A couple things wrong today

[Corbusa]

I took her out to stretch her legs... and the seat belt indicator stays on . ( yes they are plugged in..) any ideas ? and a lite on the dash INFL / REST stays on...? any ideas .. also I'd like to get rid of the antenna ,best options? I hate the smokey and the bandit Trans am look .. even tho it is my 2nd favorite car. Thanks Guys ..

http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/hrdp_0709_bandit_pontiac_trans_am_run/photo_03.html

[Kevin]

I think the inst/rest light is the airbag and the connections are under the battery and just need scrubbed with a wire brush and you should be ok

[Corbusa]

Correction it was INFL/REST.
Is there something under each seat that tells the car there is weight in the seat in order to buckle up?

[BigJohn]

Correction it was INFL/REST.
Is there something under each seat that tells the car there is weight in the seat in order to buckle up?




No!!!

:neutral:

[WVZR-1]

Correction it was INFL/REST.
Is there something under each seat that tells the car there is weight in the seat in order to buckle up?

Nothing that triggers "occupancy"!

You have no "INF REST" in the DIC only the red in dash? DO you have both? If there's an issue with the SIR (INF REST) the SEAT BELT in the dash (red) will also light. If you've only the (red) in dash then it's a seat belt issue. If both DIC & dash it's SIR and most frequently is the grounds of both sensors to the frame rails. I'll not mention the cleaning that's covered many, many times.

You mention "get rid of" antenna. Do you just want to defeat the power mechanism to keep it down? If that's the case you can just put a demand switch in-line so if you're not an AM/FM listener there's no need for the mast to be up. -=Jeff=- and a couple others have done alternative antenna locations but with what results I'm not sure. I believe location would have a lot to do with "satisfaction".

[Corbusa]

Thanks guys I have the red seat belt symbol and yellow in the display area that has the INFL/REST.. So I guess both .. I'll look for a thread on cleaning the grounds / sensors on the frame rails..

[scottfab]

Thanks guys I have the red seat belt symbol and yellow in the display area that has the INFL/REST.. So I guess both .. I'll look for a thread on cleaning the grounds / sensors on the frame rails..

Here is one:
http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Information/TechNet/Electrical/tabid/113/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1735/INFL-REST-fix.aspx

But also you might want to check the two plugs under the dash on both sides.
Look for a bright yellow wire then trace it to the plug. The pins have gold plating but
I have noticed that on a few occasions by unplugging and plugging them back in
the problem went away. I then coated them with dielectric grease and that did it.
So both the frame rail cleaning etc and these connectors should be considered.

[Paul Workman]

Thanks guys I have the red seat belt symbol and yellow in the display area that has the INFL/REST.. So I guess both .. I'll look for a thread on cleaning the grounds / sensors on the frame rails..

Most of those grounds for the dash, etc are located on two lugs, either side of top center of the block directly above the clutch bell housing.

They are a bit awkward to get to, but if you pull the PVC and MAP sensor off (no biggie) then you can get reasonable access to those bolts and the grounds you're interested in, I believe.

Shine them with a wire brush or emery cloth, and coat them with dielectric grease before attaching them again.

P.

[Funracer]

Most of those grounds for the dash, etc are located on two lugs, either side of top center of the block directly above the clutch bell housing.

They are a bit awkward to get to, but if you pull the PVC and MAP sensor off (no biggie) then you can get reasonable access to those bolts and the grounds you're interested in, I believe.

Shine them with a wire brush or emery cloth, and coat them with dielectric grease before attaching them again.

P.

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19869

[Corbusa]

Thank you Gentlemen... I hope I remember all you have said.. I am leaving out of town for a few weeks and will tackle this as soon as I get back.. Isnt it funny how life treats us? Both my trucks are having issues , both vettes, both lawn mowers & all at the same time. yet I cant complain, I do regular maintenance on my equipment and toys . my riding mower is 34 yrs. old :) but everything took a dive all in the same week .... I'm headed to TX in my junky S10 cross yo fingers for me... Thanks for the info.

[Schrade]

Thanks guys I have the red seat belt symbol and yellow in the display area that has the INFL/REST.. So I guess both .. I'll look for a thread on cleaning the grounds / sensors on the frame rails..

Check the wiring first perhaps there Ron; are grounds for each circuit integrated / common contact? Or does each of the 2 have a dedicated ground contact???

ed.:
Just saw Mr. P's post; they are proximal, if not in common..........

[WVZR-1]

Check the wiring first perhaps there Ron; are grounds for each circuit integrated / common contact? Or does each of the 2 have a dedicated ground contact???

ed.:
Just saw Mr. P's post; they are proximal, if not in common..........

When the SIR faults both of the lamps are triggered, the correction of the SIR sensors to "function" correctly should more than likely eliminate both lamps. In this particular case there should be no reason to "first" go to the grounds at the rear of the engine. It doesn't rule out another fault in the SIR system, I mentioned the sensors as the more frequent cause of the indicators.

[Schrade]

When the SIR faults both of the lamps are triggered, the correction of the SIR sensors to "function" correctly should more than likely eliminate both lamps. In this particular case there should be no reason to "first" go to the grounds at the rear of the engine. It doesn't rule out another fault in the SIR system, I mentioned the sensors as the more frequent cause of the indicators.

Looks like I'm steering ya' wrong there Ron; my apologies... Thanks for the info too there Dave!

[Corbusa]

Its all Good . Your not steering me in a wrong direction... all comments are good. at least we're trying and putting forth effort :) I appreciate all the help guys . everytime you answer questions and helps me out and is greatly appreciated . You save me a lot of hastles which saves me time. Time is something I dont have much of.. I have sooooo muuch on my plate I never stop unless I'm catching a nap. I live life on the run.. Thanks again...

[WVZR-1]

If the thought of the impact damage that an early SIR can do to the human body you can use a 2 Ohm resistor to put out the lights if you like. It could be inserted at the column base or at the top of the column at the "air-bag" connector. How effective is a 24 year old air-bag? Is it more or less dangerous than when new? Don't know but the early SIR's were very damned powerful!

[Schrade]

If the thought of the impact damage that an early SIR can do to the human body you can use a 2 Ohm resistor to put out the lights if you like. It could be inserted at the column base or at the top of the column at the "air-bag" connector. How effective is a 24 year old air-bag? Is it more or less dangerous than when new? Don't know but the early SIR's were very damned powerful!

I know VERY WELL how powerful they are - I hit one SQUARE @ 110mhp, ZERO EXAGGERATION, ON ACCIDENT REPORT. And still got 6 ribs broken, bilaterally, in the pattern of the steering wheel. And I'm above room temperature because of one.

[scottfab]

When the SIR faults both of the lamps are triggered, the correction of the SIR sensors to "function" correctly should more than likely eliminate both lamps. In this particular case there should be no reason to "first" go to the grounds at the rear of the engine. It doesn't rule out another fault in the SIR system, I mentioned the sensors as the more frequent cause of the indicators.

This is dead on. Start with the most likely which in this case is easier to get at anyway:
1. Sensor to frame rail (most likely cause) And check the yellow connectors because they are very easy to get at.
2. Grounds at the rear of the LT5

[scottfab]

Thank you Gentlemen... I hope I remember all you have said.. I am leaving out of town for a few weeks and will tackle this as soon as I get back.. Isnt it funny how life treats us? Both my trucks are having issues , both vettes, both lawn mowers & all at the same time. yet I cant complain, I do regular maintenance on my equipment and toys . my riding mower is 34 yrs. old :) but everything took a dive all in the same week .... I'm headed to TX in my junky S10 cross yo fingers for me... Thanks for the info.

It's a corollary of Murphy's Law. Any thing that can go wrong will and will at the worst possible time and in multiples. My 27yr old lawn mower needs to be shot to put it out of it's misery. The counter measure to Murphy's Law is "one thing at a time" when fixing stuff.

[Corbusa]

It's a corollary of Murphy's Law. Any thing that can go wrong will and will at the worst possible time and in multiples. My 27yr old lawn mower needs to be shot to put it out of it's misery. The counter measure to Murphy's Law is "one thing at a time" when fixing stuff.
__Scott your new screen name should be Master PO________________

[WARP TEN]

It's a corollary of Murphy's Law. Any thing that can go wrong will and will at the worst possible time and in multiples. My 27yr old lawn mower needs to be shot to put it out of it's misery. The counter measure to Murphy's Law is "one thing at a time" when fixing stuff.
__Scott your new screen name should be Master PO________________

And another: "If things are going smoothly, you've obviously overlooked something" --Bob

[Corbusa]

Yes Grasshopper :) , just as a man dwell on his past he wont get shid accomplished during the present..

[Don in VT]

Hi Corbusa,

I have the same problem with my SIRS. There is a diagnostic for that system that will allow you to identify the issue. I think it is in the FSM. I think it is also in the search section anyway it could help. You can also troubleshoot the system with a Tech 1 which is the best choice.

My problem is the DERM ( diagnostic energy reserve module) that is located under the stereo head in the center console. Pretty easy to get at.

Here is where I am coming from with regard to my problem, the DERM is available for $ 450.00 but I totally agree with WVZR1 and I really don't trust the first generation airbag systems at all so I am not going to fix it. If and when I sell the car I will fully disclose the SIRS problem to the prospective buyer and go from there.

Cheers,

Don

:Eagle:

[scottfab]

Don, good to see you back on here. Been traveling again? I was talking to a guy the other day and the name Earl Wantland came up. Remember him?

The OP was asking about how to defeat just the passenger side air bag for child safety. I think his system works ok.


Hi Corbusa,

I have the same problem with my SIRS. There is a diagnostic for that system that will allow you to identify the issue. I think it is in the FSM. I think it is also in the search section anyway it could help. You can also troubleshoot the system with a Tech 1 which is the best choice.

My problem is the DERM ( diagnostic energy reserve module) that is located under the stereo head in the center console. Pretty easy to get at.

Here is where I am coming from with regard to my problem, the DERM is available for $ 450.00 but I totally agree with WVZR1 and I really don't trust the first generation airbag systems at all so I am not going to fix it. If and when I sell the car I will fully disclose the SIRS problem to the prospective buyer and go from there.

Cheers,

Don

:Eagle:

[HAWAIIZR-1]

Yeah, I had my own frustration trying to fix the same trouble and appears to be the DERM so I gave up; mine won't even throw codes. As soon as I get back home I have my Momo Competition steering wheel and NRT quick release on the shelf so I'll yank the air bag and disable all. I want to install all now, but with my luck some jerk will steal the steering wheel in shipment when it arrives to Hawaii so I'll wait.

[Dynomite]

the seat belt indicator stays on . ( yes they are plugged in..) any ideas ? and a lite on the dash INFL / REST stays on...? any ideas .. [/URL]

Just fixed my INFL REST and Seat Belt light warnings today along with several other associated codes :p
The trick was to remove the battery base plate (Drivers side) and Windshield Wiper Bottle and rear wheel well (Passenger side) to gain clear access to the Left and Right Air Bag Impact Sensors. The issue was poor grounding of both sensors.

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