1991 1G1YZ23J7M5801146 Total Loss

[LGAFF]

Fire Loss

1G1YZ23J7M5801146
https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?auctionID=0&itemID=20038440&RowNumber=50

[Kevin]

heard about this car this weekend. very sad

[LGAFF]

# of total losses seem to be slowing vs other years

[-=Jeff=-]

looks like good for some parts at least..

Lee going to add it to your collection?

[FU]

# of total losses seem to be slowing vs other years

The herd is getting thinned out.

[XfireZ51]

That car is a no brainer for Brett.

[GOLDCYLON]

anybody we know ? GC

[nelson007]

It was Ed's car a WAZZO member.
Nelsn

[GOLDCYLON]

It was Ed's car a WAZZO member.
Nelsn

Post crash fire or in the garage/driveway?

[Billy Mild]

Any idea if it will be parted out?

You had to know at some point some was going to ask that question.

[GOLDCYLON]

Any idea if it will be parted out?

You had to know at some point some was going to ask that question.


Im sure thats why its at the boneyard and Lee posted it up

[Kevin]

Post crash fire or in the garage/driveway?

From what I heard it was a freon leak that flashed on the headers

[dredgeguy]

From what I heard it was a freon leak that flashed on the headers

Correct, parked in the driveway and within minutes of shutting off the engine car was on fire. New coated stainless works headers and Corsa installed by Wazoo within the last 60 days.

[RICKYRJ1]

Correct, parked in the driveway and within minutes of shutting off the engine car was on fire. New coated stainless works headers and Corsa installed by Wazoo within the last 60 days.

That sucks, hope he plans on replacing it with another ZR-1. Maybe she would be a good WAZOO parts car, Jim doesnt have a red car in his collection ;) :proud:

[QB93Z]

That sucks, hope he plans on replacing it with another ZR-1. Maybe she would be a good WAZOO parts car, Jim doesnt have a red car in his collection ;) :proud:

Jim doesn't have a 1991 either. Unfortunately, I am really busy on renovating a house right now and don't need any more projects.

Jim

[RussMcB]

Does anyone know what happened? Anything we should check on our cars?

I don't think freon is flammable.

[LGAFF]

Freon is a registered trade name of DuPont, which it uses for a number of halocarbon products. They are stable, nonflammable, moderately toxic gases or liquids which have typically been used as refrigerants and as aerosol propellants


Makes you wonder what was added to the Freon

[LGAFF]

This is interesting

According to the press release, numerous tests have been performed on R-1234yf by automakers and independent agencies alike with no negative effects, but Daimler says that is has found a certain scenario where the refrigerant can leak at high pressures and ignite. Daimler found that in severe head-on collisions, the refrigerant line can break and spray R-1234yf onto the exhaust system causing a fire. It isn't certain how severe the fires were, but as a precautionary measure, Daimler says that it will continue to use R-134a in all of its cars.

Looking at independent tests performed by DuPont and Honeywell, the results showed that R-1234yf is "very difficult to ignite with electrical spark" and this refrigerant "shows [the] same flammability behavior as R-134a." This latter result showed ignition against a metal plate with a temperature above 900 degrees Celsius with the ignition of both refrigerants in this scenario attributed to the existence of PAG oil used in automotive air conditioning systems; the tests did not say if the refrigerant was pressurized as it was in the Daimler tests.

[Paul Workman]

That car is a no brainer for Brett.

I agree. I was thinking the same thing - far as being fixable. Been there, done that! (sorta) But(!), no insurance company would touch it for what parts and labor are going to be...is the real "issue".

Not a fire, so the wiring wasn't an issue. My concern would be the electronics; not impossible, but $$$ I expect. My little escapade $$ was just under $10K with some donated parts (bumper/facia, etc) and some "laying of hands" from the maestro himself!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/Brett44-9-14_zps9a5de801.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/Brett44-9-14_zps9a5de801.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/takingmeasurements_zpsec27746a.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/takingmeasurements_zpsec27746a.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/Pullinghornsdown_zps3a9ca859.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/Pullinghornsdown_zps3a9ca859.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/paintshop2_zps7dae7f8d.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/paintshop2_zps7dae7f8d.jpg.html)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/painted1_zps261b97d8.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/painted1_zps261b97d8.jpg.html)

Painted, and better n ever, she rose from her ashes like the legendary Phoenix, (hence the avatar and the license plate!!)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/3ff7531c-dc01-4320-9f7e-8eed8a74ad78_zpscfddab3b.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/3ff7531c-dc01-4320-9f7e-8eed8a74ad78_zpscfddab3b.jpg.html)

So... I'd hate to see that Z get parted out...

[WARP TEN]

Sorry to hear about Ed's car. Lucky he wasn't in his garage. Hope his insurance company steps up for him. And not to seem too ghoulish, I would be glad to help out if he decides to seek a replacement. --Bob

[spork2367]

From what I heard it was a freon leak that flashed on the headers

I do a lot of AC work on the side. While the oil in the system could potentially flash, it would be only slightly more likely than being hit by a meteorite. The R12 or even R134 if they changed it over are not flammable.

A restoration on that would make mine look like a cakewalk...

[dredgeguy]

According to Ed, State Farm stepped up and settled with him and he is very happy. Did not want to disclose settlement but understand he is now looking for a replacement. They paid him for the new headers and exhaust and tax and title fees as well. He said he prefers 93-95 red/black or black/black but will also consider 91 or 92.

[LGAFF]

Hmmmm....I have a 460hp 92 I might consider selling 23K miles.

4.10
Watson Headers
Ported plenum
2.75" Borla Challenge w/XPipe(would be willing to swap with the Corsa off my 90)
Samco hoses
Jerrys Duct
Red/Black #234

[Fully Vetted]

The herd is getting thinned out.

All of our values just went up like $6 bucks.

I hate to hear of a brother loosing his Z. Glad to hear insurance stepped up, though.

[vilant]

Sucks to lose a car that way. Glad he was happy with the reimbursement though. Although it would be nice if someone resurrected the car, the truth is for every car that goes down more parts become available for rest to survive. Not to mention saving it would cost a lot of money and have to be done for the love of it, not for profit.
I actually wanted to bid on it. Would of taken some parts for myself and parted out the rest until it was gone (I need other parts besides the ECM). Unfortunately MD does not allow public bidding. So, either a dealer or salvage yard is going to get the car. Hopefully a Corvette salvage yard takes it and makes the remaining parts for sale.
Anybody here have a dealer or salvage yard license in MD?

[dredgeguy]

I have a friend who has a small used car dealership on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and goes to all the auctions. He charges for his services $500 or 5% whichever is greater and goes to the auction, pays, does all the paperwork and gets you the title and you pay him by check. Manheim auctions changed policy last year and now you have to show a dealer ID to get into the auction where before you could get in as a "driver" for the dealer. My friend allowed me to get a dealer license on his company so I could still get into the auctions but I cannot buy as everything is on his company account.

[vilant]

I have a friend who has a small used car dealership on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and goes to all the auctions. He charges for his services $500 or 5% whichever is greater and goes to the auction, pays, does all the paperwork and gets you the title and you pay him by check. Manheim auctions changed policy last year and now you have to show a dealer ID to get into the auction where before you could get in as a "driver" for the dealer. My friend allowed me to get a dealer license on his company so I could still get into the auctions but I cannot buy as everything is on his company account.

Hi Charlie,
Anyway you could put me in touch with him? I have a price I would be willing to spend. If he gets his profit and I get the car for that price, it's a win-win.

[dredgeguy]

Hi Charlie,
Anyway you could put me in touch with him? I have a price I would be willing to spend. If he gets his profit and I get the car for that price, it's a win-win.

PM sent and good luck

[Blue Flame Restorations]

That car is a no brainer for Brett.

No time to do much more than customer cars these days. Had to start farming out some labor.

[spork2367]

I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up at Contemporary Corvette in Bristol PA. That's actually where I picked mine up at.

[dredgeguy]

Sucks to lose a car that way. Glad he was happy with the reimbursement though. Although it would be nice if someone resurrected the car, the truth is for every car that goes down more parts become available for rest to survive. Not to mention saving it would cost a lot of money and have to be done for the love of it, not for profit.
I actually wanted to bid on it. Would of taken some parts for myself and parted out the rest until it was gone (I need other parts besides the ECM). Unfortunately MD does not allow public bidding. So, either a dealer or salvage yard is going to get the car. Hopefully a Corvette salvage yard takes it and makes the remaining parts for sale.
Anybody here have a dealer or salvage yard license in MD?

Another PM sent

[tccrab]

This brings up another really good question.
There used to be a list of totalled ZR-1's on the Registry web page.
I always though it was a good idea to keep a list of known totalled cars, so that we can keep track of those that were left.

Why was it dropped?
I can't imagine why it would be sensitive information.

'Crabs

[LGAFF]

Reporting of total losses is actually a federal law. There are serious fines for not reporting total losses($1K per car...plus admin fines)....so its not a secret.

National Motor Vehicle Title Information System

http://www.vehiclehistory.gov/nmvtis_faq.html

[Paul Workman]

Well, Lee...mebby you can 'splain it to a dummy like me?

The whole concept of a vehicle being "TOTALED", is a little fuzzy to me. I've had a couple cars "totaled"; one in particular that concerned me was in very good condition other than being in a wreck that only ended up crushing the front & rear clip. Ran great, new tires, brakes fresh, fresh rebuilt engine and trans (Jeep Cherokee, actually)...totaled???

I got a check for that car, but couldn't find one in anywhere near the condition my wrecked Jeep was before the accident. I felt then and now like I'd been ripped off. What were my options beside buying it back from the salvage yard (which, BTW, wanted more for it wrecked than the check I got from the insurance company...WTF??...another story tho).

And, is there not a chance for some unsavory collusion between and insurance company and an auto salvage yard, e.g., totaling a car when repairs would fall well under the market value of the parts in a majority of cases?

I wouldn't have been the least surprised if my car was 'totaled' after busting up the nose and hood - i.e., how many wrecked ZR-1s does an adjuster have to base his estimates on? Is that even a factor?

Just curious, cuz I'm close to that situation again (my truck got hit as result of 2 others mixing it up on a highway intersection and me getting caught in the "collateral damage".)

[spork2367]

Well, Lee...mebby you can 'splain it to a dummy like me?

The whole concept of a vehicle being "TOTALED", is a little fuzzy to me. I've had a couple cars "totaled"; one in particular that concerned me was in very good condition other than being in a wreck that only ended up crushing the front & rear clip. Ran great, new tires, brakes fresh, fresh rebuilt engine and trans (Jeep Cherokee, actually)...totaled???

I got a check for that car, but couldn't find one in anywhere near the condition my wrecked Jeep was before the accident. I felt then and now like I'd been ripped off. What were my options beside buying it back from the salvage yard (which, BTW, wanted more for it wrecked than the check I got from the insurance company...WTF??...another story tho).

And, is there not a chance for some unsavory collusion between and insurance company and an auto salvage yard, e.g., totaling a car when repairs would fall well under the market value of the parts in a majority of cases?

I wouldn't have been the least surprised if my car was 'totaled' after busting up the nose and hood - i.e., how many wrecked ZR-1s does an adjuster have to base his estimates on? Is that even a factor?

Just curious, cuz I'm close to that situation again (my truck got hit as result of 2 others mixing it up on a highway intersection and me getting caught in the "collateral damage".)

You're probably looking at 20,000 worth of repairs on that car. And that's assuming the damage to the engine is mostly wiring and cosmetic. By the time you add in the time the insurance company is going to spend sorting all that out, it's cheaper for them to write a check for 26,000.

List of what that car needs:

hood
headlight assemblies
inner fender
vacuum canister/pump/lines
radiator
oil cooler
radiator shroud
air filter housing
bumper cover
bumper inserts
fog lights
drivers side shock/actuator
engine harness
dash harness
injectors
throttle body
idler pully
dampener
water pump
alternator
AC compressor
all engine sensors
plug wires
injector housing and intake gaskets
heads should probably be pulled so head gaskets
all hoses
most of the vacuum stuff under the intake unless you wanted to delete
possibly a DIS
new computer
probably front wheel
suspension bushings
upper control arm
maybe drivers side door
maybe windshield
tires
full paint job
labor

And you almost always have the option to buy the car back from the insurance company instead of waiting until it goes to a salvage yard. It's never cost effective to buy it back from the salvage yard after the fact if it's your car. That car probably has a salvage value of 2000-3500.

The 1990 that I posted a picture of has no frame damage and runs and drives. Needs a front bumper cover, rear bumper cover and rear quarters. In the end, I could have bought one in decent condition cheaper. The only saving grace is that my dad does fiberglass work. Otherwise, it was just a nice parts car. Just parts and full repaint will be a break even venture if we went to sell it.

As far as your Jeep, the fact that it was a unibody was likely the deciding factor.

[LGAFF]

Total losses are determined by the following:

*Dictated by the state based upon a % of the ACV; writing an estimate based upon avg shop skills and tools access, with a labor rate used in the area.

*Economic total losses: Meaning that the estimate minus the approx salvage value exceed the value of the car.

*Structural: Damage is such that it is not safe to repair


If you disagree with the value, you can file a department of insurance complaint, use the arbitration clause in your contract, or file suit. Most values are based upon vehicles for sale in your area....and many of the large companies(CCC/Mitchelle) that do values use large dealer values to get the prices. Keep in mind most dealers go through a car with tires, brakes, etc prior to putting it on the lot. All methods are subject to DOI review

If there are not enough comparisons to use companies might use a book or dealer quotes

[LGAFF]

The estimated repair cost is $25,418

With a loss like this I would expect a supplement of $3-5K

Additionally there is the potential the interior is smoke damaged....

My understanding is the plenum melted so the engine hit 1200 degrees or more.....internals are probably messed up