I found the "BEST ZR1 FOR SALE"

[KILLSHOTS]

Never ceases to amaze me when looking through ads for classic vehicles - ZR-1s especially, of course - how often fools engage in outright hyperbole! The worst example is how they throw around the word, "PERFECT". That untitled red on red '90 with 30-some miles on it wasn't even "PERFECT".

For your viewing pleasure, the "BEST ZR1 FOR SALE" has only 31K miles and is in "PERFECT SHAPE" and now available to YOU, its lucky 5th owner.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Corvette-ZR1-1991-zr-1-corvette-low-miles-/181534389089?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a444af361&item=181534389089&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[USAFPILOT]

Looks like a very clean car at a very fair price. Compared to others it might be perfect.

[QB93Z]

This ZR-1 is just down the road from me. I don't know anything about it or the owner, but I would be glad to inspect it if anyone is interested.

Jim

[KILLSHOTS]

Looks like a very clean car at a very fair price. Compared to others it might be perfect.
Perfect means absolutely flawless, without fault. Call it excellent, instead. That's my only point.

[mike100]

Perfect for it's price point maybe. Perfect for a clean driver.

I bought a used truck because I needed one cheap and to have something to run parts around in. I found it listed on CL as 'Best Pickup Ever'. It was for $3200.

[KILLSHOTS]

I'd like to see some guys who've sweated NCRS inspections chime in here...

Perfect doesn't mean nice or even excellent. It's not a subjective word; it means that an object has NO flaws. If the description is accurate, then this must be a 100-point NCRS Top Flight car. Would you NCRS guys agree?

[hiperf406]

At least it is a ZR1 not just a wannabe. :cheers:

[Billy Mild]

It looks like a very nice example. Better than mine anyway. Granted I should have a decent car when I'm done with it, but this is a case of if you can get it for $15,000 that is a great deal.

[KILLSHOTS]

I agree, it looks like an extremely nice car, and it should be described as such. My issue is not with the actual condition of the car but with the seller's claim that the car is perfect. An object must only have one flaw in order to not be perfect. I am simply trying to view this through the eyes of an NCRS guy who has painstakingly - and at spectacular expense - gone through every single nut and bolt on his car to try to achieve true perfection. For instance, Brad (Z06Centair) just got a 98.8 point Top Flight award last week, and I'm willing to bet it was very difficult (to say the least) to get the car fully prepared. We need to be very careful about using the word "perfect" when there is a points-based system already in place that is specifically meant to tell us how close a car really is. I have respect for the NCRS judging process and for those who decide to submit their cars to it. I would simply ask that someone take the time and effort to put his car through that tedious process before telling me that it is perfect.

Need I be more concise?

[edram454]

I am sure being a black car I can find 20 or 30 flaws in the paint. I also saw a crushed side bolster on this car which is perfectly crushed. It is a nice car but not even close to perfect. Wannabe salesman use the word alot just to sell there stuff. Usually when I hear the word perfect I start looking for flaws with no forgiveness. Perfect is used too loosely when describing cars and those who use them are usually lying.

ed ramos #3028

[samgallagher]

When it comes to condition in buying a car I use Hagerty's Condition Codes. Hagerty uses 4 condition codes: 1, 2, 3, 4. 1 is concours and 4 is fair.
http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch

Example:
Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image is of the best car, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the finest concours. Perfectly clean, the car has been groomed down to the tire treads. Painted and chromed surfaces are mirror-like. Dust and dirt are banned, and materials used are correct and superbly fitted. The one word description for #1 cars is "concours."

Condition#2 cars could win a local or regional show. They can be former #1 cars that have been driven or have aged. Seasoned observers will have to look closely for flaws, but will be able to find some not seen by the general public. The paint, chrome, glass and interior will all appear as excellent. No excessive smoke will be seen on startup, no unusual noises will emanate from the engine compartment. The vehicle will drive as a new car of its era would. The one word description for #2 cars is "excellent."

[KILLSHOTS]

When it comes to condition in buying a car I use Hagerty's Condition Codes. Hagerty uses 4 condition codes: 1, 2, 3, 4. 1 is concours and 4 is fair.
http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch

Example:
Condition #1 vehicles are the best in the world. The visual image is of the best car, in the right colors, driving onto the lawn at the finest concours. Perfectly clean, the car has been groomed down to the tire treads. Painted and chromed surfaces are mirror-like. Dust and dirt are banned, and materials used are correct and superbly fitted. The one word description for #1 cars is "concours."

Condition#2 cars could win a local or regional show. They can be former #1 cars that have been driven or have aged. Seasoned observers will have to look closely for flaws, but will be able to find some not seen by the general public. The paint, chrome, glass and interior will all appear as excellent. No excessive smoke will be seen on startup, no unusual noises will emanate from the engine compartment. The vehicle will drive as a new car of its era would. The one word description for #2 cars is "excellent."
Yep, and even among #1 cars, "perfect" is nearly non-existent.

[samgallagher]

You are correct Chris. Very few cars meet CC 1. If you ever listen to the show "What's My Car Worth" by Keith Martin, he rarely gives a car a CC 1.

[USAFPILOT]

i think a car could be perfect for me, and still have a flaw.

[Bob Eyres]

i think a car could be perfect for me, and still have a flaw.

Nope, Webster's definition of the word perfect is "without flaws".
To call something perfect when you acknowledge that it does have a flaw, or flaws, is to devalue the word and deny the meaning.

[efnfast]

Nope, Webster's definition of the word perfect is "without flaws".
To call something perfect when you acknowledge that it does have a flaw, or flaws, is to devalue the word and deny the meaning.
Agreed.

[Hog]

Nope, Webster's definition of the word perfect is "without flaws".
To call something perfect when you acknowledge that it does have a flaw, or flaws, is to devalue the word and deny the meaning.


verb


make (something) completely free from faults or defects, or as close to such a condition as possible:
"he's busy perfecting his bowling technique"

adjective




having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be:
"she strove to be the perfect wife"

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I think that all of the responses in this thread could conceivably be correct. It's a matter of perspective as "perfection" can be viewed both quantitatively and qualitatively
Perhaps perfection is in the "Eye of the Beholder"? I'm not saying I'm correct, just expanding on some themes in this thread.

I find linguistics, semantics and pragmatics interesting.

[WB9MCW]

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/HAMMERHATE/perfect-woman_zps15d15426.jpg

I WONDER IF MEN AND WOMEN HAVE A DIFFERENT
VIEW OF THE PERFECT VETTE?

[KILLSHOTS]

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/HAMMERHATE/perfect-woman_zps15d15426.jpg

I WONDER IF MEN AND WOMEN HAVE A DIFFERENT
VIEW OF THE PERFECT VETTE?
Hmmm, I notice it doesn't mention anything about the "...according to men" version having no vocal cords.

[KILLSHOTS]

Nope, Webster's definition of the word perfect is "without flaws".
To call something perfect when you acknowledge that it does have a flaw, or flaws, is to devalue the word and deny the meaning.
BINGO!

[Vette73]

Believe it or not I actually did check out this car.....I saw that the top bud was 17,600.......I dropped the owner an email and he seemed pretty knowledgable when he responded back....

Long story short,I drove to Maryland from Brooklyn to check it out......Nice car very nice car.......He presented it well and as described.......I did drive it and it drove well with a lot of power........I noticed at times the car did surge a little at idle and when I drove it and came off the gas you can see the RPM bounce a little.........Not too knowledgeable with the LT-5 engine but it may just have been maybe a slight vacuum leak........Tires were OK probably would need replacement in a few seasons .....

I offered 17.600 cash in hand.......I figured without the eBay and pay pal fees he would jump but no .........I spent an hour with this car...The owner was a great guy and you could see he did take care of it but the best he could do that day was 19,000...

He contacted me a week later and said 18,700 would do the trick......Next day I bought the 91 blk/blk from Gateway classics in Chicago for 18,500......

You could if you want check it out on gateway classics.com....Go to Chicago showroom and type in 91 corvette.......Its lot # 633.........

Let's hope I chose the right one......Lol.....

[WB9MCW]

Believe it or not I actually did check out this car.....I saw that the top bud was 17,600.......I dropped the owner an email and he seemed pretty knowledgable when he responded back....

Long story short,I drove to Maryland from Brooklyn to check it out......Nice car very nice car.......He presented it well and as described.......I did drive it and it drove well with a lot of power........I noticed at times the car did surge a little at idle and when I drove it and came off the gas you can see the RPM bounce a little.........Not too knowledgeable with the LT-5 engine but it may just have been maybe a slight vacuum leak........Tires were OK probably would need replacement in a few seasons .....

I offered 17.600 cash in hand.......I figured without the eBay and pay pal fees he would jump but no .........I spent an hour with this car...The owner was a great guy and you could see he did take care of it but the best he could do that day was 19,000...

He contacted me a week later and said 18,700 would do the trick......Next day I bought the 91 blk/blk from Gateway classics in Chicago for 18,500......

You could if you want check it out on gateway classics.com....Go to Chicago showroom and type in 91 corvette.......Its lot # 633.........

Let's hope I chose the right one......Lol.....

Here is the direct link
http://gatewayclassiccars.com/chicago/1991/chevrolet/corvette-S633.html

Congrats Vette73 and welcome to the brotherhood - your Z looks very nice.

They do a great job on the video for your 91.

[Johnny5]

So i want to look at and possibly purchase this car. Is there any ZR1 owners to accompany me in inspecting this car? Please PM me and I will shoot you my phone number.

[Johnny5]

For the perfect woman, I think you have her facing the wrong way because it's all about the REAR END....women and a Z!

[Z51JEFF]

Theres a Black 90 with less than 100 miles thats listed as perfect at a very high price.Just looking at internet pictures its easy to see the car is far from perfect.