LED headlight upgrade

[secondchance]

My passenger side headlight died on me about a week ago. Instead of replacing the burnt out Silverstar, figured it to be an opportunity to get $24.95 discount on a pair of LED set. I had been keeping an eye on GE Nighthawk LEDs but at $260 ea. it wasn't easy decision. Then I noticed what looked to be the same or remarkably similar looking lights from Truck-lite.

I ordered a pair from Ebay and showed up on Friday.

Below is a shot of light pattern/color of Silerstar halogen (left) and Truck-lite LED (right). LED side is definitely whiter with much larger pattern.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgrv1wemm.jpeg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgrv1wemm.jpeg.html)

Shot of both sides installed. Note the light is divided horizontally with the top for low beam and lower side dedicated to high beam.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdq7o87dl.jpeg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdq7o87dl.jpeg.html)

Shot of light pattern on the wall with both sides.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpssjusrnav.jpeg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpssjusrnav.jpeg.html)

Now that my night vision isn't what it use to be, this definitely was a worthwhile upgrade. Whereas halogen throws straight, candle flame shaped bright area with lower lit areas left and right, LEDs throw more evenly lit, wide area. Also, LEDs throw light almost immediately in front of the car and forward. So much so, driving lights are pretty much not necessary.

Since purchase I noticed GE Nighthawks are available at $209 each from Amazon.

I haven't had time to modify driving light ground. At the moment when I switch on the driving light, I get high beam. I think I'll add HID driving lights when I modify the wiring.

[secondchance]

One more thing - over all, light color and pattern looks very similar to my BMW which came with HID lights. However, LED lights have sort of half a melon shaped bright spots at the furthest point in the middle.

I considered HIDs but my concern was being able to identify properly designed reflector. HID lamp light point source may be located different from halogen bulb being replaced and this change can have unpredictable affect on light pattern. These Truck-lite units and certainly GE units are designed as a self contained unit. As such, I had far less concern over resulting pattern.

[Billy Mild]

http://www.amazon.com/GENSSI-Projector-Headlight-Replacement-Housing/dp/B014Q6HSOY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1453052143&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+headlight+5x7

My wife got me these for Xmas. I have yet to install them. I am already running LED foglights and the light is almost Blue in color, but they are slightly brighter than stock. I will put these headlights in sometime over the winter. I'm sure they will be brighter than stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8C1CZ8W20

This video sums up the brightness. Can't wait to get them on the car.

[secondchance]

http://www.amazon.com/GENSSI-Projector-Headlight-Replacement-Housing/dp/B014Q6HSOY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1453052143&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+headlight+5x7

My wife got me these for Xmas. I have yet to install them. I am already running LED foglights and the light is almost Blue in color, but they are slightly brighter than stock. I will put these headlights in sometime over the winter. I'm sure they will be brighter than stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8C1CZ8W20

This video sums up the brightness. Can't wait to get them on the car.

Look forward to comparison.:cheers:

[efnfast]

Wow, that was an impressive video.

[Hib Halverson]

HID techology is being rapidly displaced by LED. Stick with the Nighthawk conversion. It works really well.

I tested them in a C4 for another web site and they worked quite well. To read the article, click here. (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/reviews/electrical-and-ignition/p128-ge-lighting-nighthawk-led-headlight-for-c4.html)

[secondchance]

HID techology is being rapidly displaced by LED. Stick with the Nighthawk conversion. It works really well.

I tested them in a C4 for another web site and they worked quite well. To read the article, click here. (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/reviews/electrical-and-ignition/p128-ge-lighting-nighthawk-led-headlight-for-c4.html)

LEDs are being adapted in residential and commercial buildings also primarily due to about 40% energy savings and quality of light. For use in buildings, drivers are needed to step down the voltage, which of course, is not needed for automotive use. Also, lack of filament means durability in dealing with road impacts. With 30,000 hours life expectancy, I expect this pair to out last the car. Just my two cents...:cheers:

[XfireZ51]

HID techology is being rapidly displaced by LED. Stick with the Nighthawk conversion. It works really well.

I tested them in a C4 for another web site and they worked quite well. To read the article, click here. (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/reviews/electrical-and-ignition/p128-ge-lighting-nighthawk-led-headlight-for-c4.html)


So there's no complicated conversion to the LEDs? I agree w you regarding driving the C4 at night, particularly those of us that are further down the line in years.

[ZR1North]

Very timely as I am part way through converting all my interior and exterior lights. Did you have difficulty plugging in the LED headlights to the factory plugs? I am thinking of Hib's Nighthawk write-up wherein which he notes the difficulty plugging in the Nighthawks to the factory headlight wiring (looks like a very hard squeeze was required).

[secondchance]

Mine are Truck-lite brand LEDs and not GE. Plugging wasn't that difficult. Remember-driving light ground wire has to be modified per Hib's article.

[-=Jeff=-]

Do you have an eBay link? Curious as to what ones you ended up with.

[secondchance]

Do you have an eBay link? Curious as to what ones you ended up with.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1312.R1.TR10.TRC1.A0.H0.Xtr uck+lite.TRS1&_nkw=truck+lite+led+5x7&_sacat=0

[ZR1North]

Mine are Truck-lite brand LEDs and not GE. Plugging wasn't that difficult. Remember-driving light ground wire has to be modified per Hib's article.
I noted the difference which is why I asked. Will keep this in mind - thanks for the update.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Awesome!!! Thanks for sharing Yun....I'm all over it.

[C4Ray]

Great topic!

[BigIke]

WOW! The SlilverStars are good lights... Those Nighthawks are amazing! Thank you, I've been looking at those since i go my Juan...

[USAFPILOT]

any chance of a how to thread for this conversion...it seems a much better option than HID's

[secondchance]

any chance of a how to thread for this conversion...it seems a much better option than HID's

Really not much to it:

* Rotate headlights half way. I normally turn the headlight switch to full on followed by switch to off position and back to parking light only position when in desired position. Or, use manual knob to rotate to half way position.
* Now, two screws on the sides of the light bezel is accessible and remove able.
* Remove two T-15 tore head screws on lower edge of the housing. Get ready to catch the housing as these bolts are removed.
* With the housing removed four screws for the stainless steel band trim holding the headlight in headlight bucket can be removed.
* Pull the headlight forward just enough to expose electrical connector to the headlight and disconnect.
* remove headlight.

Installation of new LED headlight is the reverse of above steps.

Refer to Hib's picture and re-wire driving light ground wire (green wire) to counter inoperable driving lights caused by factory wiring where driving light ground is through the high beam ground:

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/reviews/showfull.php?product=128&bigimage=799_11.jpg

[ghlkal]

What the ... ?! You guys drive your Zs at NIGHT?! Isn't that like driving in the rain :p


Seriously, this looks like a great upgrade.


I know we won't be driving in the snow, but since LEDs don't produce much heat, the lens could get coated with ice. We've had this discussion on a snowplow forum and the big downside is having to clear them off as you're plowing.

[XfireZ51]

Maybe Robert should look at this as a "group buy" candidate.

[dredgeguy]

Maybe Robert should look at this as a "group buy" candidate.

Great suggestion, I am in.

[secondchance]

What the ... ?! You guys drive your Zs at NIGHT?! Isn't that like driving in the rain :p


Seriously, this looks like a great upgrade.


I know we won't be driving in the snow, but since LEDs don't produce much heat, the lens could get coated with ice. We've had this discussion on a snowplow forum and the big downside is having to clear them off as you're plowing.

Interestingly, LEDs and even HIDs with higher color temp (more white and bluish as opposed to halogen which are yellowish) are less effective in rain (more reflection off the road), snow and fog (light bounces back as opposed to penetrating).

[Paul Workman]

I'll sign up, provided they are the "DOT approved" lights with a distinct drive line, e.g. the GENSSI DOT (they claim) approved LED 7x6 type light.

In the video below shows two different lights, their original LED headlight and the next "DOT APPROVED" version - with the distinct drive line (keeps light out of on-coming driver's eyes).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8C1CZ8W20

We wouldn't want to jump the gun and do a group buy before having these picayune things specified, right?

Count me IN!

[secondchance]

Paul,
These are DOT approved lights.
I wasn't sure whether I would like these or not. So, when I made the purchase I ordered from an outfit who offered 30 day money back guarantee.
If someone sets up a group buy, I recommend 30 day return policy is part of the deal just in case.

[randy ransome]

Count me in on a group buy. It looks like they light up the night much better than the stock lights and I'm six days older than St Louis so I can't see at night.





:fahne:

[C4Ray]

A lot of folks rave about JW Speaker LED Headlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AR2XHtrTyw

Which is better?

[secondchance]

A lot of folks rave about JW Speaker LED Headlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AR2XHtrTyw

Which is better?

I have not seen any car with this particular light. Also, these lights are about $300 ea. - quite pricey compared to GE Nighthawk and Truck-lite.
I felt very comfortable with the Nighthawks because of GE's reputation but ended up buying Truck-lite because of price and a strong suspicion that they were manufactured by the same manufacturer. I am hoping to compare my Truck-lite unit with another Wazoo car with GE Nighthawks soon.

[Billy Mild]

It has been snowing here so I need to wait for it to melt before swapping lights. After I do that I will let you all know. The lights look nicely built.

[USAFPILOT]

I am in for some Night Hawks.

[XfireZ51]

One reason I don't drive much at night is because of inadequate lighting. Running around locally in the Chicago suburbs, there's enough street lighting to allow use of just my halogen fogs.

[Agpilot1]

I'd be onboard with a group buy, if it came about. My light output at night is lacking, and have been thinking about an upgrade. Good thread!

[Billy Mild]

If anyone is interested I could give you the coupon they sent to me with my Genessi headlights from Amazon. It's $10 off $100 spent or $20 off $200. PM if interested.

[Paul Workman]

I don't drive my Vettes in the snow...very often. BUT! Before jumping on (any) bandwagon, look at this video showing the GE Nighthhawk/Truck Lite LED...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43taQiTh3g

It would appear someone driving in the snow w/ the LEDs one would be F'ked in a very short time.

Food for thought. As long as we're talking Corvettes that as a rule don't see many blizzards, it probably isn't an issue.

At the moment, I like the GENNSSI DOT approved LED headlights. (Amazon), far as the patterns it throws; Low beam "drive line" especially.

Still on the fence...ready to pull the trigger. But, at $400 ish for the pair, I wouldn't want to be sorry for not shopping some more.

[cvette98pacecar]

I don't drive my Vettes in the snow...very often. BUT! Before jumping on (any) bandwagon, look at this video showing the GE Nighthhawk/Truck Lite LED...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43taQiTh3g

It would appear someone driving in the snow w/ the LEDs one would be F'ked in a very short time.

Food for thought. As long as we're talking Corvettes that as a rule don't see many blizzards, it probably isn't an issue.

At the moment, I like the GENNSSI DOT approved LED headlights. (Amazon), far as the patterns it throws; Low beam "drive line" especially.

Still on the fence...ready to pull the trigger. But, at $400 ish for the pair, I wouldn't want to be sorry for not shopping some more.

Paul, Hold off I am trying to find a vendor where we can get a group buy and Sponsorship in one swoop.

[32valvesftw]

I will be watching this thread, as a motorcyclist they always say don't out ride your lights. My lights are no wheres near up to the task, and I have H4s

[-=Jeff=-]

Paul, Hold off I am trying to find a vendor where we can get a group buy and Sponsorship in one swoop.

for which ones?

[edram454]

I would be interested in the LED lights. I have brand new in a box HID lights for the corvette but the installation is a little tricky and I would much rather just plug and play. They were over 200 or 300?bucks and I would hate not to use them since they were a gift from wifey. still like leds. I think they have halos and a projector bulb?? it was a kit I picked out but once I saw the install it has sat in the box.

ed ramos #3028

[Paul Workman]

for which ones?

Hello Jeff,

Still somewhat an open question. For example, this (HR Revolution (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifsEY7KbBg)) video, demonstrates how much the market "come to light", as it were. There must be going on two dozen+ vendors out there; some DOT/SAE approved, some not, some with really nice HI/LO beam patterns, some not so good, some with higher temp (aproaching the BLUE end of the visible light spectrum - (very undesirable feature, BTY).

However, LEDs might be the new, sexy way to go. True, they have a lot going for them. But, Lumens isn't everything - by far! How the light is focused, i.e., the pattern as it relates to the road and safety to traffic headed AT US, and whether or not rain or fog becomes a "blizzard" or white-out is very important. No prize given for a rush to judgement...is my point. AND! Just because they're made by GE or Panasonic or whomever shouldn't be the determining factor. Performance, quality, warranty, price...all have a place in the (as yet) not firmly defined product/technology.

For example, a good HID light (remember those?): what it may lack in LUMENS, (perhaps) it may gain in practical effectiveness in fog/rain due to lower color 'temp'. (http://www.seesmartled.com/kb/choosing_color_temperature/) Bright on a clear night is good, but in fog or rain or snow, a bluish (6000K+ temp) would reflect badly, looking like bright white confetti against a black background...something to think about. (The reason FOG lights are amber. Amber/red does not rreflect as much, hence less reflection by water back at the driver. And, BTW, the HIDs generate enough heat that they melt snow/ice thus keeping the lens clear and dry.

Just to cut through the hype, I'm massaging a spreadsheet, replete with links and light pattern (HI/LO beam) photos for reference to help me get "dip-stick" review of what is out there. But, I intend to choose one in time to complete my winter upgrades - in time to do the MR4 this spring.

If you're interested, I'll consolidate it and post it - and you can see what I've come up with at that point (a work in progress), how they compare, and we can discuss and anybody can join in to share ideas.

Ideally, we may be able to pic one or two and have a joint purchase (per Robert's suggestion). But regardless, I hope to have something installed in the next 3 months - in time for next spring. Let's keep in touch!


Paul.

[secondchance]

We have been snowed in, here in mid-Atlantic region, since noon Friday. I was getting bored so figured I would re-ground driving light relay per Hib's post. Took somewhat longer and learned that later year passenger side hush panel is a bit different from early Zs.

Nonetheless, done!
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu303/byongyun/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpscxbgu5of.jpeg (http://s658.photobucket.com/user/byongyun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpscxbgu5of.jpeg.html)

Although it's tough to tell looking at digital photo, those halogen driving lights look pathetic. Next - HID driving lights to match.

[secondchance]

As I stated in earlier post and Paul is re-emphasizing, whiter (and bluer) lights will reflect off of wet road, reflect back in snow and fog. Paul is absolutely correct that snow will build up and freeze in front of the lens because LEDs don't produce much heat. If you drive frequently at night in the rain or snow, I would suggest a set of HIDs with color temp below 4000k.

[Billy Mild]

BOX:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202054_zpsierqyttu.jpg

Light:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202115_zps5ge3wylb.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202135_zpsazndxhmx.jpg

Comparison between stock and new LED light. This is in my garage

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_203701_zpsuzkn23b6.jpg

LED Fogs, One LED headlight, and One stock headlight.
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_203642_zpsxhdes8ul.jpg

Now that I have both LED headlights the fogs no longer work. I am going to fix that.

[Billy Mild]

First drive around the block was amazing. I can actually see the road. These lights are a little bluish, but mostly bright white. Now I would like to get a set of really bright Yellow foglight bulbs. Like a 3000-3500 Kelvin color.

[Karl]

$400 for headlights seems a little steep.

Anyone use this kit?

http://www.corvettemods.com/Corvette-C4-1984-1996-HID-Conversion-Headlight-Kit-_p_7971.html

and for the fog lights http://www.corvettemods.com/Corvette-C4-1984-1996-Fog-Light-HID-Conversion-Kit_p_7972.html

Looks to be the best bang for the buck to me.

And this halo light but it does not appear to be plug and play

http://www.corvettemods.com/84-96-C4-Corvette-Oracle-Sealed-Beam-SMD-Halo-Headlight-Assembly--Pair_p_9651.html

Oracle seems to have some nice lights but none on their website for the C4 corvette.


The halo lights look nice. Maybe not for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHJ87kEfRsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJURWbO-Qyw

[-=Jeff=-]

the white car int he corvettemods picture is NOT using the corvettemods kit.

that white car has the same CorvetteHID kit that GoldCylon has.

I agree $400 is steep for headlights..

The ones Billy mild posted are only $130 each by doing a web search..

Billy, are these what you bought?

https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo

still at $260 for a pair

[GOLDCYLON]

As I stated in earlier post and Paul is re-emphasizing, whiter (and bluer) lights will reflect off of wet road, reflect back in snow and fog. Paul is absolutely correct that snow will build up and freeze in front of the lens because LEDs don't produce much heat. If you drive frequently at night in the rain or snow, I would suggest a set of HIDs with color temp below 4000k.

Concur !

[GOLDCYLON]

the white car in the corvettemods picture is NOT using the corvettemods kit.

that white car has the same CorvetteHID kit that GoldCylon has.

Actually that is not my kit, Mine has a separate projection lens and has a high and low function with an internal blocking blade on a solenoid and is true plug and play. No Cutting, grounding or repinning issues required by lessor systems.

I agree $400 is steep for headlights..

I paid $800 for my kit so....... I did this for safety purposes only. Since I have spotted two Deer, 5 coyotes and a Mule in the road way on my way into work as I leave the house at 430 AM daily Id have to say they have paid for themselves. The Deer were on a road trip about 50 miles south of Elko Nevada and I had considerable time to stop before impact. Many years latter (today) the LEDS would have been a choice for me now since snow and ice are not much of a problem in Arizona usually. However I am 100% satisfied with my HIDs. The cheaper LEDS have a lot of appeal. As -=JEFF=- well knows I have been into LEDs for almost ten years now as they are the future. I been running them on my car daily without a single problem or to date (Failure)

The ones Billy mild posted are only $130 each by doing a web search..

Billy, are these what you bought?

https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo

still at $260 for a pair[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

[Karl]

the white car int he corvettemods picture is NOT using the corvettemods kit.


Do you have a picture of the corvette hid kit?

[-=Jeff=-]

Do you have a picture of the corvette hid kit?

no I don't

I also think corvettehid is no longer in business

[GOLDCYLON]

no I don't

I also think corvettehid is no longer in business

Kinda I still have a POC he still be able to help

[Billy Mild]

the white car int he corvettemods picture is NOT using the corvettemods kit.

that white car has the same CorvetteHID kit that GoldCylon has.

I agree $400 is steep for headlights..

The ones Billy mild posted are only $130 each by doing a web search..

Billy, are these what you bought?

https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo

still at $260 for a pair

Those don't look like the same brand. Mine are DOT approved.

http://www.amazon.com/GENSSI-Projector-Headlight-Replacement-Housing/dp/B014Q6HSOY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1453052143&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+headlight+5x7

Only a few bucks more and knowing they are DOT approved is worth it.

That CorvetteMods.com HID kit is suspect. That projector is meant for a halogen bulb, not an HID bulb. You would be better off with this ebay kit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/H6054-7x6-BLACK-CUSTOM-RETROFIT-TRU-PROJECTOR-HEADLIGHTS-CONVERSION-6000K-HID-/201403164084?hash=item2ee49065b4:g:hYoAAOSwMmBVxRB z&vxp=mtr

Thing is these are not ideal unless a proper projector is used. If a halogen projector is used the cutoff won't be right. Granted just about anything is going to be brighter than stock headlights. I still can't believe how bad they were. I am really happy with the LED headlights. I can actually see the road. LOL.

[Karl]

I have driven in the cold and probably will do again. I am leaning towards the hid lights.

Corvette mods has the projector lens for an extra $99.00

Looking for something simple, reliable, and effective.

I prefer a plug and play system.

[edram454]

just bought the genssi led lights. I have the corvettemod HID kit in a box that I will be selling. It is the diamond cut lens with little led running lights on the sides. complete kit never installed in its box. I did install the hid fog lights but the headlights were not. it has the 55 watt balast which was extra. dont know what to ask.. maybe half price. I dont believe corvettemods sells the c4 hid anymore.

I will sell for 100 buyer pays shipping. send me pm if interested.

dont mean to hijack thread just posted that I bought the genssi leds and when I get my car back from sgc they will be installed and will post my findings.

ed ramos #3028

[edram454]

http://www.amazon.com/GENSSI-Projector-Headlight-Replacement-Housing/dp/B014Q6HSOY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1453052143&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+headlight+5x7

My wife got me these for Xmas. I have yet to install them. I am already running LED foglights and the light is almost Blue in color, but they are slightly brighter than stock. I will put these headlights in sometime over the winter. I'm sure they will be brighter than stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8C1CZ8W20

This video sums up the brightness. Can't wait to get them on the car.

are your lights 7x6 or 7x5? your link took me to a 7x6 headlight. i cant find 7x5 genssi hid lights. i saw your box says 5x7 lamp. where did you get yours?

ed ramos #3028

[Karl]

Those don't look like the same brand. Mine are DOT approved.

http://www.amazon.com/GENSSI-Projector-Headlight-Replacement-Housing/dp/B014Q6HSOY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1453052143&sr=8-5&keywords=LED+headlight+5x7

Only a few bucks more and knowing they are DOT approved is worth it.

I can actually see the road. LOL.

They are the same model number A0102 yours is just in black and both are DOT approved.

I will go this route since they are DOT approved.

[-=Jeff=-]

For now, I am sticking with my Autopal lenses and H4 bulbs..

for now anyway

[Karl]

BOX:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202054_zpsierqyttu.jpg

Light:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202115_zps5ge3wylb.jpg

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_202135_zpsazndxhmx.jpg

Comparison between stock and new LED light. This is in my garage

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_203701_zpsuzkn23b6.jpg

LED Fogs, One LED headlight, and One stock headlight.
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab123/billymild/zr1/IMG_20160127_203642_zpsxhdes8ul.jpg

Now that I have both LED headlights the fogs no longer work. I am going to fix that.

Do you know how much those lights weight versus the original lights? More, less, the same?

Thanks

[Karl]

For now, I am sticking with my Autopal lenses and H4 bulbs..

for now anyway

Did you make your own HID bulb kit?

Details please....

[Billy Mild]

are your lights 7x6 or 7x5? your link took me to a 7x6 headlight. i cant find 7x5 genssi hid lights. i saw your box says 5x7 lamp. where did you get yours?

ed ramos #3028

The amazon AD I posted is the exact same place I bought my headlights. They are 5x7 or 7x6. They are the same headlight.

[Billy Mild]

Do you know how much those lights weight versus the original lights? More, less, the same?

Thanks

They weigh quite a bit more. The stock lights are all plastic and weigh maybe 1 pound. The new lights have a huge metal heatsink. If I had to guess I would say maybe 5 lbs.

[edram454]

The amazon AD I posted is the exact same place I bought my headlights. They are 5x7 or 7x6. They are the same headlight.

thank you Mr. Mild. i cant wait to install these babies soon. it will be nice to actually not guess where things are at night. Ha!!

ed ramos #3028

[Mystic ZR-1]

They weigh quite a bit more. The stock lights are all plastic and weigh maybe 1 pound. The new lights have a huge metal heatsink. If I had to guess I would say maybe 5 lbs.

Back in the day, wasn't GM going to the plastic lites due to a weight concern?
Easier on the operating mechanism.
Not an issue any more?
Agreed stock lites are terrible!
In the 3 C4s I've owned , they all ran Hella Z Beams w/H4 55/100w bulbs.
Way better than stock 55/60w halogens! 100/130w bulbs would probably work better but I'd be concerned with current draw, not to mention way too bright for low beams.
What do the LEDs look like on low beam to the oncoming traffic?
Could be an excuse to stop you if the oncoming traffic's a cop...

[Andy]

I don't drive my Vettes in the snow...very often. BUT! Before jumping on (any) bandwagon, look at this video showing the GE Nighthhawk/Truck Lite LED...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43taQiTh3g

It would appear someone driving in the snow w/ the LEDs one would be F'ked in a very short time.

Food for thought. As long as we're talking Corvettes that as a rule don't see many blizzards, it probably isn't an issue.

At the moment, I like the GENNSSI DOT approved LED headlights. (Amazon), far as the patterns it throws; Low beam "drive line" especially.

Still on the fence...ready to pull the trigger. But, at $400 ish for the pair, I wouldn't want to be sorry for not shopping some more.

Since LEDs seem to be the future of lighting, does anyone know what the auto manufacturers are doing to combat this problem of color temp and adverse reflection?

[secondchance]

Since LEDs seem to be the future of lighting, does anyone know what the auto manufacturers are doing to combat this problem of color temp and adverse reflection?

Nothing I'm aware of. Easy solution would be lower color temp for driving/fog lights.

[secondchance]

Update - I met up with Sccrem last Saturday at the local cars & coffee. We parked side by side and turned on botha LED headlights (Sccrem inastalled a set of GE Nighthawks a few months ago). Although the daylight was breaking and not completely dark, light patterns looked pretty much identical. Further visual inspection of the lens, inside under (high beam LED) and upper (low bead LED) looked identical. Only difference was GE having a chrome bar separating the low/high beam with GE logo. Later Google search indicated GE is actually re-branded Truck Lite LEDs - if you believe what you read on the internet. Regardless, I am convinced that both originates from the same manufacturer.

[Locobob]

After nearly plowing an errant deer last night I must say my interest in this thread has been perked....

[Karl]

I did the auto pal and h4 upgrade off eBay.

~$70

[ghlkal]

Later Google search indicated GE is actually re-branded Truck Lite LEDs - if you believe what you read on the internet. Regardless, I am convinced that both originates from the same manufacturer.

Thanks for posting this. My investigation indicates the same thing.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Thanks Yun! I received my Truck-Lite LED headlights today and installed as soon as I came home. I love it. I did not drive with them yet, but impressed with everything so far.

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[secondchance]

Thanks Yun! I received my Truck-Lite LED headlights today and installed as soon as I came home. I love it. I did not drive with them yet, but impressed with everything so far.

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I'm glad you are happy with the result! Did you modify the fog light ground? My first mod (my own) and second mod (Charlie's 92), I cut and re-grounded fog light ground wire. For the 3rd (Rich's 90) and the 4th (Phil's 94), I removed the relay, bent the leg connecting to the ground, soldered a piece of wire and grounded to the frame - much neater solution. I can't remember who suggested it but it works beautifully!

BTW, is that a custom bumper? Shinoda?

Happy New Year, Craig!

[edram454]

My two cents, personally I like the CREE Led lights better. Thank God I sold them before the car was sold so it went to a good home but the had a much more exotic look than these. If my car was behind you with the lights on you would think it was a Pagani Zonda. Absolutely my favorite LED lights.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

I'm glad you are happy with the result! Did you modify the fog light ground? My first mod (my own) and second mod (Charlie's 92), I cut and re-grounded fog light ground wire. For the 3rd (Rich's 90) and the 4th (Phil's 94), I removed the relay, bent the leg connecting to the ground, soldered a piece of wire and grounded to the frame - much neater solution. I can't remember who suggested it but it works beautifully!



BTW, is that a custom bumper? Shinoda?



Happy New Year, Craig!


Hey Yun,
Thanks so much for always sharing your how tos and saving so much time and energy for others that follow. No, I have to do the fog light ground and will attack it tomorrow. Coincidently I need to install ETC reader for toll booths. It is hell to get in and out of the car and dangerous; especially from the opposite side. While I'm under the dash, might as well attack it.

The bumper is a BSM Yokohama. A friend helped me find a used one and boy did it need surgery.

Happy New Year too!!!


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[XfireZ51]

My two cents, personally I like the CREE Led lights better. Thank God I sold them before the car was sold so it went to a good home but the had a much more exotic look than these. If my car was behind you with the lights on you would think it was a Pagani Zonda. Absolutely my favorite LED lights.

Ed,

U have a link for those?

[secondchance]

Ed,

CREE LED you are referring to - are these LED bulbs only or 5x7 including reflectors?

[secondchance]

Craig,

FYI - later cars have smaller relays that sit on a tray with a rectangular plastic cover. To remove the cover squeeze the narrower sides of the cover. This will cause the plastic prongs to retract and allow the cover to slide up. Took me awhile to figure this out...

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Craig,



FYI - later cars have smaller relays that sit on a tray with a rectangular plastic cover. To remove the cover squeeze the narrower sides of the cover. This will cause the plastic prongs to retract and allow the cover to slide up. Took me awhile to figure this out...


Thanks so much for another heads up tip. My first time going under dash on this 95.

Any recommendation about key on ignition source to tap into on driver's side for electronic toll booth card reader? I have to install this sucker today.

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Like Hib mentioned I might want to pull the seat for more comfort under there. Might as well install the Corbeau seat while I'm at it....

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Do you see how one thing leads to another? Lol!



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Ed,



U have a link for those?


I hope it's not these CREEs?


https://www.amazon.com/New-World-Motoring-Headlamp-Headlight/dp/B0162YBFD8





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[secondchance]

Any recommendation about key on ignition source to tap into on driver's side for electronic toll booth card reader? I have to install this sucker today.


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When I decided to run a 4" screen Garmin, specifically to alert red light cameras and photo radars, I picked driver side top of the windshield powered by permanent cord. For this, I ran the power code down along the driver side A pillar, behind the dash side panel and tapped into door window power wire. I think it was yellow but suggest you verify the color.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

When I decided to run a 4" screen Garmin, specifically to alert red light cameras and photo radars, I picked driver side top of the windshield powered by permanent cord. For this, I ran the power code down along the driver side A pillar, behind the dash side panel and tapped into door window power wire. I think it was yellow but suggest you verify the color.

Thanks so much Yun! I'll check the FSM and that location. I always appreciate your advice and details (engineer background guys). I'll dust off my Gordon Killebrew circuit tester as it will come in handy. I was just telling my Japan friends I need to get a good radar/laser/stop light/photo device. I'll also put the antenna of the ETC reader in the radar detector window of windshield. :cheers:

[dredgeguy]

It is so nice to be able to see at night, we have lots of deer out this time of year and things that go bump in the night scare me! After Yun did the install, I went to a MD inspection station and paid $28 for them to do the alignment. Both lights were low and to the left. With bright LED's you want to be sure they are in the right position.

Happy New Year to all my ZR-1 brothers....hope for a safe, healthy and successful 2017.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Thanks again Yun. The tip for the yellow power window wire was spot on and it took no time at all to tap. Elephant memory my friend. Thanks Charlie, it better make sure my aim is good to go. Supposedly some to do with driving on the opposite side of the road here and same European standard lights instead of DOT.so I'm illegal here. JW Speaker sell LED ECE versions, but too expensive. Happy New Year!


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[secondchance]

Thanks again Yun. The tip for the yellow power window wire was spot on and it took no time at all to tap. Elephant memory my friend. Thanks Charlie, it better make sure my aim is good to go. Supposedly some to do with driving on the opposite side of the road here and same European standard lights instead of DOT.so I'm illegal here. JW Speaker sell LED ECE versions, but too expensive. Happy New Year!


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Glad to be of help! GE and Trucklite LEDs have symmetrical light pattern (doesn't favor one side or another). Just a matter of aiming slightly away from the opposite traffic.
Happy new year! It's the year of the chicken (or rooster).

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Glad to be of help! GE and Trucklite LEDs have symmetrical light pattern (doesn't favor one side or another). Just a matter of aiming slightly away from the opposite traffic.

Happy new year! It's the year of the chicken (or rooster).


You're awesome Yun! Always helping the brothers out. I wondered why JW Speaker sells them that way. Even for my Harley they sell ECE Spec lights. What the hell?

Happy New Year! Yes, Year of the Chicken!

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Japanese traditional breakfast on New Year's Day.

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My wife is cooking mochi soup now.

Take care and Aloha from Japan!


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[secondchance]

Some headlights, for example my 2004 BMW 330ci, each headlight pattern is staggered - left side low and the right side high cut off. Clearly, headlight reflector was designed intentionally so that each light favors the right side. This may be regulatory deal in Europe. I don't know if Japan has such regulation. I have not seen any US car with such headlight pattern.

Mochi as in sweet bean filled rice cake? Japanese food is not only delicious but also visually stunning.

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Some headlights, for example my 2004 BMW 330ci, each headlight pattern is staggered - left side low and the right side high cut off. Clearly, headlight reflector was designed intentionally so that each light favors the right side. This may be regulatory deal in Europe. I don't know if Japan has such regulation. I have not seen any US car with such headlight pattern.

Mochi as in sweet bean filled rice cake? Japanese food is not only delicious but also visually stunning.


Thanks for the info Yun. Yes, I think same rules in Japan. I'll have it checked just in case despite imported tags and allowed. I think my DOT halogen lamps were adjusted for the inspection.

Yes, but without the beans. That would be sweet rice though and in soup or otherwise would be plain and natural flavor. Yes, I enjoy all my meals here and spoiled now.


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[edram454]

no those are not the crees I had on my zr1 before I sold it. they are 5x7 and have low and high beams with a very exotic look and great projection. I sold them to GeorgeMaz. they are the nicest leds I have seen.,,


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[2ljd]

You're awesome Yun! Always helping the brothers out. I wondered why JW Speaker sells them that way. Even for my Harley they sell ECE Spec lights. What the hell?

Happy New Year! Yes, Year of the Chicken!

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Japanese traditional breakfast on New Year's Day.

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My wife is cooking mochi soup now.

Take care and Aloha from Japan!


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Ozoni?


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Ozoni?


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[Ahomans]

Very helpful thread that would probably be a good stickie. After spending a couple of hours in the dark a few weeks ago on back roads that i was not familiar with i knew that a headlight upgrade should be on the list. Riding in my wife's new BMW convinced me that LED lights would be best so I bought the GE Knighthawk LEDs on Amazon. Very easy to install. I filed down the connectors a little to fit better in the sockets. And I followed Yun's suggestion to solder a wire to the fog light relay (terminal 86) and bend it out of the way and connect the wire to a ground point. All works well. Just need to get the new lights aligned.

[secondchance]

I use the wall surface to line up left and right side height and left/right aim. Drive outside and readjust vertical.
No high beam flicking from on coming traffic so I assume it's not blinding anyone.

[Ahomans]

Thanks Yun. I will try that. Seems easy to before I put the housings back on.
Al

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[secondchance]

Thanks Yun. I will try that. Seems easy to before I put the housings back on.
Al

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Can be done even with the housing on. There are semi-circular openings around the bezel opening to access adjustment screws.

[Ahomans]

I left the housings off so I can clean them so I think I might as well align the lights first, then put the housings back on. Screws will be a little easier to get to. The housings probably don't get washed very often.

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[steve1263]

BOX:
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Light:
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Comparison between stock and new LED light. This is in my garage

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LED Fogs, One LED headlight, and One stock headlight.
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Now that I have both LED headlights the fogs no longer work. I am going to fix that.
Billy
I used the same led headlights as you, I got them here for $119 apiece:
https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo
they work great.

As far as the fog light problem, I solved it with one of these plug and play resistors which I got here:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

They are sold by the pair but you just need one, the resistor is a little big but it fits nicely behind the headlight bucket and it fixed the problem with the fog lights

[GOLDCYLON]

How do those resisters interface ? Do they just plug in line behind the headlight connectors ?

[edram454]

Billy
I used the same led headlights as you, I got them here for $119 apiece:
https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo
they work great.

As far as the fog light problem, I solved it with one of these plug and play resistors which I got here:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

They are sold by the pair but you just need one, the resistor is a little big but it fits nicely behind the headlight bucket and it fixed the problem with the fog lights


this is the cree light that I was talking about. these are great lights and look fantastic on the zr1. easy install and great performance and look.

edramos

[steve1263]

How do those resisters interface ? Do they just plug in line behind the headlight connectors ?
It has H4 male a female plugs and plugs in between the headlight and the headlight socket. Nice and easy

[GOLDCYLON]

It has H4 male a female plugs and plugs in between the headlight and the headlight socket. Nice and easy

Awesome thanks

[HAWAIIZR-1]

As far as the fog light problem, I solved it with one of these plug and play resistors which I got here:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

They are sold by the pair but you just need one, the resistor is a little big but it fits nicely behind the headlight bucket and it fixed the problem with the fog lights

Thanks for the great tip. Order placed and I will give the extra resistor to a friend here that is also interested in LED headlight upgrade. :handshak:

[G8nightman]

Billy
I used the same led headlights as you, I got them here for $119 apiece:
https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo
they work great.

As far as the fog light problem, I solved it with one of these plug and play resistors which I got here:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

They are sold by the pair but you just need one, the resistor is a little big but it fits nicely behind the headlight bucket and it fixed the problem with the fog lights

I use the same lights great product. Only complain i have is if you drive at night and bugs hit the Plastic on the front it will leave a stain other than that they are great.

[Ahomans]

Steve,
Where did you get the LED fog Lights?
Al


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Steve,
Where did you get the LED fog Lights?
Al


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Al
I got the led fog lights from the same place I got the resistor:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/front-fog-light-bulb/881-can-bus-led-bulb-27-smd-led-daytime-running-light-led-tower/2265/5148/

[Roadster]

Billy
I used the same led headlights as you, I got them here for $119 apiece:
they work great.

As far as the fog light problem, I solved it with one of these plug and play resistors which I got here:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

They are sold by the pair but you just need one, the resistor is a little big but it fits nicely behind the headlight bucket and it fixed the problem with the fog lights


Steve, just curious on how you attached the resistor behind the headlight bucket? I imagine you use double-sided tape, or did you use plastic ties to secure? Thanks for any info....

[steve1263]

The resistor is housed in a fairly large (3 1/2") aluminum box that fits nicely inside the housing behind the headlight bucket without anything holding it

[Roadster]

Received the headlights today. Does anyone know what the two wires on the right at for, besides the H4 connection?
Also waiting for a reply from the company.....thx....

Think I found the answer......Connector : H4, and included is a H4 to H13 converter, I would imagine that's what the additional 2 connectors are for are.....DRL....
And that was just confirmed by the tech person who just called.....
Apparently they are sending him lights with the added connectors, when he in fact is requesting them not to send them. So no big deal, just tape them up with some electrical tape and you are good....

5950

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[Roadster]

Just about complete with the left headlight install. Realized that I have one u-nut missing to secure the headlight cover on the side, now explains why there was movement before...
Also found a good place for the resistor (necessary for operation of the fog lights) to rest inside the bucket (as Steve mentioned) and used plastic ties to keep secure from movement.
Just need to get the u-nut and wrap it up...RS will be easy, no resistor necessary as per Steve, so the lights are now upgraded. Fog replacement bulbs next!!!

Resistor tucked up nice and secure...
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Headlamp installed, retainer polished....lol no one will ever see it...lol...
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[BigJohn]

Looks upside down!

[Roadster]

Looks upside down!

That's because it is....:rolleyes:

[G8nightman]

Nice job I'm running the same light they are great!


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Nice job I'm running the same light they are great!


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Thanks George, can't wait to try them out....
RS is done......
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[GOLDCYLON]

Just ordered my set for the 90. Hopefully only one resister does the job

:cheers:

[XfireZ51]

GC,

Where did u get urs? Thinking about doing this before spring along w appradio 4
Upgrade.

[GOLDCYLON]

GC,

Where did u get urs? Thinking about doing this before spring along w appradio 4
Upgrade.

I went with the Larsens like Tom's. Same model however with the silver face vs. the black face. Truth be told I like the black face better however I chose the cheaper option because headlights don't normally have a black face lol. They are all made in the same place China.

https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo

[Roadster]

Just ordered my set for the 90. Hopefully only one resister does the job

:cheers:

It seems like we only need the one, just in case we do need to install the other, no big deal.....a simple operation. A side note....I found that when you plug in the resistor to the H4 plug, it was not as snug as I would like it to be, so I used some electrical tape to help make sure I had a tight connection.

GC,

Where did u get urs? Thinking about doing this before spring along w appradio 4
Upgrade.

I went with the Larsens like Tom's. Same model however with the silver face vs. the black face. Truth be told I like the black face better however I chose the cheaper option because headlights don't normally have a black face lol. They are all made in the same place China.

https://www.larsenlights.com/larsen-lights-tuffplus-led-headlight-5-x-7-model-a0102-hi-lo

As George also mentioned how much he likes the lights, I think we will also. They look great in the 94, anxious to turn them on....but need to get the alternator job and the fender covers done first.....

Went to Lowes and found a speed nut that worked for headlight cover. They have a good section for automotive fasteners which may save you time when needed. This seems to be the closest to a factory item for this purpose.

Headlights are done!!!

LS done...
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pic of both installed...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/SSROADSTER/94%20ZR-1/20170207_122635.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/SSROADSTER/media/94%20ZR-1/20170207_122635.jpg.html)
the speed nut...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/SSROADSTER/94%20ZR-1/20170207_122932.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/SSROADSTER/media/94%20ZR-1/20170207_122932.jpg.html)

[XfireZ51]

Did Larsen supply resistor as well?

[dredgeguy]

Looks good Tom

[GOLDCYLON]

Did Larsen supply resistor as well?

No. You need to order that separate. Mine is coming in the mail from Billy Mild.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/headlight-load-resistor-kit-h4-led-headlight-bulbs/2179/5079/

[GOLDCYLON]

Also is it just me or do these lights look aggressive ????? I like it as it kind of pairs nicely with the LT5 :cheers:

[Roadster]

Looks good Tom

Thanks Charlie.....getting there....lol

Also is it just me or do these lights look aggressive ????? I like it as it kind of pairs nicely with the LT5 :cheers:

No it's not just you:) I was thinking the same thing....they do look kind of LT5ish....:-D
Enjoyed our conversion...will keep you posted on the alternator....just waiting on the delivery as mentioned.....

[Roadster]

Did Larsen supply resistor as well?

BTW, I have a spare resistor from my purchase. And it shouldn't be needed as it has been said....If that is the case if you or anyone else needs one, whoever would be welcomed to the spare @ NC, just pay shipping...

[XfireZ51]

BTW, I have a spare resistor from my purchase. And it shouldn't be needed as it has been said....If that is the case if you or anyone else needs one, whoever would be welcomed to the spare @ NC, just pay shipping...

That's a deal! I'll pm u when I order the lights.

[Roadster]

All this talking about the headlights and I couldn't stand it any longer. Hooked up the battery and guess what.......they work, and they are bright.
I will also confirm that the fog lights work too with only one resistor..

bright lights... fuzzy pic....lol trying to get the pic before the lights flipped up....
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/SSROADSTER/94%20ZR-1/20170207_142959_001.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/SSROADSTER/media/94%20ZR-1/20170207_142959_001.jpg.html)

[-=Jeff=-]

I think another relay at wired near the current Relay will accomplish the same thing as the resistors, but eliminates the load of the resistors on the electrical system..

One added relay:
Cut Lt Grn on Fog light relay
Harness side of Lt Grn to Pin 86 of new Relay
Pin 85 and Pin 30 of relay to Ground (New Wire)
fog light side of LT Grn to 87a.

[XfireZ51]

I think another relay at wired near the current Relay will accomplish the same thing as the resistors, but eliminates the load of the resistors on the electrical system..

One added relay:
Cut Lt Grn on Fog light relay
Harness side of Lt Grn to Pin 86 of new Relay
Pin 85 and Pin 30 of relay to Ground (New Wire)
fog light side of LT Grn to 87a.

OK Jeff. We can do that when I install mine. :cheers:

[-=Jeff=-]

OK Jeff. We can do that when I install mine. :cheers:

Maybe, that relay is under the dash on the pass side I believe

[GOLDCYLON]

You doing yours too -=JEFF=- ?

[-=Jeff=-]

You doing yours too -=JEFF=- ?

no, but when a user posted this on CF, and even posted here, I thought about their fixes and looked at a couple schematics and came up with my solution.

I am planning on doing that relay change to my car, even though I I still run H4s. I need to check the FSM again to confirm my idea will work, but it should

[GOLDCYLON]

no, but when a user posted this on CF, and even posted here, I thought about their fixes and looked at a couple schematics and came up with my solution.

I am planning on doing that relay change to my car, even though I I still run H4s. I need to check the FSM again to confirm my idea will work, but it should

Well you are an electrical guy so I get that. However I thought for sure you would be all over this mod as well :cheers:

[Roadster]

I think another relay at wired near the current Relay will accomplish the same thing as the resistors, but eliminates the load of the resistors on the electrical system..

One added relay:
Cut Lt Grn on Fog light relay
Harness side of Lt Grn to Pin 86 of new Relay
Pin 85 and Pin 30 of relay to Ground (New Wire)
fog light side of LT Grn to 87a.

Jeff, can you explain further on your statement..."Relay will accomplish the same thing as the resistors, but eliminates the load of the resistors on the electrical system.."
Always willing to learn something new, especially electrical....
Thanks...appreciated...

[-=Jeff=-]

It is on my list. Just lower priority at the moment


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[Roadster]

It is on my list. Just lower priority at the moment


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Sounds good to me, whenever you get time....

[G8nightman]

Got mine installed last night works great. Alot easier then messing with the grounds on the car.
http://i.imgur.com/71NetaA.jpg?1

[-=Jeff=-]

is that sliver box the resistor?

[XfireZ51]

Jeff,

Doesn't the resistor simply substitute for the load a standard headlamp puts on the electrical system? if so, why would it be detrimental or an issue?

[steve1263]

That is exactly what it does. When I was installing the led headlights on my car I turned on the lights after the first one was in and found everything working properly including the fog lights. when I installed the second light and tested everything I noticed the fog light problem. The resistor is advertised as a fix for the bulb out problem some cars experience when converting to leds. Both problems are addressed by simulating the load of an normal bulb, thats why you only need one.

[G8nightman]

is that sliver box the resistor?
Yes sir

[GOLDCYLON]

That's easy to zip tie. I had to do the same with my Ballasts for my HID projectors on my 91

[Roadster]

As posted in #105, don't know how to do the arrow thing to point out in the pic...but take notice of the plastic ties I used, fits up very nicely in the top of the housing, and it's secure...

Resistor tucked up nice and secure...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/SSROADSTER/94%20ZR-1/20170206_183709.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/SSROADSTER/media/94%20ZR-1/20170206_183709.jpg.html)

[-=Jeff=-]

Jeff,

Doesn't the resistor simply substitute for the load a standard headlamp puts on the electrical system? if so, why would it be detrimental or an issue?

You are correct and there is no issue with it..

I just would change to the relay to make it less than the OEM load.. that is all

[Roadster]

You are correct and there is no issue with it..

I just would change to the relay to make it less than the OEM load.. that is all

Again just curious, if it isn't such an issue with the resistor, then why bother with the relay? Is it that much of a load difference??? The resistor is a breeze to install, compared to adding another relay and cutting or connecting into a wire harness which would take more time....

[G8nightman]

As posted in #105, don't know how to do the arrow thing to point out in the pic...but take notice of the plastic ties I used, fits up very nicely in the top of the housing, and it's secure...

Resistor tucked up nice and secure...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p138/SSROADSTER/94%20ZR-1/20170206_183709.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/user/SSROADSTER/media/94%20ZR-1/20170206_183709.jpg.html)

Yes I did the same with mine fits like a glove

[Roadster]

Yes I did the same with mine fits like a glove

George, now we know why that space is there....they knew we were going to add different headlights with a resistor that needed space some 22 to 27 years later....and sometimes we all question why the engineers did what they did!!!
:D

[-=Jeff=-]

Again just curious, if it isn't such an issue with the resistor, then why bother with the relay? Is it that much of a load difference??? The resistor is a breeze to install, compared to adding another relay and cutting or connecting into a wire harness which would take more time....

Preference I guess? I look at it this way. If I am moving from H4 to LED, I will get a more light with less power consumption, but adding a resistor put heat in a different spot and one more connection in the bucket.

I have not completely looked at the relay, but I think I can pop the connector out and not have to cut a wire.

By doing the relay, the alternator load with all the lights is less. to me that is being more efficient, plus the added wiring is in the car out of the weather.

so I guess it is My preference then

[Roadster]

Preference I guess? I look at it this way. If I am moving from H4 to LED, I will get a more light with less power consumption, but adding a resistor put heat in a different spot and one more connection in the bucket.

I have not completely looked at the relay, but I think I can pop the connector out and not have to cut a wire.

By doing the relay, the alternator load with all the lights is less. to me that is being more efficient, plus the added wiring is in the car out of the weather.

so I guess it is My preference then

I think I understand what your reasoning is.....but when the lights are not on, then the resistor is not producing heat, correct? and if you attach the resistor in the top of the bucket as shown, then when the headlights are on and in the up position, then you should be getting air movement through the opening of the cover, thus keeping the resistor cool.
But if your charging system is operating at its optimum performance, then it shouldn't matter, should it???
I would be interested in knowing what the actual difference in power consumption (alternator load) is when comparing the resistor to the relay.
I am not trying to break them for you, just find this topic to be an interesting discussion and another learning experience.....:cheers:

[XfireZ51]

Preference I guess? I look at it this way. If I am moving from H4 to LED, I will get a more light with less power consumption, but adding a resistor put heat in a different spot and one more connection in the bucket.

I have not completely looked at the relay, but I think I can pop the connector out and not have to cut a wire.

By doing the relay, the alternator load with all the lights is less. to me that is being more efficient, plus the added wiring is in the car out of the weather.

so I guess it is My preference then

Sometimes we get into a "debate" discussion on something just for the heck of it, or to learn something. You are replacing 2 headlamps w a heavier load on the system than w 2 headlamps generating not enough load. The resistor appears to represent just enough of a load necessary to allow everything to operate properly. IOW, you have now installed a system with a load that is still LESS than the OEM system the car came w. Overall, win-win.
Thoughts?

[-=Jeff=-]

IOW, you have now installed a system with a load that is still LESS than the OEM system the car came w. Overall, win-win.
Thoughts?

But is it?

What is the resistance of the headlight you are replacing? was is the laod resistance of the resistor.

Yes Debates are good, there is nothing wrong with using a resistor.. works like roadster described.. I just like thinking out of the box sometimes

[XfireZ51]

Jeff,

Of course my questioning really is for the purpose of learning something and when it comes to electronics you are a go to guy.

[-=Jeff=-]

Jeff,



Of course my questioning really is for the purpose of learning something and when it comes to electronics you are a go to guy.



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[ghlkal]

Now that a number of you guys have run with these for a while, I have a question - how's the light distribution pattern on the LEDs? I'm sure it's good and brighter light straight ahead, but do these put off enough light to the side also? I read a review of a different pair of LED headlights where there were lots of complaints regarding not enough illumination to the side of the road.

[Roadster]

Now that a number of you guys have run with these for a while, I have a question - how's the light distribution pattern on the LEDs? I'm sure it's good and brighter light straight ahead, but do these put off enough light to the side also? I read a review of a different pair of LED headlights where there were lots of complaints regarding not enough illumination to the side of the road.

I can't give you an update, as I have not been doing any night driving with the Z lately. But I am sure the other users will be able to answer that for you...

[Locobob]

I recently converted to LED, been driving with them for a week or two now and pretty happy with the upgrade. They were plug and play except that I snipped and grounded the lt grn wire from the fog lamp relay - easy job and as a bonus the fogs stay on with the brights now. Here are some pics.


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19366496_10213013011098361_3631874838363076216_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19366496_10213013011098361_3631874838363076216_n.j pg.html)


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19396898_10213013424028684_6774822654449749398_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19396898_10213013424028684_6774822654449749398_n.j pg.html)


LED on left, low beams
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19274960_10213013061259615_2339290855570954906_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19274960_10213013061259615_2339290855570954906_n.j pg.html)


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19399774_10213013486990258_3758719630449529838_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19399774_10213013486990258_3758719630449529838_n.j pg.html)

[edram454]

those are the lights I had on my zr1 before I sold it. these are fantastic and love the look. they are very bright but do not blind oncoming traffic. they have a very definite cut off. I miss these lights since they dont make them for c5's.

[-=Jeff=-]

yeah I am guessing the cutoff is due to the Projector for the low beam. I have projectors on my Charger, I like the cut off (but like the HID even more so)

[Locobob]

Yeah they have a very defined horizontal cut off, I like them a lot

[efnfast]

My new LED's do not have a cutoff like that, more like a flashlight. Mine were just replacement bulbs in a Hella housing.

[GOLDCYLON]

I just completed this upgrade last night on my 90 and damn I am impressed. I went with the same kit that locobob just installed and not only does it look agressive not on.... the amount of light it puts out LED wise is on the same quality as my wives new C300 Mercedes Coupe. You won't be disappointed. GC

[Paul Workman]

DITTOS... ^^^

I (back-ordered) those (Larsen) lights and opted for the load resistor instead of the relay splicing approach. (The current draw was NEVER an issue with the OE headlights, so amperage is not an issue, but everything working normally is!)

We'll see, once the stuff comes in...

[secondchance]

DITTOS... ^^^

I (back-ordered) those (Larsen) lights and opted for the load resistor instead of the relay splicing approach. (The current draw was NEVER an issue with the OE headlights, so amperage is not an issue, but everything working normally is!)

We'll see, once the stuff comes in...

Paul,

I installed 3 pairs of these and the cleanest, simplest solution, posted about a year or two ago by a forum member, is to remove the fog light relay, identify the leg that plugs into ground socket, bend the leg around the relay housing, insert a electrical wire through a hole on the leg (for some reason they all have a hole), solder the wire to the leg, and finally find a ground point and ground it out. Works like a charm.

[XfireZ51]

I recently converted to LED, been driving with them for a week or two now and pretty happy with the upgrade. They were plug and play except that I snipped and grounded the lt grn wire from the fog lamp relay - easy job and as a bonus the fogs stay on with the brights now. Here are some pics.


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19366496_10213013011098361_3631874838363076216_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19366496_10213013011098361_3631874838363076216_n.j pg.html)


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19396898_10213013424028684_6774822654449749398_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19396898_10213013424028684_6774822654449749398_n.j pg.html)


LED on left, low beams
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19274960_10213013061259615_2339290855570954906_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19274960_10213013061259615_2339290855570954906_n.j pg.html)


http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp270/locobob68/ZR-1/19399774_10213013486990258_3758719630449529838_n.j pg (http://s418.photobucket.com/user/locobob68/media/ZR-1/19399774_10213013486990258_3758719630449529838_n.j pg.html)

Just a question. Is there really a point to having fogs ON w the HI Beams?

[-=Jeff=-]

Locobob.. those lights actually look pretty good. How is the pattern out on the road?


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[Flyman 27]

Locobob,
Where did you end up ordering them through?

Dan

[Paul Workman]

Just a question. Is there really a point to having fogs ON w the HI Beams?

Normally, the power for the fog light comes from the switch on the dash, through the fog light relay coil, then through the high beam filament to ground (and back to the battery via the chassis).

Between the fog light and the high beam filament is another (hot) wire connected to the high beam switch. When that high beam switch is closed, voltage is equal on BOTH sides of the fog light relay coil - NO difference in potential - and current through the relay coil stops and the fog light circuit opens. The path for high beam current comes directly from that high beam switch to the wire connected between the fog relay and the high beam filaments.

The substitution of an LED in place of the high beam filament changes the scheme significantly by increasing the resistance in the circuit significantly.

LEDs draw a tiny fraction of the current of their FILAMENT counterpart. And, their (forward direction) opposition to current flow (i.e., "impedance") is very low; so low that additional resistance or a current regulator is typically installed in series with the LED to allow it to work within its limited (current) parameters.

It is that current limiting additional resistance necessary for the LED that causes a problem for the fog lights. Where the headlight filament resistance may have been less than 10Ω to ground, the resistance in the LED path may be several 100s of ohms!

Solution: either install a (LOAD) resistor to ground with similar impedance as the original filament the LED replaced, OR provide a alternate path to ground for the fog light filament (relay).

LOAD resistor:

Restores the original control and functionality of the lights
Generates significant heat that has to be dissipated, when the high beams are on.
Adds external connections that are exposed to the outside environment

Alternate ground for the fog light relay:

Compared to the OE configuration, it reduces overall current draw when the high beams are ON
Results in the fog lights remaining ON along with the high beams*.

[XfireZ51]

Paul,

My question had to do w the utility of having the fogs on while driving w Hi Beams. Does it really make a difference when driving?

[secondchance]

Another new LED headlight product that should work for our cars. At $54.99 each, a real bargain!

Anyone willing to experiment?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Xprite-60W-5X7-Rectangle-CREE-LED-Headlight-for-Jeep-Wrangler-YJ-Cherokee-/292136168328?hash=item4404ac2b88:g:pf8AAOSwblZZLzX-&vxp=mtr

[GOLDCYLON]

Another new LED headlight product that should work for our cars. At $54.99 each, a real bargain!

Anyone willing to experiment?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Xprite-60W-5X7-Rectangle-CREE-LED-Headlight-for-Jeep-Wrangler-YJ-Cherokee-/292136168328?hash=item4404ac2b88:g:pf8AAOSwblZZLzX-&vxp=mtr

Not a fan of the Lighted LED LEGO in the DRL mode yikes ! I hope Hansen gets these again everything is on backorder currently. GC

[-=Jeff=-]

Roadster, I never really answered your question.. Look at Paul's post 4-5 above mine, talking about how the fog lights and headlights work. my thing was to move the wire and add a relay I posted back a few pages, this will then detect when the high beam is on and use the relay to open the fog light circuit, turning the fog lights off when the high beams are on. then when low beams are on, the fog lights are on.

My biggest thing was to remove the load, yes our cars are fine with the OEM load, but any load I can remove at night is better, I will do the Relay mod when I pull the dash pad this winter, as I am doing other things too. this will prep me for LED headlights.

[Roadster]

No problem Jeff......just went out to the garage and tested.......
Park lights on....fog lights will turn on or off....
Headlights on....fog lights will turn on or off....
High Beams on.....fog lights will not turn on with switch.....if fog lights are on with low beam and switched to high beam....fog lights will automatically turn off and come back on when switched back to low beam....
IMO with these new headlights.....I don't feel the need for the use of the fog lights when using the high beams anyway as these are very bright.....very satisfied with the purchase.....:-D

[-=Jeff=-]

I forget did you buy genssi or Larsen?


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[Roadster]

I forget did you buy genssi or Larsen?


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I went with Larsen.....again very satisfied.....and the resistor works great....no cutting into any wires.....worked well for me....

[-=Jeff=-]

I went with Larsen.....again very satisfied.....and the relay works great....no cutting into any wires.....worked well for me....
relay or resistor?

just confirming, my relay solution either cuts or moves a wire

[GOLDCYLON]

I went with Larsen as well I used the plug in adapter that superbrightleds sells. My foglight do not work with the high beams on. However the light from the LEDs are so superior I'm not really sure if that its really a problem. Also I test fit one of the LED headlights without the adapter and both lights new and old worked like they should. Not even sure if I needed it Jeff

[Roadster]

relay or resistor?

just confirming, my relay solution either cuts or moves a wire
My mistake.....meant to say resistor....corrected above....
I forget did you buy genssi or Larsen?


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[-=Jeff=-]

Thanks Tom,

Absolutely the lights should work as OEM with the Resistor.. glad everyone likes them.. currently they are on back order

[Roadster]

Thanks Tom,

Absolutely the lights should work as OEM with the Resistor.. glad everyone likes them.. currently they are on back order

Jeff, I have an extra resistor, as you know they are only sold in pairs and you only need one.....it's yours if you like.....PM me your info and I'll send it out to you......my treat......just in time for Halloween!!!

[-=Jeff=-]

Thanks for the offer Tom.. I might take you up on that in case my relay scheme does not work

[Paul Workman]

After waiting a couple years for the cream to come to the top (I hope), I pulled the trigger on a pair. In that time, there are a lot of companies offering LED headlights, a few good ones, and some...not so good. Prices are all over the map!

I went with the same light package and cut-off patern that Larsen sells; the same style that locobob installed, but from another re-seller (Larsen was out of stock - has been for a while too. Larsen, Genssi, Oracle, SBL, Amazon..).

The lights I ordered also also has the CREE XM L2 LED chip set in them (as well?), (i.e., the latest power, color, life expectancy ratings). And, the reflector(s) produce the sharp cut-off drive line I was looking for.

I also bought a pair (2 pair) of load resistors (2 cars) some time ago; before someone said "only one is required". That may be:confused:, but I wanna look at the schematic again before I do go with just one. (I might have a couple, heat-sinked load resistors to offer!)

Well, I'm "looking forward"! (pun intended!!:p)

[-=Jeff=-]

got a name for them? link perhaps?

[Paul Workman]

got a name for them? link perhaps?

Yes. (see link below)

A rose by any other name... Same light as the LARSEN (package), Genssi, and several others. It's the chipset and the cutoff line these have that is what I boiled it all down to.

The first pair sold out, but when they came back in stock, they were apparently upgraded to the next CREE LED chipset. More power.

I bought these on Amazon, $119 ea. (I'll either have them installed for the Friday pizza gathering, or bring them w/ me to "show and tell".)

Also, I have a couple "spare" LOAD RESISTORS, which substitute for the high beam filament (path to ground). I was thinking the setup required 2, one for each headlight. But, apparently, only one is necessary for the fog light relay to work.

Note: For those wondering, the two options are 1) GROUND the fog light relay, or 2) insert a LOAD RESISTOR at the sealed beam connector.

Grounding the fog light relay results in the fog lights being turned ON any time the fog light switch is ON - regardless of whether the high beams are on or not. IF the fog lights do not have a cutoff drive line, and are bright (which mine ARE), obviously that can become an issue for on-coming traffic.

Inserting a LOAD resistor replaces the low resistance (to ground) of the high beam filament, thus maintaining the original fog lights OFF mode when the high beams are ON.

(link to Amazon) (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BH8HK6A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

[Paul Workman]

Another new LED headlight product that should work for our cars. At $54.99 each, a real bargain!

Anyone willing to experiment?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Xprite-60W-5X7-Rectangle-CREE-LED-Headlight-for-Jeep-Wrangler-YJ-Cherokee-/292136168328?hash=item4404ac2b88:g:pf8AAOSwblZZLzX-&vxp=mtr

I haven't seen that particular LED, but a number of the cheaper LED/Sealed Beam replacements DO NOT have a sharp cutoff/drive line as others. They might be suitable for off-road apps, but may not be DOT certified LED lights. Those that are and that I'm aware cost significantly more $$.

[GOLDCYLON]

Yes. (see link below)

A rose by any other name... Same light as the LARSEN (package), Genssi, and several others. It's the chipset and the cutoff line these have that is what I boiled it all down to.

The first pair sold out, but when they came back in stock, they were apparently upgraded to the next CREE LED chipset. More power.

I bought these on Amazon, $119 ea. (I'll either have them installed for the Friday pizza gathering, or bring them w/ me to "show and tell".)

Also, I have a couple "spare" LOAD RESISTORS, which substitute for the high beam filament (path to ground). I was thinking the setup required 2, one for each headlight. But, apparently, only one is necessary for the fog light relay to work.

Note: For those wondering, the two options are 1) GROUND the fog light relay, or 2) insert a LOAD RESISTOR at the sealed beam connector.

Grounding the fog light relay results in the fog lights being turned ON any time the fog light switch is ON - regardless of whether the high beams are on or not. IF the fog lights do not have a cutoff drive line, and are bright (which mine ARE), obviously that can become an issue for on-coming traffic.

Inserting a LOAD resistor replaces the low resistance (to ground) of the high beam filament, thus maintaining the original fog lights OFF mode when the high beams are ON.

(link to Amazon) (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BH8HK6A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just bought this pair for my son 96 GS as well Paul. They look identical to the Larsen units. GC

[GOLDCYLON]

Well second set is in. They are identical to the ones I received from Larsen and the same part number and in the same boxes as pictured by Locobob.

No more speculation ='s same manufacturer. GC

[XfireZ51]

Well second set is in. They are identical to the ones I received from Larsen and the same part number and in the same boxes as pictured by Locobob.

No more speculation ='s same manufacturer. GC

Is it possible they’re blems or seconds? Or is diff in price just greed?

[Paul Workman]

Is it possible they’re blems or seconds? Or is diff in price just greed?

Mine (2nd set) are coming today from Amazon, the Larsgensuperblazerlaser (same package and CREE chipset) $119.00 ea. Time permitting, I'll have them installed at the FBI pizza gathering tonite.

I suspect because they're the very latest there maybe competition among re-sellers? I see up to $100+ variation for what appears to be the same package and chip set.

AND, depending on how the fog lights are wired, they may be left on when the high beams are ON, or not. Then there is the turn signal lights and hazards to consider.

LOAD resistors or (no load) LED relays or a combination of the two...is where I'm at...for the moment.

It's all pretty simple, really; once you lay it out. But, there are a lot of places to waste money and end up with...issues. There are 18 (if I counted right) exterior filaments, and some interact with one another, and some provide the necessary paths to ground for others.

It's the makings for a HOTB article, ya think?

[GOLDCYLON]

Is it possible they’re blems or seconds? Or is diff in price just greed?

I don't think so. Anythings possible but they are in the identical retail box

[GOLDCYLON]

Mine (2nd set) are coming today from Amazon, the Larsgensuperblazerlaser (same package and CREE chipset) $119.00 ea. Time permitting, I'll have them installed at the FBI pizza gathering tonite.

I suspect because they're the very latest there maybe competition among re-sellers? I see up to $100+ variation for what appears to be the same package and chip set.

AND, depending on how the fog lights are wired, they may be left on when the high beams are ON, or not. Then there is the turn signal lights and hazards to consider.

LOAD resistors or (no load) LED relays or a combination of the two...is where I'm at...for the moment.

It's all pretty simple, really; once you lay it out. But, there are a lot of places to waste money and end up with...issues. There are 18 (if I counted right) exterior filaments, and some interact with one another, and some provide the necessary paths to ground for others.

It's the makings for a HOTB article, ya think?

I would suggest teaming up with -=JEFF=- since he has a plug and play solution for the side markers for that article

[BigJohn]

Is it possible they’re blems or seconds? Or is diff in price just greed?

Or they could be the world famous Chinese knock off's!

[-=Jeff=-]

Or they could be the world famous Chinese knock off's!



I actually have to agree with Bigjohn.. LOL

That was my exact thoughts as well


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[-=Jeff=-]

I would suggest teaming up with -=JEFF=- since he has a plug and play solution for the side markers for that article



Yep, saw Paul for pizza and discussed this very topic


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[GOLDCYLON]

Or they could be the world famous Chinese knock off's!

They all come from China John....

[BigJohn]

They all come from China John....

Well there are Quality made parts and there are inferior made knock offs! Which one would you rather purchase?

:confused:

[GOLDCYLON]

Well there are Quality made parts and there are inferior made knock offs! Which one would you rather purchase?

:confused:

As usual you are missing the point.

[BigJohn]

As usual your are missing the point.

No it is either your arrogance or your ignorance preventing you from even understand my point !

[GOLDCYLON]

No it is either your arrogance or your ignorance preventing you from even understand my point !

Everything comes from China these days John and everything no matter were it comes from is of dubious quality. Even replacement GM parts from Mexico and Taiwan. And that John is the point. There really is no arugment......

[BigJohn]

Hey, Mystic ZR-1 aren't you glad you didn't muck up your ZR-1 with all these inferior LED lights?

[-=Jeff=-]

Hey, Mystic ZR-1 aren't you glad you didn't muck up your ZR-1 with all these inferior LED lights?



WTF are you talking about? Muck up? Seriously? Since you stated you are older than dirt, you probably grew up in the era where children were seen and not heard and that you also were told if you cannot say anything nice. Don’t say(or type) anything at all


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[BigJohn]

WTF are you talking about? Muck up? Seriously? Since you stated you are older than dirt, you probably grew up in the era where children were seen and not heard and that you also were told if you cannot say anything nice. Don’t say(or type) anything at all


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Well GOLDCYLON just said; (everything is of dubious quality)!

[GOLDCYLON]

The Technology is sound. The quality in the worldwide market place is of dubious quality.


I'm done here. Nothing like having to continually explain and also understand for folks who enjoy trolling.


Wait for the forthcoming article hopefully in the next HOTB. This thread is done.