Anyone recognize this?

[ZZZZZR1]

Anyone remember this?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/c68f8d10.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/fc23a9e7.jpg

A local wazoo member is making them. (25 total and 17 are spoken for)

We are installing this on Rich's car tomorrow!

:cheers:

David

[Kevin]

Yeah Ive seen those before. How much

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Count me in. Who do I pay?

[Dime]

I do... seeing as how I see one every time I open my z's hood. :dancing

[ZZZZZR1]

George Braml is making them. I was wrong we has 13 before today (14 with Brett)

Kevin they are $500 each

Will post pictures tomorrow. These fit better than the originals.....

These can be delivered free to BG in may and haibecks event in April

We might take deposites because it will be a one time "run"

I'll check with George

:cheers:

David

[Scrrem]

We are installing this on Rich's car tomorrow!


Oh, this is going to look so SWEET!!! Thanks George!!!

Rich

[Mystic ZR-1]

Other than looking sweet, what does it do for you? Anything worthwhile or $500 worth?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

It costs alot a dough to look cool!!!! :cheers:

[rhipsher]

Other than looking sweet, what does it do for you? Anything worthwhile or $500 worth? That's kinda what I was wondering to.

[GOLDCYLON]

Other than looking sweet, what does it do for you? Anything worthwhile or $500 worth?

In combination with the open air top filter element on the top and the smooth acordian insert it streamlines airflow into the TB.

This is a recreation of the Coplan airblaster. Which has not been avialable for more than 10-15 years.

Here a pic of mine Pced. Orginal they were just stainless steel. Just so you can see how it fits over the rad shroud.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l498/goldcylon/ENGINEAIR2.jpg


Here is a pic of the Coplan accordian Insert

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l498/goldcylon/snokel.gif

[rhipsher]

Is there any hard data that the Coplan air blaster adds hp? If so what were the gains?

[GOLDCYLON]

Is there any hard data that the Coplan air blaster adds hp? If so what were the gains?

No idea if anybody bothered moving air cleaner units around using valuable dyno time. If it does it wouldnt be much more than 5 to 10 HP in combination with the insert. It just allows air in smoothly vs through the plastic housing and accordian duct. Smoother always tends to be better with air flow so many design studies on that.

I believe it works and it look bad AZZ. Always get compliments on it normally woahh WTF did you get that was a very common question. Mines Pced in a medium dark gray. It looks very good on the car

[rhipsher]

No idea if anybody bothered moving air cleaner units around using valuable dyno time. If it does it wouldnt be much more than 5 to 10 HP in cobination with the insert. It just allows air in smoothly vs through the plastic housing and accordian duct. Smoother always tends to be better with air flow so many design studies on that. The accordion definitely is not aero dynamic. But for the most part it essentially gets the same gains that my forced air induction does "which was $550" minus the un aerodynamic accordion.

[GOLDCYLON]

The accordion definitely is not aero dynamic. But for the most part it essentially gets the same gains that my forced air induction does "which was $550" minus the un aerodynamic accordion.

I completely disagree if you are refering to AO Forced air unit. I have one of those sitting in my garage cabinet. With the exception of the front plate insert that was the best part of the unit. The top of cover on the AO forced air unit was as only as big as the crappy flexable accordian and was pinched off between the back of the plate fillter at an extreme angle to the bottom of the AO unit air input. Poor design with a major choke point.

The coplan however uses the entire open top of the filter must like the K&N open air set up and then adds the smooth interior design to the housing and the accordian duct. Best of both worlds would be to keep the plate insert add the coplan. Also the AO unit is completely made of plastic. These units are stainless steel. Really no comparison IMHO.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

My new car has the K&N three inlet system. Like a claw. I don't really like it as much as this aluminum piece. I don't drag race anyway. Just like the way it looks and I'm a fool for good craftsmanship.

[GOLDCYLON]

My new car has the K&N three inlet system. Like a claw. I don't really like it as much as this aluminum piece. I don't drag race anyway. Just like the way it looks and I'm a fool for good craftsmanship.


http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12940&highlight=dyno


Locobob did a test of the standard vs K&N and SLP Claw. Basic conclusion was increase in Mid range power but not enough difference to determine a winner beyond standard dyno variance.

Bottom line your mileage may vary.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I'd like to buy a smooth connection to replace the accordian piece. Mine has the stiffener inside. Mine has the smooth connection but I'd like one in black.

[Kevin]

George Braml is making them. I was wrong we has 13 before today (14 with Brett)

Kevin they are $500 each

Will post pictures tomorrow. These fit better than the originals.....

These can be delivered free to BG in may and haibecks event in April

We might take deposites because it will be a one time "run"

I'll check with George

:cheers:

David

Looks great, I'll pass @ $500

[Kevin]

Other than looking sweet, what does it do for you? Anything worthwhile or $500 worth?

there's a reason they weren't being made anymore

[rhipsher]

I completely disagree if you are refering to AO Forced air unit. I have one of those sitting in my garage cabinet. With the exception of the front plate insert that was the best part of the unit. The top of cover on the AO forced air unit was as only as big as the crappy flexable accordian and was pinched off between the back of the plate fillter at an extreme angle to the bottom of the AO unit air input. Poor design with a major choke point.

The coplan however uses the entire open top of the filter must like the K&N open air set up and then adds the smooth interior design to the housing and the accordian duct. Best of both worlds would be to keep the plate insert add the coplan. Also the AO unit is completely made of plastic. These units are stainless steel. Really no comparison IMHO. After thoroughly looking at mine I don't see the pinch point you mention. Mine is wide open all the way through and opens up into the filter box. And where it opens up is at least 3.5 to 4" away from the filter. I just don't see a pinch point.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2012-03-24_23-20-23_1-1.jpg
Open air temp sensor.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2012-03-24_23-20-48_826.jpg

[Brad Sewell]

If anyone is buying one of these units I would be interested in buying your oe unit.

[GOLDCYLON]

After thoroughly looking at mine I don't see the pinch point you mention. Mine is wide open all the way through and opens up into the filter box. And where it opens up is at least 3.5 to 4" away from the filter. I just don't see a pinch point.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2012-03-24_23-20-23_1-1.jpg
Open air temp sensor.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/2012-03-24_23-20-48_826.jpg


The pinch point im refering too is where the air from the accordian reaches only 25% of the filter area of the bottom of the filter housing. Im talking air flow not an actual pinch off of the flexable duct. Great Pic BTW do I detect a Air sensor relocator in place as well ?

[RICKYRJ1]

there's a reason they weren't being made anymore


One can ask that same question about many Z specific or even C4 parts. As with most ZR-1 parts it had a limited market. George is a master metal fabricator and he to is making enough to fill the current demand. I have an original on my car, painted it black (looks trick)
It is what GC said it is, a better functioning open air filter sytem that flows better & looks better doing it :flag:
$500.00 is more than reasonable, I paid that much years ago.

[ZZZZZR1]

there's a reason they weren't being made anymore

Kevin

This is one of here most sought after "aftermarket" parts I have ever heard about

George is making 20 to 25 units maximum. I doubt they will last 2 months

We will see if you are right

David

[Kevin]

Kevin

This is one of here most sought after "aftermarket" parts I have ever heard about

George is making 20 to 25 units maximum. I doubt they will last 2 months

We will see if you are right

David

I spoke to Mark Coplan about this piece years ago in BG. He said he wouldn't make them anymore because there was no HP difference between the stock unit and this one. I have no doubts that this will be a top notch piece when finished, I have no doubt that George will sell everyone he chooses to make.

I should apologize for my short posts last night with lack of detail. I had been out all day and got home late and tired.

[ZZZZZR1]

I spoke to Mark too and got permission to do them. I agree that there is minimal hp gain and it is more of an appearance modification

But aesthetically I think it is one of the best engine bay modifications

:cheers:

David

[Kevin]

no doubt that it looks fantastic.

[rhipsher]

Great Pic BTW do I detect a Air sensor relocator in place as well ? That would be correct. When I first saw it I thought it was just a screw sticking out of there until I realized what it was and thought that's probably the perfect location for it. I asked Corey one if that forced air was just for show or actually did something. He said its good for about 4 or 5 hp. He said it really comes into play at high spears. That area right in front of the front license plate becomes a high pressure point and forces fresh cool air into the air box. The only draw back is that I did find a dried up dead bird up in there once. So about once every 6 months I have to clean the K&N filter.

[USAFPILOT]

I'd rather someone remanufacture the Forced air design.

[rhipsher]

The problem is with a limited production car and not much demand its not worth the trouble to tool up for it if your only gonna sell a few dozen of them. That why allot of after market ZR-1 stuff came to a stop 10-15 years ago. I could make all kinds of killer stuff for our cars that is far better than the OE equipment but I'd starve to death trying to make a living off of it. Now if I made after market stuff for c4 c5 and c6's then it would be worth it. But unfortunately I don't know a Damn thing about a c5 or c6 to know what could be improved on them. So its a non starter. And as far as gaskets and used and Nos parts go Jerry's got that covered.

[cvette98pacecar]

The problem is with a limited production car and not much demand its not worth the trouble to tool up for it if your only gonna sell a few dozen of them. That why allot of after market ZR-1 stuff came to a stop 10-15 years ago. I could make all kinds of killer stuff for our cars that is far better than the OE equipment but I'd starve to death trying to make a living off of it. Now if I made after market stuff for c4 c5 and c6's then it would be worth it. But unfortunately I don't know a Damn thing about a c5 or c6 to know what could be improved on them. So its a non starter. And as far as gaskets and used and Nos parts go Jerry's got that covered.

The niche that we represent is less than 100 of the >5888 available cars. So if you build anything you might have 2% of all ZR-1 owners that are interested.

[aafc]

rhipsher
I have the AO intake , just add some pool screening to the back of the
AO intake. just check and clean as needed. works great!

John Becker
one of a few auto(4l80e) transmission eq ZR-1's
white/black # 2546

[rhipsher]

As far as any mechanical NA parts go Carter has that cover. And if its something that requires CNC machines to make I've got that covered. But I think what is going to be absolutely crucial to reproduce are the electrical wireing harnesses. Once those fall apart we are in trouble. Somebody needs to start thinking about that now.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

The problem is with a limited production car and not much demand its not worth the trouble to tool up for it if your only gonna sell a few dozen of them. That why allot of after market ZR-1 stuff came to a stop 10-15 years ago. I could make all kinds of killer stuff for our cars that is far better than the OE equipment but I'd starve to death trying to make a living off of it. Now if I made after market stuff for c4 c5 and c6's then it would be worth it. But unfortunately I don't know a Damn thing about a c5 or c6 to know what could be improved on them. So its a non starter. And as far as gaskets and used and Nos parts go Jerry's got that covered.

Being that the majority of my business is 53-55 Corvettes, I've found it necessary to manufacture around 15 items. With a total of only 300 53's produced, you'd think that there would barley be a market for parts. Not true. While some of my parts are under $500 each, some are well over $2k for each part. Keep in mind that the ZR-1 market is even larger.

I doubt that anyone could actually make much of a living selling just aftermarket parts for ZR-1's. Supplementing your income or business is very possible supplying to our market though, IMO.

Most parts requested for me to consider manufacturing would have to be $500 or more to justify my labor. Anything less just isn't worth my time unless it's easy to manufacture or farmed out to a small job shop, which some are.

So, with that being said, the airbox is only worth what someone feels it's worth. $500??? No biggie. I like the looks and the craftsmanship. I don't drag race or like high speed anyway. Just a lot of torque.

[ZZZZZR1]

Pictures of Rich's "new" engine with George's new Stainless Steel air box

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/d72e6a0d.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/67b7b8a6.jpg

[Kevin]

looks great

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Sweet! I'm getting ready to powder coat my LT5 components and think I'll powder coat the air box the same color.

[RICKYRJ1]

Hey Rich, great job on performance as well as cosmetic mods on your car. You have done of ton of work to her so now it is time to enjoy. Hope to see her next Sat. at the dyno day & brother Darrins estate. :cheers:

[Scrrem]

Hey Rich, great job on performance as well as cosmetic mods on your car. You have done of ton of work to her so now it is time to enjoy. Hope to see her next Sat. at the dyno day & brother Darrins estate. :cheers:

Thanks Ricky...I'm trying to be more like you!!! It really came out better that I expected. I have to finish a couple of cosmetic items to resolve and I'll post up some ZR-1 porn!!
Rich

[ZZZZZR1]

Thanks Ricky...I'm trying to be more like you!!! It really came out better that I expected. I have to finish a couple of cosmetic items to resolve and I'll post up some ZR-1 porn!!
Rich

The pictures do not give the paint job justice

It's definitely over the top!

Everyone has to step up their game. (hint hint Ricky!)

:proud:

David

[cvette98pacecar]

The pictures do not give the paint job justice

It's definitely over the top!

Everyone has to step up their game. (hint hint Ricky!)

:proud:

David


http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa468/rdemarco06/c68f8d10.jpg

Okay, Ricky here is an idea. Box gloss black with the red splash.

[GOLDCYLON]

Pictures of Rich's "new" engine with George's new Stainless Steel air box

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/d72e6a0d.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/67b7b8a6.jpg


David PM sent!!!! The filter is on wrong

[tomtom72]

Yea, and I find that the Fram filters do not fit as well as the GM filters. It seems to me that the air box closes tighter with the GM filters.

btw, the a/f is in upside down.;)

[GOLDCYLON]

Yea, and I find that the Fram filters do not fit as well as the GM filters. It seems to me that the air box closes tighter with the GM filters.

btw, the a/f is in upside down.;)

Frams are always a little fatter :cheers:

[ZZZZZR1]

George is offering custom bolts (included)for the Air Box

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/7b450155.jpg


I'll post up a new thread for others who are interested

:cheers:

David

[Kevin]

Frams are always a little fatter :cheers:

i tried to install a fram on my mustang, wouldn't fit

[Blue Flame Restorations]

George is offering custom bolts (included)for the Air Box

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/7b450155.jpg


I'll post up a new thread for others who are interested

:cheers:

David

Dave, wouldn't the knurled fasteners come with it for the price?

[ZZZZZR1]

Dave, wouldn't the knurled fasteners come with it for the price?

Bret

As stated, they are included. :)

:cheers:

David

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Bret

As stated, they are included. :)

:cheers:

David


Oh........Sorry Dave. :o

[phrogs]

Jesus Looks like I need to fire up the tig welder thats nuts.

[Corbusa]

Does someone make a smooth boot rather than the accordian thingy:) ? Also will these housings need to be painted or powder coated???

[Scrrem]

Does someone make a smooth boot rather than the accordian thingy:) ? Also will these housings need to be painted or powder coated???

Samco makes a smooth air duct,I have one now but don't care for it. It's so slick on the inside, no matter how tight I get the clamps. it has slipped of the air horn a couple of times.

I thought about putting the buffer to it....maybe too "Blingy" huh?
Rich

[cvette98pacecar]

Does someone make a smooth boot rather than the accordian thingy:) ? Also will these housings need to be painted or powder coated???

They are Stainless Steel. The hardest thing will be keeping them clean.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I may PC mine the same color as my LT5.

[VetteMed]

Jesus Looks like I need to fire up the tig welder thats nuts.

Judging by the number of these already spoken for, I think you and I are in the minority with thinking that. :handshak:

[phrogs]

Judging by the number of these already spoken for, I think you and I are in the minority with thinking that. :handshak:


Well how do you mean? I was talking about its time for me to make my own run since this will be the only run he is doing.

oh hell im not going to be able to do it anyway

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Well how do you mean? I was talking about its time for me to make my own run since this will be the only run he is doing.

oh hell im not going to be able to do it anyway


I may do them for future needs.

[Paul Workman]

Does someone make a smooth boot rather than the accordian thingy:) ? Also will these housings need to be painted or powder coated???

Another innovation of the Copelin (sp?) air box was a metal sleeve that was inserted into the accordion tube. The sleeve keeps the tube from collapsing at WOT, AND smoothes the relatively high velocity air flow within.

I built mine from some 16 ga. aluminum sheeting - folded into an oval with the seams held by pop-rivets.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/tech%20files/LT5intakesleeveLarge2.jpg

Prior to drilling and putting in the rivets, I slipped the sleeve into the accordion and then expanded the sleeve for a snug fit, and then drew a line on the inside of the sleeve, along the under lapped edge.

The seam is a bit crude, but functional AND not visible. (If I had a TIG welder, it could have been almost seamless. That would be the bee's knees, but I digress...)

In addition to the support of the accordion tube, by extending the sleeve under the lip of the plastic filter air box, the lip becomes sandwiched between the sleeve and the hose clamp/accordion tubing. This serves in eliminating the annoying habit of the accordion slipping off of the filter box. (AND, for good measure, a sheet metal screw or two can be installed after drilling trough the bottom side of the hose clamp/accordion, filter box lip, and into the sleeve underneath it all to secure all those pesky joint members - the hose clamp included! ;) - See diagram)

"Nourishment for contemplation";)

P.