Wedding Ring is in for Repair....yea right!

[carter200]

Since when does a plain wedding band need repairs, along with your watch, for a whole month?
Another piece falls into place. In a press conference last week Obama was not wearing his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch.
When noticed, his staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given for the missing watch.
So it's just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from wearing jewelry during the month of Ramadan Can't possibly be that, because although he hasn't gone to a Christian church service since entering the White House, we know he's a committed Christian "cause he said so during his campaign!" ...........And I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you also.

This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays in Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as PRESIDENT at the White House. His children do not receive Christmas presents.

Let's just face the facts and quit trying to distort the truth, we have a Muslim for president in the White House, and he has no knowledge of American history.

[GOLDCYLON]

Carter

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ramadan.asp

This has come up before. It really is rather dubious.

BTW last time I voted for that wreached old senator from Arizona last time. You know the former Navy Aviator, former POW and great American vs the Community Planner.

Who knew ?

Vote folks. Thats all im saying

[Kevin]

those that cast the votes count for nothing. those that count the votes count for everything....voting doesn't mean anything. this election has already been decided and has been since before the last one was counted

[efnfast]

WE THE PEOPLE say get out and vote.
Don't really like what we get, but sure don't like what we got.

[scottfab]

Yes this BS rumor is making the rounds again.
The link to snopes show pictures of him without the ring
but with the watch on.
So it's not a communist plot after all. Just some more of
that "hate" thing going around

"gezzz damn muslims.... they ought to be all rounded up" kind of bull Sh$t. Then it will be the jews next I suppose etc if the radical haters have their way.

I did not vote for the bumping senator from AZ because I don't
believe being shot down and serving in the Hanoi Hilton automatically
qualifies someone to lead this country. I can think of several generals more qualified. Even Hanoi Jane would do a better job. (not really)
Nope we got someone that really pisses off old crotchety fuddy duddies and I'm loving it. My retired airforce step father as much as he was for the bumbling senator from AZ had to admit he showed signs of dementia.
When you hear "4 more years" in Nov. the crack pot crusty conservatives are going to have a sh$t fit.
Hell if I think this way and I'm a moderate.... can't imaging what the radical left is saying about this kind of diatribe and false rumors.

[scottfab]

those that cast the votes count for nothing. those that count the votes count for everything....voting doesn't mean anything. this election has already been decided and has been since before the last one was counted

I didn't get the memo. Who won?

[Kevin]

WE THE PEOPLE say get out and vote.
Don't really like what we get, but sure don't like what we got.

if you think that those who run the country are going to leave an election up to a vote, I can recommend some beach front property

[efnfast]

Sad to think you might be right Kevin.
Scott, you're one of the few people I know that support Obama. Everybody else is terrified.
Scott, you do seem to do more homework than most of us.
Although I trust snopes about as much as I trust the government.

[WB9MCW]

"When you hear "4 more years" in Nov. the crack pot crusty conservatives are going to have a sh$t fit."

If this really comes true then we will see America become a "Social Democracy".

And I am afraid the end of the "American Dream" for future generations.

No longer will others in the world desire our lifestyle as they do now.

Big government will take over all and the middle class will vanish.

Social democracy argues that all citizens should be legally entitled to certain social rights. These are made up of universal access to public services such as: education, health care, workers' compensation, and other services including child care and care for the elderly Social democracy is connected with the trade union labor movement and supports collective bargaining rights for workers. Contemporary social democracy advocates freedom from discrimination based on differences of: ability/disability, age, ethnicity, gender, language, race, religion, sexual orientation, and social class. Most social democratic parties are affiliated with the Socialist International.

Social democracy advocates the creation of legal reforms and economic redistribution programs to eliminate economic class disparities between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. It advocates the development of an economic democracy and the development of cooperative business organizations as an alternative to private enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

WHAT WE ARE NOW AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN

A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. Because the head of the state is elected, it is a republic and not a monarchy.

In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers must be separated into distinct branches.

John Adams defined a republic as "a government of laws, and not of men." Constitutional republics attempt to weaken the threat of majoritarianism and protect dissenting individuals and minority groups from the "tyranny of the majority" by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population. The power of the majority of the people is limited to electing representatives who legislate within the limits of an overarching constitutional law that a simple majority cannot modify.

No single individual is allowed to exercise executive, legislative and judicial powers. Instead, these powers are separated into distinct branches that serve as a check and balance on each other. In a constitutional republic, "no person or group [can] rise to absolute power."

The notion of the constitutional republic originates with Aristotle's Politics and his theory of a fifth type of government called the polity. He contrasts the polity of republican government with democracy and oligarchy in book 3, chapter 6 of Politics. Polity can refer to the political organizational system that is being used by a group, be it a tribe, a city-state, an empire, a corporation, etc. Aristotle also envisioned a polity to be a combination of what he thought were the best characteristics of oligarchy (rule by the wealthy) and democracy (rule by the poor). The polity government would be ruled by the many in the best interests of the country.

Also, a representative democracy may or may not be a constitutional republic. For example, "the United States relies on representative democracy, but [its] system of government is much more complex than that. [It is] not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."

Karl Marx claimed that a constitutional republic is a protective legal framework for what he considered to be "capitalist exploitation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States

SO YOU SEE --- THE CURRENT PRESIDENT WANTS TO CHANGE THE USA BY
fostering a progressive evolution of capitalism will gradually result in the evolution of capitalist economy into socialist economy.

I DO NOT WANT A SOCIALIST ECONOMY LIKE MOST OF EUROPE HAS TURNED INTO.

We Have a Republic, Not a Democracy … Get It Right or Get Out

A direct democracy slides into mob rule which, when the overthrow of the government is complete, becomes Socialism/Marxism/Communism. We, the people, those faithful to the inspirational words of our founding fathers, must now fight against injustice, miseducation and the masses of a mob rule which does not care about our rights. The government is not there to provide services to its citizens. Thomas Jefferson, in the Declaration of Independence, said, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” It’s a self-evident truth that we have those rights and we institute a government to protect those rights.

What is government? It’s how we are with each other and if one person in a society is trampling on the rights of another, it’s the duty of the government to step in and protect those rights and that’s it. We have a Representative Republic, not because the Republicans ‘stand for rich, old, white people’ but because it truly is the best form of government. Take my word for it … I used to be a Democrat because I believe in democracy, but the people of the world cannot take on the responsibility of mob rule without trampling the rights of the people … at least not at this time in history.

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2011/03/16/we-have-a-republic-not-a-democracy-get-it-right-or-get-out/

Just my 2 cents. :flag2:

"WE gave you a Republic , If you can keep it." Benjamin Franklin.

I think Frank U. knows what I am talking about!

[scottfab]

I am simply amazed at my own ignorance. I need to get my terms correct so that I might label what it is I do like correctly.
Thanks for posting the detailed definitions.

[scottfab]

Sad to think you might be right Kevin.
Scott, you're one of the few people I know that support Obama. Everybody else is terrified.
Scott, you do seem to do more homework than most of us.
Although I trust snopes about as much as I trust the government.

I think you're right (on this forum) But then you have to look at the demographics of the members here and map that against the rest of the nation. (majority ZR-1 owners might just be conservative) You also have to consider those here that just "want to get along" and will not voice directly their opinion. Those people may in fact email be directly or though private message their true feelings.
Some fear the retribution (indirectly) by the moderators etc. And I see their concern.

Having said all that I must actually disagree that I am "Pro Obama" as much as I am AGAINST the kind of hate posts (such as this one) on the person of Obama.
I think you'd see me defend Mitt should there be posts about him being Mormon.

I hate what the haters post not the haters themselves.

[WB9MCW]

WHAT I AM AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME NOW

In politics, an independent or non-party politician is an individual not affiliated to any political party. Independents may hold a centrist viewpoint between those of major political parties or a viewpoint more extreme than any major party, or they may have a viewpoint based on issues that they do not feel that any major party addresses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_%28politician%29

I AM A CENTRIST AND VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE I THINK WILL DO THE BEST JOB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrism

[carter200]

Don't shoot the messenger as I'm just passing on info that is passed on to me. Let's keep things civil and remember the misery will be all over on November voting day...............:proud:

[scottfab]

Don't shoot the messenger as I'm just passing on info that is passed on to me. Let's keep things civil and remember the misery will be all over on November voting day...............

Ah, but that is the point. You're passing on false info that's based in hate.
See this link (that was posted by someone else)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ramadan.asp

[carter200]

Ah, but that is the point. You're passing on false info that's based in hate.


Scott,
I do NOT roll that way. What you call hate I call enlightenment... :proud:

[Kevin]

anything that comes in a FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: is probably bunk

[scottfab]

Scott,
I do NOT roll that way. What you call hate I call enlightenment...

Oh, ok
I see.
My bad.

Enlightenment comes in many forms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Enlightenment_and_Propaganda
http://www.oppapers.com/essays/Rise-Of-Nazism-And-Enlightenment-Thought/432212

[MikeGolf]

Just for Laughs...

1830

[scottfab]

Just for Laughs...

1830

That IS pretty funny.

[efnfast]

Thanks Brian, now we just need to get it back, 'cause it's slipping away.

[WB9MCW]

I say vote your heart and mind for the MAN you figure will do the best job for the USA.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

The Thomas Jefferson Building of the Library of Congress, which opened in 1897, has the adage decorating an interior wall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pen_is_mightier_than_the_sword