Reverse Lock-out rattle

[chriskinzel]

Does anyone know how to make the little collar that you lift to get reverse to quit rattleing? If I keep my finger on it all is well, finger off = noise. Can it be removed and still get reverse?
Thanks in advance
Chris

[XfireZ51]

Does anyone know how to make the little collar that you lift to get reverse to quit rattleing? If I keep my finger on it all is well, finger off = noise. Can it be removed and still get reverse?
Thanks in advance
Chris

Put a Hurst short shifter in the ZF. Make it a crash reverse.

[efnfast]

Dom, I assume with the short throw, no lock out?

[XfireZ51]

Dom, I assume with the short throw, no lock out?

Yep. I believe ZF-Doc offers a short throw w the lockout. I have used the Hurst since my 84 and really like it. The lockout isn't even a thought.

[Kevin]

Does anyone know how to make the little collar that you lift to get reverse to quit rattleing? If I keep my finger on it all is well, finger off = noise. Can it be removed and still get reverse?
Thanks in advance
Chris

There's a tiny Alan key screw in it, needs tightend probably

[Pete]

Loosen the little allen screw push the lock-out all the way down
retighten the allen screw.

Pete

[chriskinzel]

How hard is it to replace the shifter with the Hurst?

[dredgeguy]

I had the same problem but the rattle came from the shifter knob on the top. Jim of WAZOO peeled up the top cap with a small thin screwdriver and hit the retainer with a small hammer and it was fixed. Also adjusted the reverse lock out as others pointed out.

I just received my Hurst short shifter and hope to have it installed during our next maintenance day. I understand it takes a couple of hours.

[sammy]

just my personal opinion . i have owned both shifters in my 2zr1s hurst and bills. and i have taken out the hurst in both cars and replaced with bills. i found the shift length a little shorter and smoother with bills. my thinking was he does magic with his tranny rebuilds and he put alot of thought into his design of his shifter .

[Kevin]

i must be the only person who doesn't see a problem with the stock shifter

[dredgeguy]

Stock shifter is fine, just wanted to make the Z mine. That is the problem when you live in WAZOO land, get to see and drive many other Z's and the mind starts to get ideas. It is only money.................

[secondchance]

i must be the only person who doesn't see a problem with the stock shifter

Kevin,

I still use my stock shifter and have no issue with it.

Charlie,

I hear you! And you are right - I have not tried other WAZOO car w/ short throw shifter yet.

[ZZZZZR1]

Kevin,

I still use my stock shifter and have no issue with it.

Charlie,

I hear you! And you are right - I have not tried other WAZOO car w/ short throw shifter yet.

Yun

Please try mine when I see you next and give your opinion. (I'm going to check for a permagrin during the test drive!)

:cheers:

David

[XfireZ51]

Short throw is one of the best mods IMO. I like the very positive mechanical feel you get to changing gears. Compared to the stock shifter, it snic snic.

[ghlkal]

Loosen the little allen screw push the lock-out all the way down
retighten the allen screw.

I'll just add to be careful when you tighten the screw. The reverse lockout ring is plastic and old. It's not too hard to overtighten and crack the ring ...

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Short throw is one of the best mods IMO. I like the very positive mechanical feel you get to changing gears. Compared to the stock shifter, it snic snic.


I love my Hurst short throw.:dancing

[DaveK]

Just to throw out my personal experience. I didn't have any problem with the stock shifter either, it always felt good just maybe not the shortest of throws you might expect from a "sports car".

That said I got a decent deal on a a Hurst and bought one on a whim. The WAZOO guys installed it for me earlier this year along with several other upgrades and I have to say I love the new shift action. It's now what I would call a "true" sports car action. Snick! Snick Snick! Snick! That's the only way to describe it. Short, precise and yet not obnoxiously heavy or overwhelming. It takes a little while to "reprogram" your hand but no big deal and once you do, man it feels good!

Thanks again to everyone in the WAZOO!

Dave

P.S. I should add that I was a little worried about losing the reverse lockout but it really hasn't been an issue at all.

[Pete]

I drove all of them none are good for drag racing.

All stock here.

Anybody have Bill B's modified stock shifter? Haven't tried one yet.


Pete

[mike100]

I drove all of them none are good for drag racing.

All stock here.

Anybody have Bill B's modified stock shifter? Haven't tried one yet.


Pete

I almost bought/traded my hurst one from him when he did my gearbox as I didn't see too much difference in the over-all geometry, but what i did do is have him swap parts from a 95 blue-label ZF allowing for the 'crash-thru' reverse detent. You really have to try to find reverse. I had a 95 base coupe before this car and I really got used to it sans lockout ring.

I think Sammy has the most work on his ZF- that thing shifts itself.

[scottfab]

..snip

Anybody have Bill B's modified stock shifter? Haven't tried one yet.
Pete

Mine is a Curt White kit for making the stock shifter into a short throw.
I tried the Hurst design (actually designed by Chris somebody who I met at BG) and didn't care for it. Looks too are off. The Hurst shifter looks like a poorsheet shifter or something out of a VW bug.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I guess I must be a VW Bug fan then. My Hurst looks great, IMO. No reverse lockout either.

http://i49.tinypic.com/j7u42r.jpg

[dredgeguy]

My interior is black and I have have been tossing back and forth to keep the stock shift knob on the Hurst short shifter or go with a black or white Hurst knob. Your Hurst knob looks great. So now it is to use the black or white with my black interior?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

My interior is black and I have have been tossing back and forth to keep the stock shift knob on the Hurst short shifter or go with a black or white Hurst knob. Your Hurst knob looks great. So now it is to use the black or white with my black interior?


The Hurst "ball knob" has a really good feel to it, IMO. Some members here have the polished Hurst "T" handle. It looks and feels good as well.

[chriskinzel]

I guess I will ask Santa for a new shifter. I tried to tighten the small screw, it helped a little but it still rattles too much for me. Again I ask, is it complicated to swap shifters? Can it be done with the trans in the car? This iOS a mod I would like to do but there is no one in SLC to help me if I get stuck.

[dredgeguy]

I guess I will ask Santa for a new shifter. I tried to tighten the small screw, it helped a little but it still rattles too much for me. Again I ask, is it complicated to swap shifters? Can it be done with the trans in the car? This iOS a mod I would like to do but there is no one in SLC to help me if I get stuck.

I think my new Hurst short shifter will be installed this weekend if WAZOO has time in the schedule. My understanding is that it can be done with the trans in the car and it takes a couple of hours. Will take and post photos to help show the work involved.

[WARP TEN]

I had Marc install a Hurst shifter in my 95 this past summer as I had done on my 93 many years ago. It has the stock knob on it and looks completely stock, which I like. I originally switched because when I had a CD in the player and it was ejected and sticking out, I would hit it shifting into third gear and push it back in. Mostly I like the short throw. It is more mechanical sounding than the stock shifter because it lacks a rubber bushing that the stock one has. Overall I am glad I did it again. --Bob

[USAFPILOT]

Switch over to the crash through 95' shifter. I think BB can hook you up. You might need the entire transmission though.

[Kevin]

Switch over to the crash through 95' shifter. I think BB can hook you up. You might need the entire transmission though.

seems like an extreme, possibly $3000, fix to a $20 problem

[dredgeguy]

Had WAZOO install the new Hurst Billet Plus short shifter. I kept the stock shift knob for now (photo of the finished product). Feels and sounds great. Makes a clicking noise when banging through the gears and very positive shift. Now no more reverse lock out.
Thanks Jim!

[Marc Haibeck]

Some reverse lift rings fit loose on the shifter shaft. Sometimes the ring vibrates on the shaft. In this situation the driver will notice that if the lift ring is just touched with one finger the noise will stop.

The solution is to bend the reverse lockout rod so that it is not centered and floating on the shifter shaft. To do this, remove the reverse lockout lift ring. Look down the shifter shaft and view the reverse lockout rod. Use a screw driver to bend the rod slightly so that is it no longer centered in the shifter shaft. Reassemble the reverse lockout lift ring. The slight misalignment of the reverse lockout rod will cause a slight thrust against the side of the lift ring so that it can't move to the side and rattle.

Interestingly after I doing this for years I recently found the procedure listed in the '94 GM service manual. It's on page 10-1A-26. GM say's if tightening the hex screw does not help, bend the rod. You know your going to have problems with noise and rattles when the car manufacturer has a chapter in the service manual named Noise Reduction. They list 97 common '90 to '95 Corvette noises and how to fix them. Most of the fixes were incorporated into the '94 and '95 cars. That's why I think that the '95 has the most solid feeling when driven on a rough road.

If you find that the 1.5 mm drive hex screw in the lift ring is stripped, GM still supplies the lift ring.

[chriskinzel]

I think that might be the fix I have been looking for! Thanks Marc.