Ooooo! She luvs cold air!!

[Paul Workman]

Took the ol girl out to stretch her legs. Temps at 19ºF...temp up to snuff, shift into 2nd and row the gears. Wow! That shift light comes on quick!

Man...Is it spring yet??? Can't wait!!:o

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Paul, I did the same thing last week....twice!!!

Not much sticky back there but it sure was nice to hear that roar and feel that giddy-up. Can't wait for BG!!!!

:cheers:

[efnfast]

Wish I could.

[cvette98pacecar]

Paul, that had to be fun. Cant wait until spring gets here.

[XfireZ51]

Yes give those valves dense air and look out. Mine is on jack stands right now. Getting rear calipers polished since I am replacing brake hoses and fluid.

[efnfast]

Dominic, you're going to have the best looking brakes around.

[XfireZ51]

Dominic, you're going to have the best looking brakes around.

Steve,

The calipers are the stock ones. curious to see how they look polished out. Should get them back Monday or Tuesday. I am still thinking about what color to paint the abutment bracket for the, red or black? Would love to have done the C6Z rears but I don't have Dave Johnson money. ;)

[efnfast]

The fronts came out great, post up pics of the rears when done.

[Paul Workman]

Paul, I did the same thing last week....twice!!!

Not much sticky back there but it sure was nice to hear that roar and feel that giddy-up. Can't wait for BG!!!!

:cheers:

Brett... Ever notice how quick these things can turn what looks like a smooth country blacktop into a lasagnea noodle??? :jawdrop:

Aw, but like you said - she sounded wicked!:-D:sign10:

[scottfab]

Did it yesterday!
Cold air and open road.

[Paul Workman]

Yes give those valves dense air and look out. Mine is on jack stands right now. Getting rear calipers polished since I am replacing brake hoses and fluid.

Loves cold air...yessss indeedy!!

Mine too is soon to be down for a little while - long enough to make a few changes. Looking to break the NA 440 rwph on stock cams "barrier".;) We'll see, and I'll let ya know how it goes!!

P.

[Fully Vetted]

Holy crap that's good power. I may buy you a beer and pick your brain at BG.

[Paul Workman]

Yes give those valves dense air and look out. Mine is on jack stands right now. Getting rear calipers polished since I am replacing brake hoses and fluid.

Dom, yew got a beuoootiful Z! Make no mistake!;)

P.

[Paul Workman]

Holy crap that's good power. I may buy you a beer and pick your brain at BG.

I'm sure it will be slim pickins... But, the brewskie sounds good to me. Can't wait till May!:dancing

P.

[LancePearson]

[QUOTE=Paul Workman;164043]Brett... Ever notice how quick these things can turn what looks like a smooth country blacktop into a lasagnea noodle??? :jawdrop:

Paul,
Interesting you said that about the road.

I'm still getting used to the rate of acceleration and the very high speeds the car can run. 0-110 mph now is very comfortable for me to handle and experience but the one time so far that I ran it hard on a 2.3 mile long country stretch with no driveways, intersections, straight and flat good paved road up to around 140 mph it all seemed very fast, I wondered at the time whether the road was more crowned than I thought and while it worked okay, for me the 205 fps all had tiny elements of being just a little bit of a blur as a first time experience.

Since then I've gone back to that stretch several times and run it not like a drag strip run getting to speeds in a hurry but taking my time and watching the road, fx3 set in race and gaining experience above 100 mph to 125 mph or so several times. What a difference to my relative inexperience that has made, more time to sort of process and incorporate the experience better for me. I now am just focusing on the driving experience and the road and getting very used to 110-125 mph. I run it one way, drive a little north on sunny days then come back a little later and run it the opposite direction.

I know it's just gaining experience I had never had before but the car handles perfectly and the difference between handling it in a rush and doing it this way has allowed me to get much more comfortable driving the car at these speeds. It will bode well as a base of experience for getting on it both faster and, as safe, at the higher speeds. I doubt I'll ever drive it above 150 mph but I'd like to do that a few times. 140ish was pretty awesome.

Probably something that new people go through but your comment about the road is so true....it now looks nice and flat with little crown and is much more an experience on good road than I thought fleetingly that first time.

The road didn't change, it was me getting used to a motor and car that will flat haul *** especially once you get into third gear.......The ZR-1 continues taking me to school......

I think I read somewhere that when you buy a 2013 ZR-1 you are encouraged to go to a driving school first before tapping that 638 hp. I can see why that might be so now.

[RHanselman]

Would love to have done the C6Z rears but I don't have Dave Johnson money. ;)

Don't worry, we have people in the government working on it. You'll have his money in a few years...

Couldn't resist... :)

[Kevin]

i've never met an NA that loves cold air like these cars do

[XfireZ51]

Don't worry, we have people in the government working on it. You'll have his money in a few years...

Couldn't resist... :)

Ron,

Actually it's getting some of my money back. I couldn't resist either. :dancing

[XfireZ51]

i've never met an NA that loves cold air like these cars do

Kevin,

That alone must tell you there's way more capacity in that motor than stock. And the simple porting results are another.

[alwayscode390]

Im always worried to drive mine in below freezing temps.

Isnt it hard on the all aluminum engines to expand and contract from the heat and cold? ---

[XfireZ51]

Im always worried to drive mine in below freezing temps.

Isnt it hard on the all aluminum engines to expand and contract from the heat and cold? ---

I try not to start mine until its gets into the high 30's or 40's just so the oil flows easier.

[Kevin]

Kevin,

That alone must tell you there's way more capacity in that motor than stock. And the simple porting results are another.

i sorta want to drive a ported car...but i know i'll hate myself after.

[XfireZ51]

i sorta want to drive a ported car...but i know i'll hate myself after.

Kevin,

As Billy Joel sang, "Catholic girls start much too late, sometimes it comes down to fate...I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saint. Only the good die young" . Time to lose your virginity.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

[QUOTE=Paul Workman;164043]Brett... Ever notice how quick these things can turn what looks like a smooth country blacktop into a lasagnea noodle??? :jawdrop:

Paul,
Interesting you said that about the road.

I'm still getting used to the rate of acceleration and the very high speeds the car can run. 0-110 mph now is very comfortable for me to handle and experience but the one time so far that I ran it hard on a 2.3 mile long country stretch with no driveways, intersections, straight and flat good paved road up to around 140 mph it all seemed very fast, I wondered at the time whether the road was more crowned than I thought and while it worked okay, for me the 205 fps all had tiny elements of being just a little bit of a blur as a first time experience.

Only had mine above 100mph once, by accident while rowing through some gears. I don't really like to go high speed. I just like the torque and that loud B&B Tri Flo.

Be careful, there, Lance. No need to push your luck, especially on any public road. Alot can happen at high speed. Like to meet you some day. Stay alive and well.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

i sorta want to drive a ported car...but i know i'll hate myself after.

Kevin, come to BG and drive mine as hard as you want.....then open your wallet for porting/cams. LOL

[LancePearson]

Paul...the good fairy will be right along with that one! Over 100 once by accident? Have some swamp land in Florida I am trying to sell!

[efnfast]

Rarly does Bertha go out without hitting triple digits.

[LancePearson]

Paul may live next to the Ndiana state cop shop and he is kidding tho the idea to be careful is good advice. I want to see all that power with 4:10 in the rear end at .B.G!

[Kevin]

Kevin, come to BG and drive mine as hard as you want.....then open your wallet for porting/cams. LOL

no no no o no no....see ya at carlisle ;)

[Fully Vetted]

Brett, you've got Pete's cams, right? I was told to ask you how you like them. I'm kicking around my next jump. Did you do both intake and exhaust?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Brett, you've got Pete's cams, right? I was told to ask you how you like them. I'm kicking around my next jump. Did you do both intake and exhaust?


Yes and Yes. I love them. Pete's tune and cam position timing has a nice smooth idle as well. The sound and feel is addicting. Doing the same thing when we build the 427.

[Fully Vetted]

Did you dyno before and after? Any idea what kind of power you picked up?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Did you dyno before and after? Any idea what kind of power you picked up?

Nope. Never dyno'd. Pete thinks it's in the 510-520HP range. With the 4:10's, it rocks:dancing

I'll be buying my stroker crank this Summer and plan to build the motor next Winter. In the mean time, I'm going to have the stroker motor's plenum siamesed and a full port job done to the heads and IH's.

[Fully Vetted]

So, if I'm already at 520ish chp I could get up to maybe 540-545 you think?

[Fully Vetted]

I'm actually probably closer to 510-515 right now depending on what percentage you use for driveline loss (let's no get started on that again). Either way, you think I could pick up 20-25 chp?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I'm actually probably closer to 510-515 right now depending on what percentage you use for driveline loss (let's no get started on that again). Either way, you think I could pick up 20-25 chp?

I'm not really the guy to ask. Pete or Marc are the experts. I just pay them for the juice and enjoy the results.

All it takes is $$$$$$

[Fully Vetted]

Yeah, not much has changed since the early days of hotrodding. All it takes is money. How fast do you want to go?

[Paul Workman]

Paul...the good fairy will be right along with that one! Over 100 once by accident? Have some swamp land in Florida I am trying to sell!

ME???? I think you mean Brett's advice. ;) I never get over 100 by accident...unless we're talking about 2nd gear! Otherwise... I ain't sayin!!;)

How-some-ever, I bought a new helmet and am looking forward to seeing what she'll do in the half mile run in June! I'm at 432 rwhp (see my signature for details) but have a stock TB and muffs (Magnaflow) that choke down from 3" pipe to about 2-1/2" abruptly. I'm chasing 8 hp to get to 440 at the wheels...on stock cams...which I hope makes a statement for the potential of our LT5s, and the DOHC architecture. So porting the TB to 63mm, changing the muffs to the Dynamax, and some other stuff the FBI gang and I are collaborating on...we'll just have to see!

But, I gotta say, if she was sucking 19º air, I might have experienced that "440" mark already. (Seat-of-the-pants would surely testify to that!!)


P.

[LancePearson]

Paul, you are exactly right...got my references mixed up.

If I had been slowly building my experience base at triple digits on a country 2.3 mile long isolated, no driveways flat and straight road it would be fun to report that 125 to 140 mph is getting much more comfortable and familiar. But then, we all know that's going 85 mph over the state speed limit so that must just be a rich expression of a fantasylife, right?


I'm sure a lot of us will get to interact in Bowling Green from all over and I want to see and hear some of these tuned cars with the power at your disposals. I haven't seen the itinerary yet but I hope there is a part day cruise as part of it when there. Hope so, or a check drive.

The June 1/2 mile in Chicago area I looked at the fliers for and it looks very interesting, there and in another location I think. You are doing it, Paul?

Have someone video it for you if possible. You will be very competitive.

With the 4:10 rear end will it keep you below 150 mph in the 1/2? Any references to compare it to for your own expectations?

I can say that on the hypothetical 2.3 mile stretch mentioned above that it does not seem to take 1/2 mile or much over to get to the speeds I'm fantasizing about and I reference 3:45's and more or less stock lt5 that's just been chipped with Samco hoses and K and N air filter only so you should do way, way better.

[LancePearson]

Here's the site which you probably know about for the Georgia 1/2 Mile shootouts. wannagofast.com Georgia 1/2 mile shootout fall 2012
http://www.wannagofast.com/events.php

Saw a smattering of LT5's on the video including one of Wayne Hale's two (I think his lingenfelter 415) that ran about 149mph. I think it was his resleeved one, not his twin turbo but can't remember what he told me when I talked to him about it.

Go to www.wannagofast.com and click on results then on any of the dates, I picked Sept., and then there is a button to click on excel spread sheet of the five runs actual results. he's in there at #50 on the listing which is not by speed. His twin turbo is >700 hp and he only turns the boost up in third gear to keep the wheels from spinning off he told me. Fast.

[XfireZ51]

I'm actually probably closer to 510-515 right now depending on what percentage you use for driveline loss (let's no get started on that again). Either way, you think I could pick up 20-25 chp?

Didn't the 405 cars use a different profile for the cams? Wondering if that would affect the gains you would experience w Pete's cams. We know that Dave J. ( a 94 AB) is in the 430-440 rwhp range, depending on exhaust, w Pete's intake only cams and full porting. BTW, I am
using 15% parasitic loss.

[Paul Workman]

Paul, you are exactly right...got my references mixed up.

If I had been slowly building my experience base at triple digits on a country 2.3 mile long isolated, no driveways flat and straight road it would be fun to report that 125 to 140 mph is getting much more comfortable and familiar. But then, we all know that's going 85 mph over the state speed limit so that must just be a rich expression of a fantasylife, right?


I'm sure a lot of us will get to interact in Bowling Green from all over and I want to see and hear some of these tuned cars with the power at your disposals. I haven't seen the itinerary yet but I hope there is a part day cruise as part of it when there. Hope so, or a check drive.

The June 1/2 mile in Chicago area I looked at the fliers for and it looks very interesting, there and in another location I think. You are doing it, Paul?

Have someone video it for you if possible. You will be very competitive.

With the 4:10 rear end will it keep you below 150 mph in the 1/2? Any references to compare it to for your own expectations?

I can say that on the hypothetical 2.3 mile stretch mentioned above that it does not seem to take 1/2 mile or much over to get to the speeds I'm fantasizing about and I reference 3:45's and more or less stock lt5 that's just been chipped with Samco hoses and K and N air filter only so you should do way, way better.

I trapped at 121+ mph last fall in the quarter mile on 3.45s. I'm guessing I'll be in 5th gear in the half mile run. So, it is going to be interesting. Hopefully the air will still be cool on the 2nd of June. (Fingers crossed!)

P.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Paul, you are exactly right...got my references mixed up.

Yeah, I'm the weeny of the group when it comes to high speed (100hp +). Let's say when I was younger, I played with the triple digits at will. These days, I just like the awesome FBI power and sound with all the low end torque at short bursts and rowing through the gears.

[Fully Vetted]

Didn't the 405 cars use a different profile for the cams? Wondering if that would affect the gains you would experience w Pete's cams. We know that Dave J. ( a 94 AB) is in the 430-440 rwhp range, depending on exhaust, w Pete's intake only cams and full porting. BTW, I am
using 15% parasitic loss.

Yeah, I'm not sure about the cam profile difference. Based on 15% loss I'm at 496 chp and I'm pretty sure I'm making more than that. An engine dyno is the only one way to know definitively what the chp is. Otherwise, it's just a guessing game. It doesn't really matter, anyway. The only thing that matters is what it makes at the ground.

My short term goal, like Paul, is 440 whp. Long term, I'd love to see 450 whp. I'm just not sure we can get much more out of a 5.7L. That's monster power out of 350 cubes. I guess we could swap out the pistons, raise the compression to 11.5 or 12.0 to 1 and run high octane fuel. I wonder what that would net? Someone much smarter than I probably already knows.

[Fully Vetted]

Yeah, I'm the weeny of the group when it comes to high speed (100hp +). Let's say when I was younger, I played with the triple digits at will. These days, I just like the awesome FBI power and sound with all the low end torque at short bursts and rowing through the gears.

I'm with you. At this point in life I still enjoy a high speed run but it's like I don't need as much as I used to to feel satisfied. The acceleration, though. That is a different story. I just can't get enough of that. That, for me, defines Permagrin.

[XfireZ51]

Yeah, I'm not sure about the cam profile difference. Based on 15% loss I'm at 496 chp and I'm pretty sure I'm making more than that. An engine dyno is the only one way to know definitively what the chp is. Otherwise, it's just a guessing game. It doesn't really matter, anyway. The only thing that matters is what it makes at the ground.

My short term goal, like Paul, is 440 whp. Long term, I'd love to see 450 whp. I'm just not sure we can get much more out of a 5.7L. That's monster power out of 350 cubes. I guess we could swap out the pistons, raise the compression to 11.5 or 12.0 to 1 and run high octane fuel. I wonder what that would net? Someone much smarter than I probably already knows.

FV,

We know that a stock block 350 can put out 474+rwhp or
~ 560chp. That's Pete's car.
At consistent 129mph trap speeds, I'd say its a pretty realistic number.

[LancePearson]

FV,

We know that a stock block 350 can put out 474+rwhp or
~ 560chp. That's Pete's car.
At consistent 129mph trap speeds, I'd say its a pretty realistic number.

That's ported, relieved, larger tb, no secondaries, sleeved, higher compression but naturally aspirated. There is one fellow, Wayne Hale who you may know, who has one of his three Tennesse Z's with two custom turbos on it which is Way, Way higher than those numbers. If natural aspiration, one thing, forced induction another and higher. Question is: how much is enough? I'd argue for 550-600 chp is more than enough. Got to kepe wheels in contact with the road making progress too.

[Fully Vetted]

I'm talking about NA stock block numbers. I actually wasn't sure what all Pete has done to his so I couldn't reference his car. That is quite impressive.

[XfireZ51]

I'm talking about NA stock block numbers. I actually wasn't sure what all Pete has done to his so I couldn't reference his car. That is quite impressive.

FV,

Just to clarify, Pete never "sleeved" his motor. I'm not sure what that is unless someone is describing install of new cylinder barrels. Bottom end had 70K on it. I'll let Pete describe the rest if he'd like. But it is pretty impressive for a motor technically under 350CI. As we have been saying in this thread, these motors LOVE to BREATHE!
Once you get beyond 5.7L, there's still N/A motors but w 427 or 441 CI with that kind of hp+ AT THE WHEELS.