Putting it back on the road

[Harvie]

I am the only owner of a highly modified 91 ZR1 that was placed in storage in 2001.

I am going thru and getting it ready to put back on the road and would like some input as what to do to service it before putting it back on the road.

I talked to one of the engine builders that built the stroker motor and am going to pump all old fuel out, remove fuel and oil filters, change and pressure out all the oil, pull the plugs, drain all collants, then start the parts replacements
new RC injectors
check/replace starter
all new hoses
plugs
filters
(tires)
battery
misc hoses in ww system
anything else?

This car has always been garage kept and stored in heated/AC. Lingenfelter, Calloway, and D Rippie all worked or supplied components and it is a pristine jewel.

I am going to be working on it near the U of MD College Park and would like to hire a person to help with its resurrection.

Any help is appreciated.

[Scrrem]

I am the only owner of a highly modified 91 ZR1 that was placed in storage in 2001.

I am going thru and getting it ready to put back on the road and would like some input as what to do to service it before putting it back on the road.

I talked to one of the engine builders that built the stroker motor and am going to pump all old fuel out, remove fuel and oil filters, change and pressure out all the oil, pull the plugs, drain all collants, then start the parts replacements
new RC injectors
check/replace starter
all new hoses
plugs
filters
(tires)
battery
misc hoses in ww system
anything else?

This car has always been garage kept and stored in heated/AC. Lingenfelter, Calloway, and D Rippie all worked or supplied components and it is a pristine jewel.

I am going to be working on it near the U of MD College Park and would like to hire a person to help with its resurrection.

Any help is appreciated.

Well welcome!! Pumping out the fuel....After almost 14 years of it sitting, you should probably play it safe and drop the tank and have it flushed. Depending on how much fuel was in it, may need to replace the take if rust has developed and I would recommend a whole new fuel sending unit in the tank with new pumps. You should probably flush the brake system and change the transmission fluid as well.

I live in Alexandria and am currenly in the middle of my own LT5 stroker build, engine is going together now. I hope to be doing the engine swap sometime in Oct. I should have some free days that could come up and there to give you a hand. We have a pretty good group of ZR-1 owners in and around the DC/MD/VA area and gather often for maitenance days on our ZR-1's, so lots of help is available.
Rich

[oricale]

Hello, I PM'd You.

[Harvie]

Got the top off and am inventoring and ordering what is needed.

I forgot mention this engine was the big boy set up by J Lingenfelter/D Rippie with full plumbing for heavy oxy....

Talked to the Prez and we will be getting together real soon.

I have all factory service manuals and a complete GM parts book all the about 1000 pages.

I have a 91 short block engine spare on the floor that will be finding a new home soon, rebuild then bagged and stored. 2 bolt. 425HP

Have a spare set of used J lingenfelter 11:1 pistons and sleeves eng ran about 5 hrs and was torn down because of massively over sized ring gaps.

Have 2 spare sets of GSCs that would be great for NOS type show cars or trailer queens.

Have complete exhaust system from block to tail pipe tips that has 10 miles on them

Have a spare set of wheels centers painted Quazar Blue .

Have spare bell housing for 6 speed needing one helicore or time sert and I could time sert it/

I think I have 1-2 ZF 6speeds also, have to check

as for my exp playing with these cars:

I have large professional Miller tig ang mig welders and know how to use them...al ss steel

I also did fiberglass work for the GM factory before new cars were shipped to dealers (the ones damaged in transport or on storage lots) repaired before delivery.

I have built many engines with round combustion chambers but never fooled with a cosworth.

[WB9MCW]

"Any help is appreciated. "

You should review all the info DYNOMITE has posted on the ZR-1
Cliff has done many a ZR-1 and has a wonderful library on all of the things ZR-1

http://www.zr1.net/forum/member.php?u=2095

[XfireZ51]

When you say "highly modified" what exactly is that referring to?

[Harvie]

"Any help is appreciated. "

You should review all the info DYNOMITE has posted on the ZR-1
Cliff has done many a ZR-1 and has a wonderful library on all of the things ZR-1

http://www.zr1.net/forum/member.php?u=2095

I have read just about everything ever written or printed about these modified cosworth engines. I have all printed GM materials and that info, plus more on site.

I meant "hands on" help..... because my Merc Marine friend who worked on them is no longer with us.

[Harvie]

When you say "highly modified" what exactly is that referring to?

Just about everything on the car, engine trans rear brakes suspension body wheels frame and few other misc mods

[XfireZ51]

Just about everything on the car, engine trans rear brakes suspension body wheels frame and few other misc mods

Would you elaborate further? Heads, cams etc. And why do you refer to it as a
Cosworth when Lotus did the development and engineering w MM doing the assembly?

[WB9MCW]

"Why do you refer to it as a Cosworth when Lotus did the development and engineering w MM doing the assembly?"

That is a big confusing. Maybe an early proto engine could be called that but even that would be a stretch. No doubt the LT-5 owes its heritage to the Lotus DOHC designs.

[Harvie]

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/cosworth.jpg

They copied alot on these to make the lt5, see the resemblance?

[Harvie]

Would you elaborate further? Heads, cams etc. And why do you refer to it as a
Cosworth when Lotus did the development and engineering w MM doing the assembly?

It is easier to list what I did not fool with, I did not modify the hood release cable or some of the dash board. I want to retain its matching numbers value...:p

I even have a set of 3 piece BBS wheels are on the car now, with the centers painted to match the body.

[Z06scentair]

You mention set of GSC's? Are they fosale?

Cause I have a trailer queen!

[XfireZ51]

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/cosworth.jpg

They copied alot on these to make the lt5, see the resemblance?

DOHC motors have a tendency to look like that. I'd be interested in hearing whether Graham Beham would agree w u.

[WB9MCW]

"By about '85," he continued, "it was Lloyd Reuss [then president of GM] who made the critical decision to terminate the turbocharger development work and go for a high-tech engine program, as he called it."

After a worldwide search for companies that could participate in developing what would become the ZR-1's LT5 powerplant, GM put Lotus Engineering, which it owned by then, to work on the project. The initial Chevy concept was to build a four-valve, four-cam cylinder head on top of the Chevy small-block, but no one had thought through how the camshafts would be driven.

Tony Rudd, Lotus's engineering director, came back with an alternative — do a completely new engine from scratch. He figured that would be the best way to improve the cooling control of the cylinders. Rudd promised 400 hp from the new powerplant, which would displace the same 5.7 liters as the standard Corvette engine.

During a technical review at Lotus, however, Roy Midgley, then chief engineer of CPC's 90-degree V-type engines, found something he didn't like. According to Rudd, "Roy spotted the bore centers were 4.55 inches, and he said, 'Hey—you can't do that.' He said it had to be 4.4 inches, like the small-block V-8."

Rudd tried to tell him the bore centers for the LT5 were relatively meaningless, because the new engine wasn't going to built on the same production line, and certainly not with the same tools, as the small-block. "It can be any bore center," Rudd told Midgley. "No, no it can't," Midgley said.

"You do appreciate what this is going to do to you, Roy?" Rudd inquired. "We can't promise you 400 horsepower anymore, because the bore has to be smaller so we can't get the size of valves we want in." Midgley mulled this over and said, "4.4-inch bore centers. We'll accept 385 hp." That's how the high-revving DOHC LT5 ended up with a smaller bore and a longer stroke than the elderly pushrod V-8.

The contract to build the engines went to Mercury Marine, and the first ZR-1 actually put down 375 horsepower and 370 pound-feet of torque to its fat rear wheels through a ZF six-speed transmission. Like the LT5 engine, this gearbox was the product of a global technology assessment, here including proposals from two other vendors.

The powerpack of new engine and transmission prompted this view of the pyrotechnics in our first drive (October 1988): "What we've got here is the Corvette from hell. It lets out the power with the speed and strength of water through a fire hose. And the six-speed gearbox is nothing short of marvelous, working with minimum effort and maximum smoothness." In that preview story, we predicted a 0-to-60 clocking of 4.2 seconds. In our first test of a production car in October 1989, the ZR-1 did it in 4.5 seconds.

SOURCE
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chevrolet-corvette-zr-1-the-lt-5-powerplant-page-2

[Mystic ZR-1]

Some would say it looks like a flathead Ford...

[Harvie]

Some would say it looks like a flathead Ford...

I have never really cared too much about what other people think or say concerning my vechicles or their components. I have always done things much differently than others.

My ideas run simular to the line of thought that if it is made to be mass produced, it can be modified and made bigger, better, stronger etc with a little tweaking and infusion of time and $.

The reboxing/rebranding methods never got me. I never base decisions on a component or item based on a brand name. If I find that a particular OEM component is overpriced I will change to a different component or manufacturer and never think another thing about it.

Mechanically or cosmetically if I find something that I think can be improved, or want to improve on something, I either use past expirence with those items or research and test with the different component or configuration, then I perm change it on my stuff. Always have always will.

[Mystic ZR-1]

Some would say it looks like a flathead Ford...

Apologies if you thought my post was a personal attack,
I just wanted to point out that the spark plugs are right in the middle
of the head just like a flathead Ford...(the most iconic V8 ever built)

[Harvie]

You mention set of GSC's? Are they fosale?

Cause I have a trailer queen!

Sure everything I have is for sale....but, lets just trade.

I looked today and one rear $466 dollar jewels has never even been mounted the other still has the little side nibs the other 2 were on one of the cars for a year waiting for engine trans & rear modifications. Maybe 1000 miles.

[Z06scentair]

Sure everything I have is for sale....but, lets just trade.

I looked today and one rear $466 dollar jewels has never even been mounted the other still has the little side nibs the other 2 were on one of the cars for a year waiting for engine trans & rear modifications. Maybe 1000 miles.

Ditto.....make trade? What ya got? Will dicker!

[Harvie]

tires for tires you want GSCs I will trade for PS2 or P zeros no dickering involved

2 315X35X17 2 275X35X17 for 2 335 35 17 and 2 275 35 17

[Z06scentair]

tires for tires you want GSCs I will trade for PS2 or P zeros no dickering involved

2 315X35X17 2 275X35X17 for 2 335 35 17 and 2 275 35 17

Date code for Date code? Please supply the date codes from your tires, I will see what my tire guy can provide.

[98indypacer]

Sent you a pm.

[Harvie]

98 never got anything

Z06 12 week 91 and 47 week of 92 on rears fronts are in a stack and I can not get to them probably late 90 or early 91. You are in with 2 others who want them and all have the same offer. trade even up for 335 & 275 P zeros

[Z06scentair]

98 never got anything

Z06 12 week 91 and 47 week of 92 on rears fronts are in a stack and I can not get to them probably late 90 or early 91. You are in with 2 others who want them and all have the same offer. trade even up for 335 & 275 P zeros

Thanks but no good for my project have to be the first couple months of 90.

[Harvie]

Thanks but no good for my project have to be the first couple months of 90.


Well then, would you list the 1991 cars that were delivered with 1990 manufactured tires made by any maker, ever..

FYI Tire Kicking 1O1 is a class offered at the U of MD College Park :icon_stud

[Z06scentair]

Well then, would you list the 1991 cars that were delivered with 1990 manufactured tires made by any maker, ever..

FYI Tire Kicking 1O1 is a class offered at the U of MD College Park :icon_stud

You mentioned a couple sets of GSC...

Tire kicking....na serious buyer here Sport!

But hey with two other's in line, shouldn't be an issue.

[Hog]

Well then, would you list the 1991 cars that were delivered with 1990 manufactured tires made by any maker, ever..
:icon_stud
Any MY1991 car that went down the production line in 1990 would have tires made in the year 1990.
Far too many to list, lets just say almost ALL!

[Harvie]

Any MY1991 car that went down the production line in 1990 would have tires made in the year 1990.
Far too many to list, lets just say almost ALL!

I would guess you did not read that these are spare tires purchased as replacements so they would have been purchased in 91-92 or later. Date codes verify. We then bought larger tires the 335s and they were Bridgestones. I always went forward not back.

We also purchased from the tire distributors that were heavily into racing and they kept us abreast of the latest and best tires available. The guys we purchased from even had a gas pump that dispensed VP next to the ramp where we drove up for tire changes.

I also seem to remember that Mich were on the 89 testing cars and the 90 cars well into the model year 91 when Goodyear brought out the Z rated GS-C.

I could care less. I go for current tech not old stuff. I will just have the kids make swings out of them or use them for planters, if no one trades.

I feel real sorry for the people who bought and kept these cars as investments, I think Madoff made up those ad campaigns.

You show poodle/trailer queen guys always crack me up.

[Harvie]

I have been around these cars since they were designed and developed.
This little sticker from the 1991 shows I was one of the very first members to support the registry, for you newer guys.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/moto_0900.jpg

[Hog]

I would guess you did not read that these are spare tires purchased as replacements so they would have been purchased in 91-92 or later. Date codes verify. We then bought larger tires the 335s and they were Bridgestones. I always went forward not back.

We also purchased from the tire distributors that were heavily into racing and they kept us abreast of the latest and best tires available. The guys we purchased from even had a gas pump that dispensed VP next to the ramp where we drove up for tire changes.

I also seem to remember that Mich were on the 89 testing cars and the 90 cars well into the model year 91 when Goodyear brought out the Z rated GS-C.

I could care less. I go for current tech not old stuff. I will just have the kids make swings out of them or use them for planters, if no one trades.

I feel real sorry for the people who bought and kept these cars as investments, I think Madoff made up those ad campaigns.

You show poodle/trailer queen guys always crack me up.

No I was simply answering the question you asked...
"Well then, would you list the 1991 cars that were delivered with 1990 manufactured tires made by any maker, ever.."

[Hog]

I have been around these cars since they were designed and developed.
This little sticker from 1991 shows I was one of the very first members to support the registry, for you newer guys.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/moto_0900.jpg
You must have quite a few membership stickers being one of the "older guys."

Any pics of subsequent cards?

[Harvie]

No I was simply answering the question you asked...
"Well then, would you list the 1991 cars that were delivered with 1990 manufactured tires made by any maker, ever.."


No big deal, you have to know there were lots of cars that sat unsold for 12-18-24 months back then and they would not sell until they cut them 25-30k. GMs hype did not fool we smart ones. we sat and watched the fools and their money separated then bought the same thing 12-18 months later for 50% less than what the "collector/show/investor crowd paid, sad chevy got to rob those people like that and get away with it.

My 91 was bought in late summer of 92 right as the 93s were getting ready to roll onto lots. It then sat for a year while in arbitration over them not being able to repair the ECM shorts. That is why I was thinking the tires would be later date codes.

GM offered a buy back or replacement on my car and then settled by allowing me to modify and correct their ecm and then warranting the car for as long as I owned it, for anything I did not modify. It is the most worked upon LT5 car in GMs production history. Each and every time they came out with a production change part it went in for the retro fit.. thru 1997. My warranty work sheets just about fill up the black briefcase /folder.

Then there were the little modifications, anything that would make it stronger or faster was done. More than once....because as a computer scientist we always do things 2-3 times Test tune then tear up.....repeat until it does not blow.

[Z06scentair]

Poodles and LT5's you nailed it Harvie!


:cheers:

[Harvie]

Poodles and LT5's you nailed it Harvey.


:cheers:


Yup I figured you for a poodle person, too bad my guys are gone or they could offer and the poodle a real treat while I tested your door hinges for strength, when I went by it....

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/3wisemen.jpg

[Z06scentair]

Yup I figured you for a poodle person, too bad my guys are gone or they could offer and the poodle a real treat while I tested your door hinges for strength, when I went by it....

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/3wisemen.jpg

I have a C5 you are more than welcome to try, hope you got a big motor in that car! And that ain't tire kicking either Sport!

Sorry for the loss of you companions I have a grey faced wise one myself.

[Z06scentair]

Here it is sport, your worst absolute very worst Nightmare!

[WB9MCW]

Wow this is getting real interesting.

Soundz like someone has been called out????

This "sport and poodle" biz has me :sign10:

[Z06scentair]

Wow this is getting real interesting.

Soundz like someone has been called out????

This "sport and poodle" biz has me :sign10:

Yep all in fun..... Should have seen me trying to put the 70lb 15 YO Pit-bull on the LT5 motor.......that was Funny!

Guess the trailer queens, red toy poodles had him cornfused! There's multiple cars on this 160 acre hacienda that would be up to the doors getting blown off challenge.


:p

[Kevin]

I'm not sure what's happening here, but I'll allow it.

[Harvie]

Nightmare? naw snack time
C5 meet Keith Black :thumbsup:


http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/moto_0901.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/Harvie2/moto_0902.jpg

[Z06scentair]

Nightmare? naw snack time
C5 meet Keith Black :thumbsup:

My c5 is a street car on 275 DR's

More than up to taking that Hemi to School, and doing it with a LOT less CI! Like atleast 200 less. Heck I will give you the back tires for life!

Name the place and lock in 1g on 5g. Will load the enclosed up tonight, Put up or shut up.

Brad

[XfireZ51]

I sense an episode of "PINKS" being written! :cheers:;)

[WB9MCW]

It is becoming real exciting now! :happy1:

[Kevin]

:happy1: Anyone need a beer?

[Harvie]

When, where, and for how much?

Tires won't get the "hemi" into my Featherlite.

[Z06scentair]

When, where, and for how much?

Tires won't get the "hemi" into my Featherlite.

5 thousand no questions asked run what you bring..... My c5 against your zr-1 or hemi? You make the call.

You get the back tires. 1/8th mile

1 thousand earnest money both parties to a non-bias person.

If you would have responded 7 hours ago. I would already be on my way back to NC with your money!

Brad

[Harvie]

5 thousand no questions asked run what you bring..... My c5 against your zr-1 or hemi? You make the call.

You get the back tires. 1/8th mile

1 thousand earnest money both parties to a non-bias person.

If you would have responded 7 hours ago. I would already be on my way back to NC with your money!

Brad

No thanks, appreciate the offer for the small donation but too busy working on getting my 60 ft time under 1.175 to play with you.

[Z06scentair]

No thanks, appreciate the offer for the small donation but too busy working on getting my 60 ft time under 1.175 to play with you.

Koolaid running through your veins? Us southern fellow's pump Blood through ours!

Good Luck with your 60's

Signing Off

Brad

[WB9MCW]

WOW - Right when I thought things were heating up for a good race.
Imagine that!

[Harvie]

You think running against an 8.5 sec 1/4 mile bracket car would be a good race?

"Koolaid running through your veins? Us southern fellow's pump Blood through ours!"

I was born in Key West FL young man. I do not hunt elephants with a slingshot either.

[Z06scentair]

You think running against an 8.5 sec 1/4 mile bracket car would be a good race?

"Koolaid running through your veins? Us southern fellow's pump Blood through ours!"

I was born in Key West FL young man. I do not hunt elephants with a slingshot either.

Once again $5000 is not donation money in my book.

Key West, FL? Who cares?

Don't care about your hunting tactics period.

My primary concern is about smoking one of the two cars we spoke about earlier in this thread. Your LT5 or your Hemi.

You popped off about blowing doors off, I called you out three time.

You Declined.....period end of story.

[Hog]

1)Name the place and lock in 1g on 5g. Will load the enclosed up tonight, Put up or shut up.


5 thousand no questions asked run what you bring..... My c5 against your zr-1 or hemi? You make the call.

2)You get the back tires. 1/8th mile Heck I will give you the back tires for life!


1 thousand earnest money both parties to a non-bias person.



Brad
Hey Brad, I've got some silly questions to ask, for my own clarity:


1) "1g lock in on $5g"- Does that mean that both parties would give a
neutral party $1000 to hold until after the race when a winner is determined? Then the loser owes the winner an additional $4,000. or does the loser have to pay the winner another $5000 in addition to the $1000 "buy in"?

2) You get the back tires. 1/8th mile- Does this mean that you would "spot" him a length at the start? Like literally line up with your front tires at his back tires?
or are toy literally talking about actually giving him a supply of rear tires for life?

3) And when you state "1/8th mile" does that mean that your conditional "terms of the race" are for an 1/8th mile only, and you would require a "re-negotiation" for a race that covered a distance other than an 1/8th mile?


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I'm familiar with as a driver asking for "lengths" when racing a car you feel is quicker. Or "Giving or "Spotting" a car that you believe is slower.
Then there is the bargaining for "the move", if you have the "move" you launch from a "dig" and your opponent then launches only after they see your car start to move.

Some people will "Pop" when asked to lift their vehicles hoods in order to confirm what engine modifications have been done to the vehicles engine.(this avoids you giving lengths to a car that the drivers says is "bone stock" when in really the car has a bored and stroked engine with a 300hp of Nitrous Oxide on board-"popping" your own vehicles hood allows you competition to see exactly wahts going on under there in regards to modificaions).
I have seen many a potential race be called off simply because a driver flat out refused to "pop" his hood. I also have seen an impending race called off because someone had forgot to bring their VHT Trackbite.

Thank you in advance, sorry for the dumb questions.

[Z06scentair]

Hey Brad, I've got some silly questions to ask, for my own clarity:


1) "1g lock in on $5g"- Does that mean that both parties would give a
neutral party $1000 to hold until after the race when a winner is determined? Then the loser owes the winner an additional $4,000. or does the loser have to pay the winner another $5000 in addition to the $1000 "buy in"?

2) You get the back tires. 1/8th mile- Does this mean that you would "spot" him a length at the start? Like literally line up with your front tires at his back tires?
or are toy literally talking about actually giving him a supply of rear tires for life?

3) And when you state "1/8th mile" does that mean that your conditional "terms of the race" are for an 1/8th mile only, and you would require a "re-negotiation" for a race that covered a distance other than an 1/8th mile?


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I'm familiar with as a driver asking for "lengths" when racing a car you feel is quicker. Or "Giving or "Spotting" a car that you believe is slower.
Then there is the bargaining for "the move", if you have the "move" you launch from a "dig" and your opponent then launches only after they see your car start to move.

Some people will "Pop" when asked to lift their vehicles hoods in order to confirm what engine modifications have been done to the vehicles engine.(this avoids you giving lengths to a car that the drivers says is "bone stock" when in really the car has a bored and stroked engine with a 300hp of Nitrous Oxide on board-"popping" your own vehicles hood allows you competition to see exactly wahts going on under there in regards to modificaions).
I have seen many a potential race be called off simply because a driver flat out refused to "pop" his hood. I also have seen an impending race called off because someone had forgot to bring their VHT Trackbite.

Thank you in advance, sorry for the dumb questions.

1. Correct $1000 would be lock in money that either party would loose, if they decided against the race $4000 due to the winner once the race was completed.

2. Back Tires generally means the defendant is tired of hearing crap and has offered the plaintiff to stage with his back tires. I'm that confident!

3. Yes the terms of an 1/8 mile is what my car is setup for. If someone wants to run a 1/4 mile then the terms would be re-negotiated.

Generally one will never see under the hood of a grudge car unless it's by accident. No times are ever shown on the boards. My buddy has been banned from a local track as he went off after the track flashed the times of his well known outlaw grudge car. The car won the street nationals two years?

Stock suspension on drag radials has now taken over most of the grudge type of matches.

Wanna see something funny? Go watch youtube stevie fast jackson.

That mustang was a 782 5in bore spacing with a VERY large procharger! The car ran a best of 4.18 @ 184 on drag radial 28x10's stock suspension! Rumor is they used to load his balls in the seat with a shovel!

Brad

[WB9MCW]

Stevie's Stang sure is Bad Azz - enjoyed watching the race vids.

This vid is good for explaining all the Grudge Terms
http://youtu.be/1gBSbVUS7yQ

[Z06scentair]

motptStevie's Stang sure is Bad Azz - enjoyed watching the race vids.

This vid is good for explaining all the Grudge Terms
http://youtu.be/1gBSbVUS7yQ

There are a bunch....he wrecked the orange car in 2013 and put it back together and it then sold to alanalbi

Another famous grudge racer is Tony Boss Bynes out of Augusta Georgia. Primetime racing has a car for anybody who wants to race.

Myself and my buddies know all of these fellows very well. Believe me there are many pocketbooks involved to make these cars happen.....that orange mustang was 500k racecar that Won millions of dollars.

[WB9MCW]

Brad I enjoy all the info you have posted very much.
You boyz down south do have it together for sure.
I luv how y'all pick on the Yankees
BTW I was born in Memphis so I am displaced in Yankee Land + home of the Commander and Chief and "Chi-Town politics" which now the whole USA knows about.
Well at least we are home to Chi-Town Hustler and a the ZR-1 Fast Boyz of Illinois.
ZR1 Pete and I go way back as friends. If I was not into boats so much I would spend more time to visit and do events with the Fast Boyz. (you can see my album in my profile on the boats and pals)

Speaking of CTH a good cyber vette pal of mine I met on the Listserve ZR-1 Net is very good friends with CTH and JF and his gang and many others.
The Good DR JP (he is actually a retired MD) or just plain John as he goes by.
Here is a link to his site and his bad azz 9s Mero
http://www.stbarinc.com/

Some time if you want to call me I will tell you a good story where JP and CTH and I called out and they all proved to be koolaid veins with all the big shots out of Milwaukee (Beer Town) who race at Union Grove. My home # is 8153446688
It is a classic set up and call out for a grudge - very funny story indeed.

It all started with this video of my best friends Mopar and some teasing of the Beer Town boyz on their favorite website where they all hang out -- Naturally my IP has been permabanned Well now that I think of it I have a new IP so I guess I could go mess with them some more on the site if I wanted to. LOL

Buddies Mopar Vids
http://youtu.be/8K7yHf7-hm0?list=UUHt2yQKqSZwKnZhkpqIcCsA
http://youtu.be/mNLqf7elVlE?list=UUHt2yQKqSZwKnZhkpqIcCsA
http://youtu.be/2FDCvWcqzGI?list=UUHt2yQKqSZwKnZhkpqIcCsA
http://youtu.be/ct2cYgOs6ig?list=UUHt2yQKqSZwKnZhkpqIcCsA

Bonus vid of my fav boat of his doing a 90 MPH flyby (Triple SC 900 HP)
http://youtu.be/wBcUf54YvbM?list=UUHt2yQKqSZwKnZhkpqIcCsA
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/HAMMERHATE/THE-42-FOUNTAINmontage-4.jpg

[Harvie]

Gee weren't Gatorbacks were on 90 and most early 91s

[Harvie]

Thanks but no good for my project have to be the first couple months of 90.



Goodyear started producing & suppling GM with GS-Cs in 9/91, another internet youngster is now corrected.

[Z06scentair]

Hey Poodle guy, the GSC tires you are looking for were never made.

It seems you looked at the wrong tires on the bikes in the jr high where you were when they came out.

Goodyear started producing & suppling GM with GS-Cs in 9/91, another internet youngster is now corrected.

Appreciate the insight.

[XfireZ51]

Hey Poodle guy, the GSC tires you are looking for were never made.

It seems you looked at the wrong tires on the bikes in the jr high where you were when they came out.

Goodyear started producing & suppling GM with GS-Cs in 9/91, another internet youngster is now corrected.

Harvie

I wouldn't recommend calling someone "poodle guy" on the forum as a great way to win friends and influence people. Just sayin.

[Harvie]

Harvie

I wouldn't recommend calling someone "poodle guy" on the forum as a great way to win friends and influence people. Just sayin.

Let me get this straight, if someone calls me bulldog guy because I owned bulldogs, that is supposed to upset me?

[WB9MCW]

Harvie it is not about the car it is about the people.

We all on this forum respect each other for what ever reason we want, own and love the ZR-1.

As a result of that mindset the moderators enforce the idea of all being pleasant with each and playing well in the sandbox together. No attacks of personal nature or deliberate acts of hate and discontent allowed.

We all agree to be able to disagree but promise to remain gentlemen about it all.

Somehow I think you knew all of this and really did not need to have it all spelled out.

Peace brother and may the Z-Force be with you always.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Harvie it is not about the car it is about the people.

We all on this forum respect each other for what ever reason we want, own and love the ZR-1.

As a result of that mindset the moderators enforce the idea of all being pleasant with each and playing well in the sandbox together. No attacks of personal nature or deliberate acts of hate and discontent allowed.

We all agree to be able to disagree but promise to remain gentlemen about it all.

Somehow I think you knew all of this and really did not need to have it all spelled out.

Peace brother and may the Z-Force be with you always.

Well said :handshak: