View Full Version : Winter Project - Intake Valve Upgrade
Jagdpanzer
02-05-2016, 10:13 PM
Working the heads over this winter installing a larger intake valve package I work out with Ferrea. Stock 39 mm intakes valves, seats, and springs to be replaced with 41.8mm stainless steel valves, springs and titanium retainers.Though 16% larger in area the Ferrea valve, locks and retainer weigh 8 grams less than the stock pieces. This setup is designed to work with a set 0.500" lift cams being made. Right now I plan to leave the stock exhaust valve setup more or less as is.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1318_zpsapikq22b.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1320_zpssjmxujsk.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1317_zpsdeo4uwgi.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1316_zpsmbf3hbyn.jpg
new valves in mock-up head
XfireZ51
02-05-2016, 11:59 PM
Phil,
You leaving the exhaust cams as is?
Demps
02-06-2016, 12:07 AM
Phil,
Very nice. I hope you're still interested in LT5s if I ever move close. I'm afraid you'd cost me some serious coin.
Ted
Jitse
02-06-2016, 03:50 AM
Nice upgrade!
I can see you relieved the intake side of the chamber a bit too, machineshop relieved intakes on my lt5 heads, it helps for sure in better flow.
XfireZ51
02-06-2016, 10:55 AM
Nice upgrade!
I can see you relieved the intake side of the chamber a bit too, machineshop relieved intakes on my lt5 heads, it helps for sure in better flow.
When you are doing that, are u shaving the heads to maintain CR or increase it?
Jagdpanzer
02-06-2016, 11:00 AM
Phil,
You leaving the exhaust cams as is?
No, new exhaust cams as well. Haven't finalized the design but will probably go with something around 0.450" lift so I can stay with the stock springs and retainers. These bucket lifter heads don't give you much room to play with like the pushrod crowd enjoys.
Paul Workman
02-06-2016, 11:48 AM
Working the heads over this winter installing a larger intake valve package I work out with Ferrea. Stock 39 mm intakes valves, seats, and springs to be replaced with 41.8mm stainless steel valves, springs and titanium retainers.Though 16% larger in area the Ferrea valve, locks and retainer weigh 8 grams less than the stock pieces. This setup is designed to work with a set 0.500" lift cams being made. Right now I plan to leave the stock exhaust valve setup more or less as is.
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1318_zpsapikq22b.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1320_zpssjmxujsk.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1317_zpsdeo4uwgi.jpg
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg333/pwasinger/IMG_1316_zpsmbf3hbyn.jpg
new valves in mock-up head
Juuuust lookin' at your combustion chambers, Phil. Looks too like a bit of relief applied to the chamber wall adjacent to the intake valves, AND the quench area looks to be reduced a bit as well. Did you do the porting? If not, who did (if I may ask)?
Looking familiar... (I did my own porting w/ advice and guidance fm the "FBI" gurus)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/tech%20files/Lingenfeltercut.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/tech%20files/Lingenfeltercut.jpg.html)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/tech%20files/6-19-10020.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/tech%20files/6-19-10020.jpg.html)
Jagdpanzer
02-06-2016, 02:31 PM
Paul,
I did the rough out porting work you see in the photo. On this build I will be going with 4.125" bore pistons and the 4.000" Bryant crank I used last time with the 402 CID motor. Also going with 6.000" rods this time for improved piston stability and reduced piston bore dropout at BDC. This doesn't leave much compression height for rings and dishing the piston tops for achieving the 12:1 compression ratio I'm shooting for. Stock combustion chambers measure around 39-40 CC. The chamber in the photo currently measures at 44 CC. 20 CC is probably max the piston tops can be safely dished to. Therefore I will probably have to take at least a couple more CC out of the combustion chambers to reach 12:1.
Johnny5
02-12-2016, 06:39 PM
Thats awesome, how much does that cost and how much hp does it add?
XfireZ51
02-12-2016, 08:39 PM
Phil,
Have u thought about using lighter lifters available from Sam?
Jagdpanzer
02-14-2016, 01:02 PM
Together with new cams target is around 50 hp.
Dom, are you referring to the Cosworth lifters I recall Sam mentioning a while back. Has anyone seen a spec sheet on these?
SAM/CH ZR-1
02-14-2016, 01:32 PM
Phil,
Did you install bigger valve seats?
Jagdpanzer
02-14-2016, 02:36 PM
Yes, 42.85mm OD
XfireZ51
02-15-2016, 12:36 AM
Together with new cams target is around 50 hp.
Dom, are you referring to the Cosworth lifters I recall Sam mentioning a while back. Has anyone seen a spec sheet on these?
Not sure if Cosworth or Porsche. I know Sam can fill you in on them. A set of them is circling O'hare right now as I understand it. Significantly lighter I was told.
SAM/CH ZR-1
02-15-2016, 01:41 AM
Together with new cams target is around 50 hp.
Dom, are you referring to the Cosworth lifters I recall Sam mentioning a while back. Has anyone seen a spec sheet on these?
I did send out before to the company a stock LT5 lifter for measuring and checking all components and sizes and if the light lifters match. Also I told them about the weight of all moving parts and the spring pressures. The leight lifters can handle with.
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