The better looking derrière?

[XfireZ51]

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[mike100]

I know the later cars are quite a bit taller than the C4's, but unless you are seated it doesn't show up in standing pictures. Being low and wide looks wide because of the long rectangle type of profile where as the C7 is more square and blocky due to its height. which one is actually wider?

[Vette73]

Tough call, but I think that ZO6 is hard to beat.....The tread width alone looks great...

[XfireZ51]

Mike,

The C4 appears diminutive in contrast to the C7. It almost looks like a quaint English sports car in comparison. And this was "just" a Stingray.
The Z06 would be a behemoth. Also, part of the contrast is how simple the C4 looks and busy the C7 is. Not a fan of the stripes, at least not on that color red.
However, of the last 3 generations, the C7 is the one I would trade my ZR for.

[Gunny]

When the C4 was introduced I was slow to appreciate its styling & beauty. When the C5 was introduced I was again very slow to appreciate it ... even thought it a bit ugly.

I now have a C4 ZR-1 and a C5 ZO6 and don't wish to part with either of them. I like & appreciate both.

But when the C7 was introduced I was instantly smitten ... I would really like to add one to the collection.

[FU]

Mike,

The C4 appears diminutive in contrast to the C7. It almost looks like a quaint English sports car in comparison. .

Think about it......The C4 is a quaint English sports car :-D:-D:-D

[WARP TEN]

I know the later cars are quite a bit taller than the C4's, but unless you are seated it doesn't show up in standing pictures. Being low and wide looks wide because of the long rectangle type of profile where as the C7 is more square and blocky due to its height. which one is actually wider?

The C4 ZR-1 is 46.3 inches tall. The C6 ZR1 and C7s are 48.6 inches tall. So 2.3 inches taller. How do I know? Had to know it to make sure I could get a lift into my 10 foot tall garage. One 5 foot tall car plus one 4 foot tall car plus a foot for ramp thickness and clearance room. The C4 ZR-1 is 73.1 inches wide, the C6 ZR1 is 75.9 inches wide and interestingly the regular C7 is 73.9 inches wide. C7 Z06 is 77.1 inches wide. Kind of like ours--about 3 inches wider than regular. --Bob

[We Gone]

Nice contrast of how styling has changed over the years, I would also love to have a C7 but would not give up my ZR-1..

[Mystic ZR-1]

Think about it......The C4 is a quaint English sports car :-D:-D:-D

Frank, I agree, after I think Bentley, the next thought is C4 Corvette...
:dancing

[JimZRyd]

I'd only want the C7Z. Kinda partial to the wide bodies! Even with the C6, the base model just doesn't do it for me. The wide bodies look so much better!

[Mystic ZR-1]

How about these skinny butt Bentleys?

[XfireZ51]

Frank, I agree, after I think Bentley, the next thought is C4 Corvette...
:dancing

I think MGB or Triumph TR-6.

No question that the ZR-1 set off the whole factory Corvette widebody craze.

[Dime]

Eh, the c7s are nice, but the rear? No thanks, too busy. I will say when I first saw a c7z06 in red with black wheels, I wasn't sure if it was real. Looked like hell on earth and like it was from another place. Mean looking car.

A c4 ZR-1 still has one of the best if not the best rear of the corvettes. Low, flat, wide, and curvy.

[RussMcB]

When I first saw the C7 I thought, Uh-oh. People aren't going to like Camaro taillights on a Corvette.

I was wrong.

[XfireZ51]

When I first saw the C7 I thought, Uh-oh. People aren't going to like Camaro taillights on a Corvette.

I was wrong.

I happen to like the taillamps. Interesting to watch them on video as they are actually flickering or that's the fps of the video.

[RussMcB]

I happen to like the taillamps.Me, too, now. It didn't take long for me to come around. Maybe 2 days? :-)

And, holy cow - Can you believe the performance level they put into new Corvettes! Just wow. At Road Atlanta I was passed by a Z06 so fast it was almost shocking. He probably had the A/C on.

Speaking about derrieres, I sure wish there was some kind of great looking (and inexpensive) rear spoiler/wing for C4's. I haven't seen any (except for purpose built race cars, which would probably look silly on a street car).

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Still not a fan of the new tail light setup......growing on me though. Just like mold.....lol

[Mr Blue]

Still not a fan of the new tail light setup......growing on me though. Just like mold.....lol

I'm in this camp too. The C7 looks overdone. I like the simplicity of the C4's lines. I also like C2s. Under the hood, nothing compares to the LT5. Later models are too much Tupperware. Just my opinion.

[KILLSHOTS]

I think this particular "nice a$$" contest is an unfair fight; the C7 in the pic should probably be disqualified, due simply to those silly stripes. Stingrays just look like rolling cartoons with those installed...so out of place on an expensive, world-class sports car. I ditched those cheesy Stingray emblems on the sides and the Corvette lettering on the tail, too. Classes up the place. Even if you clean the junk off the Stingray, though, still hard to beat a C4 ZR-1 rear end.

[diamond zr1]

love the c4s/from the clamshell hood to the wide butt zr1 and the aerobody callaways/like my Studebaker Avanti,designs that are clean look good generations later/still waiting for a mid engine zr1 with the lines of the new ford gt///maybe a lt5 motor,in place of the 6 in the ford gt?

[Vette73]

Googled 2016 mid engine corvette....Really impressive photos....First car to come to mind as far as looks was the Ferrari 360...I think the car will be a hit if in fact Chevy goes through with the design....

[Fully Vetted]

Still not a fan of the new tail light setup......growing on me though. Just like mold.....lol

Totally agree, Brett.

[ZR1North]

Me, too, now. It didn't take long for me to come around. Maybe 2 days? :-)

And, holy cow - Can you believe the performance level they put into new Corvettes! Just wow. At Road Atlanta I was passed by a Z06 so fast it was almost shocking. He probably had the A/C on.

Speaking about derrieres, I sure wish there was some kind of great looking (and inexpensive) rear spoiler/wing for C4's. I haven't seen any (except for purpose built race cars, which would probably look silly on a street car).

Share your thoughts, Russ, on both the C7 (loved it fr Day 1 and love the Z06 even more) and a modest spoiler for the ZR-1s (something subtle - like on the M3s perhaps).

[XfireZ51]

Googled 2016 mid engine corvette....Really impressive photos....First car to come to mind as far as looks was the Ferrari 360...I think the car will be a hit if in fact Chevy goes through with the design....

It's going to need to be incredible after the debut of the Ford GT.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

[-=Jeff=-]

Googled 2016 mid engine corvette....Really impressive photos....First car to come to mind as far as looks was the Ferrari 360...I think the car will be a hit if in fact Chevy goes through with the design....


Maybe that is why GM Trademarked Manta Ray

[XfireZ51]

Maybe that is why GM Trademarked Manta Ray

Jeez, I hope not.

[digg101]

i tried to get the same shot on Sunday 335's on each side 345's in the center

[Vette73]

That GT is a beast.....I remember when Ford put them out...The pricing I believe was around 140-150 thousand....

On the block there going between 220-240 thousand if I remember correctly,used...
Talk about an investment..Maybe I should have used my equity to buy one back in the day instead of a home in Florida ....Lol....Its all good ....

If that mid engine looks as good as the photos I saw it will be a hit......Than again I remember when I saw some preliminary sketches of the ZR1 back in the day and I was like "wow"...

To be honest when the car debuted It looked nothing like the scetches I saw....Honestly, my first thought was --"it looks like a regular C-4 Corvette....I thought, no hood scoops? No aggressive lines? The motor? Sure back in 90 it was untouchable....But the styling I feel was too close to the regular C4...

Months ago I was at a car show out in Long Island NY....I happen to park mine next to a 96..Car was in showroom condition...After a few hours the owner goes " hey I just noticed the back of your Vette is a lot wider than mine"....I was like dude, you serious?...If there is anything a corvette owner knows is the width of the rear on a C4 ZR1....

It's one of the most noticeable changes Chevy did to the body when they designed the ZR1..

[-=Jeff=-]

i tried to get the same shot on Sunday 335's on each side 345's in the center

Hey Digg..

I have seen your ZR-1 before
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HxxviUAHfb4/UdwHvlwW4xI/AAAAAAAAEFs/H78wpm8l01A/s912/IMG_20130628_154545_779.jpg

Where in Illinois are you at or close to?

[digg101]

Danville

[Mystic ZR-1]

[QUOTE=Vette73;228137...
Months ago I was at a car show out in Long Island NY....I happen to park mine next to a 96..Car was in showroom condition...After a few hours the owner goes " hey I just noticed the back of your Vette is a lot wider than mine"....I was like dude, you serious?...If there is anything a corvette owner knows is the width of the rear on a C4 ZR1....
[/QUOTE]

Typical of the "great unwashed" and way too many Corvette owners/"experts" and fans....
They don't have a clue!!!!

You mean to tell me he didn't notice where the CHMSL WAS?��

[Z51JEFF]

Not even close. You look at the Z and you see a basic image,you look at the C7 and its sensory overload. There's just too much to take in. I honestly think the rear of a ZR-1 is one of the best on a Corvette. When you look at the rear of the car you can't see past the bumper where it blends in to the quarters. Me like😁

[batchman]

How about these skinny butt Bentleys?

Is that car still showing up at LRP? I remember loving it when the Historics were on the ticket the Memorial Day IMSA GTP cars.

Wow. 30 years ago. Wow.

Best,
- Jeff

[GOLDCYLON]

I happen to like the taillamps. Interesting to watch them on video as they are actually flickering or that's the fps of the video.

video refresh rate

[Mystic ZR-1]

Is that car still showing up at LRP? I remember loving it when the Historics were on the ticket the Memorial Day IMSA GTP cars.

Wow. 30 years ago. Wow.

Best,
- Jeff

They're about 85 years old! 1930 vintage?
Wonder if the C7 will look as good when they're 85?

[Vette73]

Yes....Agreed....I'm not saying it because I own a Z.....When you look at the rear of the ZR1 with the wide tread width of the tires,it bears to reason to even the common car person that this is no ordinary Corvette...

Granted the C7 is an awesome looking Machine though....

[XfireZ51]

Yes....Agreed....I'm not saying it because I own a Z.....When you look at the rear of the ZR1 with the wide tread width of the tires,it bears to reason to even the common car person that this is no ordinary Corvette...

Granted the C7 is an awesome looking Machine though....

In my case, the rears are as wide as the Stingray's so th effect is even more pronounced. Oh and my brakes are as big as his. Pretty sure this was a Z51.

[GOLDCYLON]

In my case, the rears are as wide as the Stingray's so th effect is even more pronounced. Oh and my brakes are as big as his. Pretty sure this was a Z51.

You know what they say about those with bigger brakes Dom....... They have bigger shoes :p

[RussMcB]

Share your thoughts, Russ, on <snip> a modest spoiler for the ZR-1s.The rear wing on this Pirate Racing ZR-1 isn't too bad looking.

http://automastersofbg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PRE-PAINT00.jpg

or this one:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1993/Daytona-1993-01-31-005.jpg

[5ABI VT]

No contest for me ��
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[rkreigh]

:handshak:When the C4 was introduced I was slow to appreciate its styling & beauty. When the C5 was introduced I was again very slow to appreciate it ... even thought it a bit ugly.

I now have a C4 ZR-1 and a C5 ZO6 and don't wish to part with either of them. I like & appreciate both.

But when the C7 was introduced I was instantly smitten ... I would really like to add one to the collection.

I perked up the c5 styling a bit with a tiger shark front and chin spoiler and a specter werkes rear with the small moulded in duck tail spoiler

the tiger shark rear was too much for me.

the c5 is a very stiff car in comparison to the ZR-1. The LSV has tortured the c4 frame and I run with an r&d race bar as I think it's stiffer that way than with the top and plus I like the top off

[Bob Eyres]

Wow, those pix on the previous page really tell the tale don't they? The latest and greatest doesn't look so hot compared to a real "Classic" design.

All those design elements on the C4 ZR-1, from as far back as the fifties, simply and seamlessly integrated into a gorgeous machine.
The C7 is a technological tour de force, but I'll never get used to the wrapper.

Way too "Star Wars" for this old boy.

[XfireZ51]

Wow, those pix on the previous page really tell the tale don't they? The latest and greatest doesn't look so hot compared to a real "Classic" design.

All those design elements on the C4 ZR-1, from as far back as the fifties, simply and seamlessly integrated into a gorgeous machine.
The C7 is a technological tour de force, but I'll never get used to the wrapper.

Way too "Star Wars" for this old boy.

I am a proponent of form follows function, so when I see a design that maximizes a practical element, to me there is a beauty in that.
However, IMO the Italians are unsurpassed in being able to achieve both.
The C4 is a coherent, singular design which is why I have often stated that it is the "Last designer Corvette" in the tradition of Shinoda et al.
Cafaro did a lovely job w that design and filed down many of the sharp edges from the C3 into a more fluid body. The new C7 is back to emphasizing those edges almost w a vengence. It is striking and makes an impact. I thought the C5 in particular went too far in smoothing some of the "edginess" until it was more of a blob with little in the way of character lines.
Probably why I like the C5Z the best of that gen.

[Mystic ZR-1]

C4s have the "cleanest" lines of all the Corvettes made to date...
Each generation represents the "styling thoughts" of their era.
IMHO: 84-89 are the the best... 91+ C4s started to get "swoopy", with
the body colored rub strip and the rounded front and rear ends taking away from
the neat and non-cluttered lines.
The 90 ZR-1 does probably look better with the wide rounded rear and
black rub strip than it would if they widened the chopped off one like on
the regular cars?

[Paul Workman]

Try as I might, I can't seem to warm up to the C7 lines.

It is "over the top", gone to far, and lots of cross similarities with other cars, including the Camaro, and even some Japanese cars makes one wonder if it is a trend setter, or a trend follower "me too!!" design.:confused:

I'm going with "me too" taken to an extreme: a design theme on steroids, I guess.:neutral: It kinda reminds me of the "Transformer" car toys that were so popular with pre-teens, some years ago.

The '63 SWC was and still IS a stunningly beautiful design; unique, elegant, and timeless beauty. I don't "feel" any of that with the C7 (yet). Maybe I'll eventually warm up to it - kind of like "Stockholm Syndrome".

I'm not surprised an Italian;) would be head over heals with the C7. I mean look at some of the those designs, e.g., the Lambos COUNTACH, Ferrari and so many more, equally "in your face" styling for styling sake.

Waxers and Warriors.... I'm a WARRIOR and am more impressed with performance than all that "way out there" styling that looks something right up a Grand Sport owners alley, or like a college art project or 'concept car' genned up as part of somone's final exam. And, as a WARRIOR, the rampant over heating issues (albeit on the track) of the ZO6 due to whatever engineering oversight or lack there of there was, it is a serious black eye the Powertrain boys, and the pressure is on and they had better solve iy and quick; NO BANDAIDS allowed!! (Right now, accounts of GM's willingness to buy back some irate customer's cars and replace them with other models - or the like. This is just the tip of the iceberg of a major flaw that was at least partially rooted with the bean counters.) Don't expect to see the C7 Z06 attempting to break the FIA endurance record (or even match the ZR-1, for that matter) any time soon.

Ah...sorry to crash the C7 styling group fest. But, IMO, Corvette has to have everything going for it; not just looks. In my Navy days, there was an old saying that really cut across the grain of a weapons system techs like me (among others); "Work it may, but shine it must!" The Z06's issues reminds me of that phrase...and the knot in the gut it always gave me.

Well... I guess I (we) get spoiled by the robustness of our ZR-1s and the LT5, no?

YMMV:cheers:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

The C7 rear facia just needs a re-design and I'd warm up to it. Still can't warm up to it as it sits.

[KILLSHOTS]

I didn't like the rear at first, either. The first time I saw the rear facia painted body-color, it helped me to start getting past it. I've heard that GM is going to make this an option at some point soon. For many who don't like the rear end design, this change seems to soften the overall effect quite a bit. I've grown used to it and don't plan on painting mine.
http://www.corvetteforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/c7-painted-bumper-600.jpg

[ZR1North]

I didn't like the rear at first, either. The first time I saw the rear facia painted body-color, it helped me to start getting past it. I've heard that GM is going to make this an option at some point soon. For many who don't like the rear end design, this change seems to soften the overall effect quite a bit. I've grown used to it and don't plan on painting mine.
http://www.corvetteforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/c7-painted-bumper-600.jpg
I agree! I read an article that one of the C7 group's goals was to appeal to a new generation of Corvette enthusiast home and abroad. Interesting to note that some 30% of 2015 MY buyers are first-time Corvette owners. That's not to say some of those aren't 40-70 somethings, but the stat does seem to coincide with the number of "younger looking girls and guys" enjoying the car. What's good for Corvette is good for NCM and for all Corvette enthusiast.

I won't sell my ZR-1 for a C7, but I'll gladly add one to my garage when the opportunity presents. I expect it will become more appealing as the MYs progress - 2016 or 17 may be the tempting years!

[XfireZ51]

I would body color the bezels around the tail lights.

[Johnny5]

I'd only want the C7Z. Kinda partial to the wide bodies! Even with the C6, the base model just doesn't do it for me. The wide bodies look so much better!

I agree the C6 is too plain looking but the Z06 or even grand sport is something id consider buying in future. Id still keep my ZR1! Ive been hearing c7 has quite a bit of problems