]

Keep in mind they did not beat hard on the Z in mag testing, they even say so in some of the articles. Again with 138K miles on the cats and a corsa exhaust my car ran 12.88 112.68. Its the launch rpm that gets you deeper into the 12s.....Johnny 5 your car should be 12.4 or so at 117+...the issue us the more power the lower RPM you have to launch on street tires which is why you see a 27+ MPH pick up on the back end of the quarter.

What would be the ideal launch RPM for a modded Z?
I'm figuring around 2-2,200 rpm..

[Johnny5]

whatever you can drop you clutch at and not spin Johnny lol:fahne:

I think I revved my car to 3k rpm t raceway when I ran 12.8 at 113.5mph

[PostmanZ]

Impressive list....#3 is a nice showing ;-)


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[Vette73]

whatever you can drop you clutch at and not spin Johnny lol:fahne:

I think I revved my car to 3k rpm t raceway when I ran 12.8 at 113.5mph

Got Ya Johnny Boy....Lol...

[Hog]

Ideally you want to launch at the torque peak rpm, but since no tires can hold that, as many rpm as traction allows. Ideally trapping a few hundred rpm above the power peak.