New Z06

[edram454]

I was riding my 250cc scooter along the Homestead Speedway when I heard the sound of cars racing... went to the front door and was told it was an advanced driving school and it was free to spectators. When I went inside I saw 2 brand new Z06 corvettes racing around the oval. A red one and a silver one. Great looking cars.

Compared to the other cars racing, turbo porsche carreras, mclaren P??, vipers and various other cars bmws, fox body stangs etc.. it held up quite well. The McClaren would pass that z06 like it was standing still. no competition whatsoever. The McClaren owners would change drivers and the next guy would blow my everybody too. It didnt matter who drove it. It would pass everybody easily. There was a C6 GrandSport convertible who practically kept pace with the new z06 around the oval. This guy had the top down and it was an automatic with the stereo on but managed to keep a brisk pace with most of the cars. I have been disappointed that the z06 has lost to the viper in a much televised youtube video on the street not matter how they started,, dead stop or rolling start.. and to see a competitor like McClaren literally beat the tar out of the z06 is demoralizing. It is time for a new ZR1 with at least 750 hp minimum with full carbon fiber body and frame with no less than 2900 pounds and 750 hp with 750 torque. The competition never sleeps and the Corvette should never lag behind.

[mike100]

We have been spoiled that each successive model redesign would not be slower than the last, but I guess it was bound to happen at some point. Prices on C6 ZR-1's were looking real do-able for me for a second, but I bet the prices hold steady for a bit if the C7-Z06 can't be woken up by a tune.

The market is pretty soft on out 4th gen cars anyhow so I side-tracked the notion of cashing out and buying up for now.

[edram454]

I have read a article where the z06 actually has 20 more rwhp than the new viper. But in performance tests the viper starts walking away from it after 60mph. They blame it on the aero package. Apparently to achieve those great track numbers in Germany and other places, the z06 has aggressive aerodynamics to plant the car but in the process steal horsepower in the high end of the range. It is a shame that a new Z06 comes out and gets toasted by a viper with less horsepower. I believe it is the aerodynamics of the car in general. What to do?? Cant add a supercharger since it already has one. We need a big cube twin turbo ZR1 mid engined monster next. 750 hp minimum. Price it where ever you want. Who cares! We need flagship car that kicks azz all over the world and let the few that can afford it buy them. Isnt that what Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Mercedes...on and on and on.. do all the time? Make it 250k but make it RUN!!

[WB9MCW]

If a ZR1 mid engined monster could be made and sold for $150K and be world class competitive that that would be a big win for Chevy and GM + the USA.

I think it could be done but will it is the ? of the hour.

[A26B]

I think it's understood that there is ALWAYS somebody who is faster.

EDRAM only mentions the McClaren as being faster than the C7 ZO6, stating "Compared to the other cars racing, turbo porsche carreras, mclaren P??, vipers and various other cars bmws, fox body stangs etc.. it held up quite well." Looks like it did well against the rest of the field.

About the youtube video against the Viper. Sounds like the Viper takes it in a rolling start drag race but can't best the C7 ZO6 on the track.

For the C7 ZO6 money, name one production car that can beat all others in all venues of performance, road course, 1/4 mile drag & autocross, etc.

Just to season the mix, how about the variables, IF all else was equal.... driver, tires & modifications (including tune)?

It's really hard to make an apples to apples comparison for all venues and variables. To each his own, but for me, I will look to road racing as the venue the Corvette is engineered for and the sanctioned results.

[edram454]

I think it's understood that there is ALWAYS somebody who is faster.

EDRAM only mentions the McClaren as being faster than the C7 ZO6, stating "Compared to the other cars racing, turbo porsche carreras, mclaren P??, vipers and various other cars bmws, fox body stangs etc.. it held up quite well." Looks like it did well against the rest of the field.

About the youtube video against the Viper. Sounds like the Viper takes it in a rolling start drag race but can't best the C7 ZO6 on the track.

For the C7 ZO6 money, name one production car that can beat all others in all venues of performance, road course, 1/4 mile drag & autocross, etc.

Just to season the mix, how about the variables, IF all else was equal.... driver, tires & modifications (including tune)?

It's really hard to make an apples to apples comparison for all venues and variables. To each his own, but for me, I will look to road racing as the venue the Corvette is engineered for and the sanctioned results.

It is true there are many variables to consider when comparing the viper and the z06. One of the comparisons was done by a guy that owned a stock 2014 viper with practically no miles who also just bought a new z06 in 100% stock condition. He did the road tests with the help of a couple of friends and found out that the viper outperformed the z06 once it reached 60 mphs. This was purely a acceleration test and not twisties were taken in either car. There is no question that the z06 is more sophisticated than the viper and actually has more torque but the aerodynamics of the car helps as well as it hurts high speed performance.

The Corvette is a road race car and never really designed for drag racing I agree but.. when I am on the street and I just plucked down 87K on a new Z06 and I am on a expressway or turnpike I need to understand that if I come across a viper or a mclaren or any car with more than 600 hp and slippery aerodynamics I can become road kill because of the severe aerodynamic styling of the c7 z06. The z06 held its own.... didnt pass either the Porsche or any of the twin turbo v8 bmw's either. It held its own and was pulling from the Corvette Grand Sport convertible and other lesser performance cars. It was getting mauled by the McClaren in an obscene way. The McClaren was stock by the way.

Unfortunately I did not get to see the turbine powered Mini Cooper that turned on his jet engine and left the parking lot after the track day was over. I heard this jet helicopter sound or sorts and looked around only to see a mini cooper so I continued to look for the sound culprit and when he came back around he stopped and spooled up that mini cooper jet engine and let it co about 300 feet and it left like a rocket ship. I was stunned at that little rocket. He did not race or I did not see him race but that was a radical little ride. The Z06 is not bad but it is not neck and shoulders above the competition either. It no trump card on the road.

ed ramos #3028

[XfireZ51]

Ed,

You seriously expect a 80k+ car to manhandle a purpose built $1.5M starship like the P1? Let's interject some reality into the discussion. And there's another youtube where a Z06 chews up a new Viper.
Besides, its pretty unusual to run up on another C4 ZR-1. How often will you be encountering P1s? Although you do live in Florida.

[Z06scentair]

Why not just buy a used 11-13 ZR1, pulley it down and smoke em all? Saving around 30k.

The LS3 is tried and true as a platform that can handle 750hp +

[Z06scentair]

Ed,

You seriously expect a 80k+ car to manhandle a purpose built $1.5M starship like the P1? Let's interject some reality into the discussion. And there's another youtube where a Z06 chews up a new Viper.
Besides, its pretty unusual to run up on another C4 ZR-1. How often will you be encountering P1s? Although you do live in Florida.

I agree the P1 and the new Porsche 918 are in a league all of their own with price tags north of 1m.

I do like the Lexus LFA though!

[mike100]

For all we know they were $240k McClaren 12C models and not the hybrid hypercar. They are all still twinturbo mid engine machines with active suspension.

[edram454]

Ed,

You seriously expect a 80k+ car to manhandle a purpose built $1.5M starship like the P1? Let's interject some reality into the discussion. And there's another youtube where a Z06 chews up a new Viper.
Besides, its pretty unusual to run up on another C4 ZR-1. How often will you be encountering P1s? Although you do live in Florida.

The McLaren MP4 list for 371k but one can be had with less than 300 miles for 227k. it has a 3.8l twin turbo making 641 hp. numbers dont look too ridiculous. it has less power than the z06. it is not a million dollar car even loaded up to the hilt. In Miami, there are plenty of lambos, mclarens, ferraris galor, panoz,,etc. leaving our corvette club christmas party in coconut grove I saw a Koenigsegg in the parking lot. Lots of bucks here so they buy these cars because of the notoriety not because they are automotive enthusiasts,, for the most part.

I just dont believe that the new z06 is such a awesome flagship vehicle like some tend to think. I was more impressed with the c6 z06 than the c7 supercharged z06 that has come out. Sure it makes more power but it does have a power adder stock. why is a chrysler challenger and charger making more power than a corvette??? A 4 door charger making 707 hp and a z06 corvette 650?? why does ferrari, porsche, bmw, mclaren, Koenigsegg and Lamborghini use TURBO CHARGING?? It makes more power and takes nothing away from the drivetrain.... it takes horsepower to spin up the supercharger but zero for the turbo.. Look at what callaway did with the 1988 sledgehammer.. 254mph twin turbo old school 400 small black with forged internals... no mystery.. no secret.. massive power..900 detuned.. 1100 properly tuned. I just expected more from Chevrolet.

[edram454]

Why not just buy a used 11-13 ZR1, pulley it down and smoke em all? Saving around 30k.

The LS3 is tried and true as a platform that can handle 750hp +

much rather have this than a new z06. I just read an article that a 800 mile z06 just chucked up the motor. it blew its motor while the owner was trying to break her in for this weekends track even. He said he shifted before redline when all hell broke loose. Chevy was notified and wants the motor sent back to them for evaluation and research. The customer will have a new motor installed under warranty. now his numbers dont match!!

[XfireZ51]

Just for the record, a P1 is 1.5MILLION.

[edram454]

Just for the record, a P1 is 1.5MILLION.

understood. the one at the track was a mp4. it was the low level mclaren. they treated it like a junker. multiple drivers drove it around the oval and after trashing it probably 100 laps, turned on the ac and went home. I have seen many mp4's around town. dwayne wade of the heat has a red one he drives daily around miami. I dont know what engine a p1 has but 640hp is not a ton of horsepower either.

[rkreigh]

it's nice to even compare a Z06 to ANY model of the McLearen P series

the new 650 looks pretty good, make mine a spider, and oh, yea, I'll need the 300 k and the 20k to keep it on the road each year

the new Z06 will emerge as a "bang for the buck leader" and until they are tuned up, the haters will hate

now one just blew up with 800 miles on it so the GM bashers are out in force

I'm happy my old LPE is within spittin distance of the Z06

the NEW ZR-1 is the one I'm going to be excited to see

I would really love to see a world beater TT mid engine car

GM has the resources, but I'm not sure they have the cajones and the commitment now that old Zora is gone

Dave M. where are you buddy to push the envelope??

I'll stick with my "old school" TT Z06 for now, rod knock and all

it's still lighter and faster, although the new car does look pretty killer and I do love taking the top off!!

[Tony Davila]

That is why my favorite corvette is the C4, very inexpensive to mod and because you have $150,000 left over in your pocket.:-D:-D:-D

Don't forget in about 20 years all these new cars with all the electronics may total the cars due to the expense of the repair. Just saying..........;)

[8cam]

The McLaren 12C and the updated 650S are formidable carbon-fiber monocoque supercars with some of the most advanced driving dynamics on the planet. They are supposedly so good that anyone can get in and immediately look like a hero. A Z06, as good as it is, requires skill to exploit. No surprises the McLaren walked away, even though the all-out track performance should be relatively close.

Z06 vs Viper? Puleeeese. :D I may be in the minority here, but I don't give two craps about how fast it is in a straight line. The Zs aero package is very good, and it will walk the Viper on a road course, just like it's supposed to. Anyone trying to drag race a Z06 is using a knife to drive a nail.

I love the C7 and keep looking at one...but for the money, I love my ZR-1 and will eventually pick up something else as a driver.

[BigJohn]

understood. the one at the track was a mp4. it was the low level mclaren. they treated it like a junker. multiple drivers drove it around the oval and after trashing it probably 100 laps, turned on the ac and went home. I have seen many mp4's around town. dwayne wade of the heat has a red one he drives daily around miami. I dont know what engine a p1 has but 640hp is not a ton of horsepower either.


Ed how many ZR-1s could you buy for 1.5 million???
Say you bought 50 at 400 hp; that would be 20,000 hp for the same price!!!

:salute:

[edram454]

Ed how many ZR-1s could you buy for 1.5 million???
Say you bought 50 at 400 hp; that would be 20,000 hp for the same price!!!

:salute:

who is talking 1.5 million?? it was a mclaren mp4-12c... can be had right now for 154k on ebay. I never said it was a p1 .. what I did say was that it was a trasher low level mclaren mp4 with multiple idiot drivers smoking the corvette at will. I mean beating the tar out of it. The new z06 could not pass a porsche turbo, a bmw twin turbo and even a 1992 mustang fox body with a new coyote dohc engine installed. It stayed with these cars but could not pass any of them. the only cars it passed was a relatively stock c6 grand sport convertible, spec miatas, camaros.

Believe me nobody was more disappointed than me seeing that trashing of the z06. so what it can handle!! it will get its nuts kicked in on the street that is for sure by a viper. Our zr1's are nice but are no contest with the likes of some of those track prepped cars. I would imagine some of our members with 415 engines and set up track suspensions would do well and I am sure would pass that z06 like the mclaren did. A new c6 zr1 is over 120k. A used mclaren mp4-12c is 155k. it is not that far off even though the mclaren is used with very low miles. Nobody is talking 1.5 MILLION DOLLAR CARS!

GM has the money and the engineers to make a car that truly stands out not one that runs with the pack. I hope the new zr1, if there is such a beast, will stand out like the zr1 should. the c6 zr1 held its own with MILLION Dollar cars but like always the upped the ante. the c7, so far, a bit disappointing.

[BigJohn]

How was driving?

[edram454]

How was driving?

advanced student drivers. these drivers are allowed to run all out and completely around the whole oval track. they are not restricted with cones to drop there speed. Unrestricted advanced student drivers in all cars.

[Tony Davila]

Ed how many ZR-1s could you buy for 1.5 million???
Say you bought 50 at 400 hp; that would be 20,000 hp for the same price!!!

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BigJohn, I like how you think. I now realize that I have 1355HP in my shop, and it is only 3 vettes.:dancing