DIS Option Video....

[LGAFF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjw6eeYi_A

[Paul Workman]

Delicious!=D> Need to bookmark this one for sure!

P.

[efnfast]

I'm glad you guys find this so entertaining, 'cause I have no idea what I just watched.

[ghlkal]

Wow ... that will be awesome :D

[Kevin]

I'm glad you guys find this so entertaining, 'cause I have no idea what I just watched.

aftermarket plug and play ecm

[scottfab]

Replacement for the ECM... cool
low voltage operation cooler
with programmability coolest

[efnfast]

Something wrong with the ECM I have? or is this for if mine dies?

[Kevin]

Something wrong with the ECM I have? or is this for if mine dies?

useful for tuned cars or cars with bad ecms. I think someone said $5,000 for the ecm.

[A26B]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjw6eeYi_A

Will be available exclusively through Jerrys Gaskets!!

[scottfab]

Something wrong with the ECM I have? or is this for if mine dies?

I can imagine this for getting by DEQ tests and/or at the track
and/or troubleshooting failures etc.
With a swap of a SD chip... seems to be.
Hope costs can be reasonable under $1200

[-=Jeff=-]

:thumbsup:

AWESOME

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Great to have new technology on the market for us. I'd sure like to see a replacement DIS module on the market.

Is that Ron's Ruby Z??

[XfireZ51]

Will be available exclusively through Jerrys Gaskets!!

Jerry,

Have you set a price point for this? Will it be supporting any other ignition systems?

[A26B]

Jerry,

Have you set a price point for this? Will it be supporting any other ignition systems?

Not yet..... Ron Hanselman will determine the pricing after all the costs are in. The system will be beta tested before pricing is finalized and released for public sale.

[Bob Eyres]

Please excuse my ignorance on this topic, but I'm not clear on how this would be used.

As a replacement for the stock ECM? Or for tuning cars that have such exotic mods that can't be handled by just re-tuning the prom in the stock ECM?


If you used it as a replacement for the stock ECM, where would you get all the necessary basic programing that GM put in originally?

[shaynezrl]

This is very awesome, it is very exciting to see this our car.

[A1990]

Please excuse my ignorance on this topic, but I'm not clear on how this would be used.

As a replacement for the stock ECM? Or for tuning cars that have such exotic mods that can't be handled by just re-tuning the prom in the stock ECM?


If you used it as a replacement for the stock ECM, where would you get all the necessary basic programing that GM put in originally?

I think I know the answer to your questions...Yes, this ECM is originally to be designed for turbo/supercharged cars that can't be effectively controlled by our stock ECM's. Other engine management systems for the ZR-1 have been around for years, but what Ron is trying to do with this one is to also control all of the basic programming plus provide for these hard to tune setups.

A bonus will be that with our ECM's rare and hard to find, there will be an option for all ZR-1s going forward.

If you have a stock, or nearly stock system and your ECM is functional, this ECM won't be for you, but if you want to add the Raptor LLC rear turbos, or some other forced induction system, you are going to want this...

[XfireZ51]

Something wrong with the ECM I have? or is this for if mine dies?

As Dennis has said, if you're stock or nearly stock, you may have minimal need for this unless ECM supply or reman dries up.

[scottfab]

...snip...

If you used it as a replacement for the stock ECM, where would you get all the necessary basic programing that GM put in originally?

The jury is still out on specifics. I think we need to wait till the full product is announced. Having said that, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't use the baseline setup it comes with to mimic the GM baseline.
Then you could presumably use that to improve control over emissions especially at where they like to measure at 2000 and 2500 rpm.
That is, learn and dial in what controls you need to to get best emissions possible. I'd be like having access to multiple chips that we use today only no pulling, burning new data and replacing chips.
We'll just have to wait and see. New technology retrofitted into 20 yr old cars. I love it.

No doubt there will be a learning curve to it but what doesn't have one anymore? Is this for highly modified high HP cars, surely. Can it be used in stock HP cars? Yes I'd bet so.

[RHanselman]

Well I thought I'd post this video today but I see I've been beaten by a mile!

I set out with one goal in mind so hopefully this will answer some if not all your questions.

That is, Plug and Play w/full functionality for a STOCK ZR-1 and beyond.

Here's a cut and paste from Ben at DYI (my weekly update):

We now have a running car...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjw6eeYi_A

Most everything is ironed out now, with just a few wrinkles.
1. We can share data with the trip computer, just need to program our controller to send real packets.
2. The secondary cooling fan will turn on, but sometimes does not turn back off as commanded.
3. A few minor things to punch out, normal type items with a new application.
4. Have not tested the interaction with the traction control computer -- frankly the only way to do that would be to cause it to slip, and I don't subject customers' cars to that type of use.

The high / low selector switch is working, and can be set up 2 different ways. Program 1 works just like stock; spin to the right for full power, left for reduced power. Program 2 allows you to spin to the left to toggle high or low power (the opposite mode is selected) and hold to the right to engage launch control. We used a dedicated microcontroller for this.

Right after we took the video, I sorted out the idle control and got it holding 800 rpm warm.
We're pretty close to drawing up PCB's and getting them printed.


Thanks,

Ben

As Jerry stated, he will sell these via Jerry's Gaskets. I'll set the price point once all the cost are in. The $5000 price above is about double of what I'm shooting for. I hope to have an idea next month.

Cheers,
RH

[Kevin]

apologies, thought I read $5,000 somewhere

[Fully Vetted]

4. Have not tested the interaction with the traction control computer -- frankly the only way to do that would be to cause it to slip, and I don't subject customers' cars to that type of use.
Wouldn't putting it on a dyno or jacking the rearend up simulate a loss of traction to the computer? I don't know how the TC system reads a loss of traction situation.

...and hold to the right to engage launch control.

This just might be an overdose of Permagrin...

[RHanselman]

Great to have new technology on the market for us. I'd sure like to see a replacement DIS module on the market.

Is that Ron's Ruby Z??

Yep, my Ruby... I tried to incorporate the DIS in this design but wasn't able. If this projects turns out as good as I think it will then I may try a DIS and a automatic trans controller.

Cheers,

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Yep, my Ruby... I tried to incorporate the DIS in this design but wasn't able. If this projects turns out as good as I think it will then I may try a DIS and a automatic trans controller.

Cheers,


Ron, congrats to you and the guys on all the hard earned success.:handshak:

A DIS alternative or actual reproduction would benefit us all, long term. DIS modules rarely go bad BUT until time marches on, we just don't know the actual lifespan statistics on the modules. We can all theorize "until the cows come home".

A combination of age, cycles and heat will eventually take it's tole. Hopefully, not for a very long time.

Congrats again!! Well deserved!! Thanks for investing your time and money to help make your project a success.

[gbrtng]

Yep, my Ruby... I tried to incorporate the DIS in this design but wasn't able. If this projects turns out as good as I think it will then I may try a DIS and a automatic trans controller.

Cheers,
I talked to these guys at the PRI show and I thought I heard the auto trans control was part of the package. Or not ... ?
=D>

[RHanselman]

I talked to these guys at the PRI show and I thought I heard the auto trans control was part of the package. Or not ... ?
=D>

Nope but they said it could be a solder-in option...

[gbrtng]

I see Ben at DIY has joined our group:

http://www.zr1.net/forum/member.php?u=2975

Say HI to him audience ...

[RHanselman]

Hey Ben...

Glad you made it over.

Cheers,
RH