So I was at the Ford dealership yesterday...

[robbz28]

I got word there was a 2010 ZR1 at our local ford dealership, so me and my buddy head up there to check it out. A "buddy" of mine works there (bleeds ford blue) and I asked him where it was and of course he said it was gone...well we were bummed. Anyway I asked him if he got to drive it and he said "Yeah, and that thing is a screamer...BUT ITS NOT AS FAST AS THAT NEW SHELBY OVER THERE..." I thought I was going to get in a fist fight. He started spouting out the most irrelevant and untrue "facts" about both cars and how the Shelby had 20 more horsepower than the Zr1....this was a 2010 zr1, the have 638hp...the shelby has 600. I told him he was probably thinking of the z06 and he said No sir...even with the proof in front of him he still denied it. Oh well, I just left him with "Well you do sell Fords for a living..." and went about my merry way. Anyway, thought I would share that with you. The new Shelby is a very fast car but it is not in the same category as the ZR1.

[USAFPILOT]

The new Shelby 5.8L engine is in fact the most powerful production V8 ever built. It is 650HP and the car is capable of 200MPH and 24MPG. I think it is a remarkable car to have that performance along with a backseat. So yes it does have a smaller displacement yet more powerful engine than the ZR1. I'd personally love to see GM license that motor and put it in the Vette.

[Corbusa]

I just never cared for any fords.. Even tho they are American made , I just don't like'em. FORD " F'd Over Rebuilt Dodge"
Even if the Shelby had 600 ponies I doubt it would ever hold up to a long distance torture test .( but I could be wrong ).
Oh and welcome !!

[Kevin]

they both have more power then the LFA and I'd still rather have the LFA

[robbz28]

The new Shelby 5.8L engine is in fact the most powerful production V8 ever built. It is 650HP and the car is capable of 200MPH and 24MPG. I think it is a remarkable car to have that performance along with a backseat. So yes it does have a smaller displacement yet more powerful engine than the ZR1. I'd personally love to see GM license that motor and put it in the Vette.

Well I stand corrected, I was unaware that the 2013 had 650 horses. I think the Shelby is an awesome car, would love to have one, I'm a car guy (not necessarily a GM, Ford, Dodge, whatever) just like great cars of any make / model. Still think the 2010 Zr1 will wax it due to the other factors like weight distribution, suspension, etc.
About the "most powerful production V8 ever built" I assume you mean horsepower per cubic inch?

[robbz28]

they both have more power then the LFA and I'd still rather have the LFA

If money was no object I would probably go Nissan GT-R Premium...very nice car.

[scottfab]

If someone gave me a new Shelby, I'd keep it.
If someone gave me a new ZR1, I'd keep it.
If someone gave me a Nissan GT-R, I'd sell it.

[USAFPILOT]

I think it is actually 662HP in the Shelby if we want to get specific. One pully swap in either car will send you North of 700HP pretty quick. Aventador? Why would anyone? Ohh.. the women...duh.

[mike100]

The new mustang shelby cobra does have the power and it would probably be the better car to go drag racing with, but I dislike it from it being too low tech.

it reviews poorly on the track tests because it carries a lot of speed, but the brakes are kind overworked because of that. It is also an all steel car without any VVT cam phasing like the n/a 5.0 has. Who knows how much profit they make on these cars, but it is just another bloated 3900 lb pony car.

even the suspension arms are steel- the Boss 302 is a much better dollar for dollar buy imo.

[FU]

My 2 cent's FWIW......I love the American muscle. If it's American and rumbles it's all good. Ford builds a great car. I do however prefer the early retro Mustang's over the newer style. Again this is my taste.

Now. To make this clear I will say that the newer car's IE: ZO6 ZR-1 can NOT be driven to they're limits safely by most of us. They are a hand full and a half. Even with the "nanny's" on. Dare to take the "nanny's" off ? Don't.

I sold a well prepped ZO6 last year. The car had wide sticky Nitto's , suspension work , cam headwork etc. The car put down 535 rwhp and 500 ft lbs on a very conservative dyno. With cat's and stock exhaust. But dyno numbers never impress me. that car weighed in at 3030 lbs with a half tank of gas. Let me tell you that car was a handful and scared the crap out of anyone that opened the passenger door. Left me laying down a bacon strip or 2 also.

Tracked at 10:29 @ 134.6 mph and drove like a Caddy.


What I'm trying to get at is most , if not all of us are not experienced enough to take one of these car's any where near they're limit's , safely.

The new ZR-1 as we say .. even more so. Technology move's on.These car's are not for the weak hearted. And by all mean's should be respected if one value's life.



Now the Ford is a great car. But we shouldn't compare to the new Z's. And neither should anyone else.

My rant is over.

[Jim Nolan]

Point well taken. The extra horses are lost racing with that 5oo lb. fat man in the right seat!

[robbz28]

I'm an old bracket racer and had my 87 camaro tuned up and running in the 11:9's. It is about what you want to do with a car. New cars are kind of like new computers...yeah, mine has a 4000 mhz processor, but I can only use half of that...I guess it's bragging rights. You can take someone who don't know how to drive a car and put them in a new Shelby or ZR1 or whatever, and someone who know's what they are doing and put them in a base coupe and the experienced person will more than likely wax his tail...

[Dime]

The ZL1 has being dominating the new gt500 around the track with most reviews I've seen. If a lower powered camaro is out running it around a track, then there's not way a gt500 is outrunning a ZR1 in any race, be it straight lines or around turns.

[Pete]

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-world-s-greatest-drag-race-2-.html (http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-world-s-greatest-drag-race-2-.html)


Show you buddy this video.
New 660 hp Shelby Mustang GT500

Mustang does have more power but the Mustang needs to move more weight and pushing more air.

Pete

[scottfab]

They picked a run of the mill chevy over the ZR1 to race? What the $$#(.

[robbz28]

They picked a run of the mill chevy over the ZR1 to race? What the $$#(.

Yeah, but I guess they was looking for something to compare money-wise to the Shelby...for my 55k I would definately buy the shelby over the ZL1 camaro...that's only because we don't have a track anywhere NEAR where I live..If we had a nice twisty track nearby (Or even a nice twisty road) I would probably go for the ZL1. I hate living where I live sometimes..I guess the only saving grace is a 12 mile stretch of blacktop without a curve in it just 3 miles from my house =D thats hardly ever patrolled.

[USAFPILOT]

damn you GTR!!! Shelby looked good though up against those all wheel drive 6 digit super cars. Not bad for 55K. No ZR1 or Z06 in the race though.

[Kevin]

for ~$60,000 I'd pick up an IS-F

[MikeGolf]

I just never cared for any fords.. Even tho they are American made , I just don't like'em. FORD " F'd Over Rebuilt Dodge"
Even if the Shelby had 600 ponies I doubt it would ever hold up to a long distance torture test .( but I could be wrong ).
Oh and welcome !!

If you can show me any japanese 1927 car that will out run a 1927 Model T Ford, then you can talk about long distance torture test.
:proud:

[Daniel_Mc]

...that's only because we don't have a track anywhere NEAR where I live... I hate living where I live sometimes...

Somehow I can relate to this... :mrgreen: You are looking at driving about 5 hours for a good road course.

Daniel

[robbz28]

Somehow I can relate to this... :mrgreen: You are looking at driving about 5 hours for a good road course.

Daniel

I am a HUGE Top Gear fan...and I saw on there a couple of seasons ago where they went to Virginia International Raceway and they have a hotel ON the track...perhaps we should load up one weekend and have a track day...

[Daniel_Mc]

I am a HUGE Top Gear fan...and I saw on there a couple of seasons ago where they went to Virginia International Raceway and they have a hotel ON the track...perhaps we should load up one weekend and have a track day...



Same here as long as it is the original Top Gear and not the American version... VIR is an awesome track but a bit of a drive we have several close. Texas World Speedway (http://www.texasworldspeedway.com/) is one of my favorites it is one of the biggest super speedways in the south it is a fast track with some elevation changes. Then The Motorsports Ranch (http://www.motorsportranch.com/)in Cresson, TX (DFW) is a technical track with nice elevation changes. In the same area is Eagles Canyon Raceway (http://www.eaglescanyon.com/2008/home.php)and that is a fun tough track (make sure you have spare brake pads). NOLA Motorsports (http://www.nolamotor.com/)in open in the first phase in New Orleans and when completed will be able to run in several configuration with a total length of almost 5 miles. Barber (http://barbermotorsports.com/park/) outside of Birmingham, AL is a sweet track as well, super clean, super fun, and will kick your butt LOL Road Atlanta (http://www.roadatlanta.com/) is a cool track as well but that is some driving involved to make it over. Same with Harris Hill Road (http://harrishillroad.com/)(H2R) it has a drop in corkscrew that is modeled after Laguna Seca in SoCal. What makes H2R so much fun is the passing, it is narrow so you really have to work to get the pass. Hallet (http://www.hallettracing.net/) is outside of Tulsa and is a good track as well it has some surface issues and one turn called "The Bitch" if you run that track you will know why... I am always game for a race weekend, work permitting, so if you ever want to go just give me a shout. As long as you don't mind me bringing my slow little L98 car :cry: You can find any track days at Club Registration (http://www.clubregistration.net/).

Daniel

[mike100]

for ~$60,000 I'd pick up an IS-F

I could probably think of 10 other cars to have in the price range as well. Ford understands that they can keep diehard blue oval money in their pockets because if they don't make impressive muscle, some of these guys will go and buy a Z06 or similar outside of the brand.

I like the Boss and the new 1LE Camaro variant. I'm still waiting for the next generation of both cars to come along, especially the Camaro because it will be much smaller.

I don't think Ford has the resources to try to make a direct competitor to the Corvette--not as mass produced prices- no way. $200k GT500, yes, $45k lightweight 2 seat supercar- not really.

[robbz28]

The Ford GT was a proper supercar...wish they would make that again...not that I can afford one, but still, I liked it...

[scottfab]

I am a HUGE Top Gear fan...and I saw on there a couple of seasons ago where they went to Virginia International Raceway and they have a hotel ON the track...perhaps we should load up one weekend and have a track day...

I like the US version of Top Gear. The Brit version seems to delight in slamming US cars especially the vett.
The lead loud mouth did this thing where he pressed in on the back flexible bumper and said something snark about it like "cheap".
In general too the Brits tend to think the styling is "tart".
While I was there I never did hear anything complimentary to the ZR1.
Scott

[USAFPILOT]

If you can show me any japanese 1927 car that will out run a 1927 Model T Ford, then you can talk about long distance torture test.
:proud:


true...when all the GTR's are parked and broken 200,000 mile Shelby GT500's will still be on the prowl, even if only at a Mecum auction.

[robbz28]

true...when all the GTR's are parked and broken 200,000 mile Shelby GT500's will still be on the prowl, even if only at a Mecum auction.

Have either of you guys owned anything japanese?? I remember a ford commercial for the fusion i think where they said " Build quality equal of toyota" not saying the ford wont make it to 200k miles...but the jap cars are pretty darn well built...
I love my american cars...whats sad however is my tundra is more american than my last chevy...

[mgbrv8]

I dream I will have a mclaren f1 some day. I have had a ride in one once and it was better then I imagined. Of coarse a mc4-12 would be good to.

Dave

[USAFPILOT]

I have a Nissan Titan; i like it but they went cheap on the brakes, which have been nothing but trouble. The gauge surround is cracked to bits, as well as other interior parts. It is no better built than any Ford or Chevy. the fuel economy is also terrible compared to the domestic trucks.

I owned a Honda Civic Si for a short while but sold it because it was too small to fit my kids carseats in, also the double stroller wouldn't go in the trunk. A pontiac G8 solved those problems.

[MikeGolf]

I've owned a nissan and they are disposable cars. They meant to be driven by today's people that do not take care of their cars maintiance. Yes they may go 200,000 mi. but that is it the car itself is gone, not worth the effort to fix. buy another one and go again. But my Ford truck can go 200,000 mi the body and everthing else will be ok I change the engine and get another 200K. Have a look at the Honda truck the ridgeline, does that design look familiar? Can you say Chevy Avalanche.

How many antique japanese cars do you see at a car show? Maybe one early Datsun. They just don't last. I'll put your '67 mustang against the best you can get from japan from '67 and it will kill it and the same is said for your '91. Why American cars last.

Only time will tell on this bench race. :cheers:

[Kevin]

all cars are disposable these days.

[USAFPILOT]

I am still upset with myself for having let go of my 69 Mustang from Highschool and College. It was a fastback, 4spd 302 w/ factory a/c, not a Boss, Mach 1 or Shelby, but so much fun and would have kept on going. I should have bought a new engine when I blew it up instead of selling it. Stupid waterpump went out on me on the freeway and I never noticed it overheating until it seized. It is very important to get to that Metallica Concert in a hurry back then. I guess I disposed of one I shouldn't have.

[scottfab]

I am still upset with myself for having let go of my 69 Mustang from Highschool and College. It was a fastback, 4spd 302 w/ factory a/c, not a Boss, Mach 1 or Shelby, but so much fun and would have kept on going. I should have bought a new engine when I blew it up instead of selling it. Stupid waterpump went out on me on the freeway and I never noticed it overheating until it seized. It is very important to get to that Metallica Concert in a hurry back then. I guess I disposed of one I shouldn't have.

I hear that. I let go of a 67 plain Jane pony car for $1100. Now I see them going for
$3-5k not even running. That's better return than gold.

[robbz28]

Well my 67 mustang 3 years ago was ready for the scrap heap...it was ALMOST unrestorable, but I like a challenge. If I was to put that amount of work into anything it would be "like new". Personally I have had nothing but good experiences out of my japanese purchases, though I don't really consider my Tundra a japanese truck, but the others fared well, Really just depends on maintenance and how you drive one. My next truck will probably be another Tundra, I have thoroughly enjoyed the 120k miles I have put on it so far and all I have done to it is change a belt. I guess I just like DOHC 5.7 liter engines...lol, one in the Tundra and one in the Z.

[USAFPILOT]

thats what I thought about the Titan...DOHC but a 5.6L in 2004. the big Tundra wasn't out yet so I might have chose it given the option.