Probably the coolest Zr-1 videos I've ever seen

[Torchred96]

I apologize of course if thiss is a repost...I did search and didn't find them.
This guy imho is an excellent driver and in particular have a look at the first vid at 2:20 OMFG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbqDS78zeQw&feature=autoplay&list=ULE7kXaW-tzes&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kXaW-tzes&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

BE PROUD of your Z and Enjoy... I smiled through the whole thing!!

[Daniel_Mc]

GAWD... I need to get back to the track ASAP!!! Thanks for the links any idea if this is the ZR-1 that moved to Japan recently?

Daniel

[mgbrv8]

Very Nice

Dave

[scottfab]

Wish I could see the speed-o during this :)

[mgg]

You think that guy can drive? Obviously you have neverbeen in a car with a someone who knows how to drive. Don't get me wrong the video is fun to watch but how anyone who is doing or not doing what this guy is doing could get solo'd is amazing. Not one time does he match revs on any downshift, absolutely no heel & toe going at all. He is VERY fortunate he did not spin the car multiple times. I agree I enjoy watching and hearing the ZR-1 but as a driver this guy would go back for some serious instruction.

[a1991zr1]

we all have to learn somewhere he is lucky enough to a have the zr1 and be learn it potential on a track:saluting:

[mgg]

No argument there. Track days are available just about everywhere. My post did not come out the way it should have. I do not want to be critical and it did look that way after I read it. I really enjoyed the video and nothing is better than watching a corvette go by a bunch of german corvairs. I guess my point is if you have been to the track you will soon find out that driving is THEmost important ingrediant in going fast. A student that I had at my last track day was in a o5 CTS-V. In front of us was a new GT-3 with all the goodies. He made a comment that the GT-3 would leave him for dead. this was an intermediate student. In two laps we passed the GT-3 and lapped him before the session was concluded in 20 minutes. I had been lucky enough to have some really good people teach me some good techniques and I love nothing better than to share what I have learned with others. I love my Zr-1 and my racecar and nothing better than sticking it to more expensive modern so called supercars. However , and not to be critical I would not use that video as a instructing tool. I am truly surprised by what they allow at the venue for passing. That would not fly in the STATES. I love the sound and power the ZR-1 in the video is demonstrating. Pretty cool and please accept my apologies if I offended anyone.

[WB9MCW]

MGG no need for an apology I think your points are well put and constructive.

The vid is really KOOL and does show off the KOTH well even with a less than perfect driver.

Just goes to show the ZR-1 can still rip even with a less than perfect driver.

[a1991zr1]

MGG no need for an apology I think your points are well put and constructive.

The vid is really KOOL and does show off the KOTH well even with a less than perfect driver.

Just goes to show the ZR-1 can still rip even with a less than perfect driver.

I agree no apology needed that is what i meant thanks for the video as it is awesome performance of a zr1. it also just goes to show that sometimes its not the car that will beat you its the driver he he he

[HADI-ZR1]

This is crime race!!! Wooow
I wish I drive as him =D>
Damn the driver was dancing with his ZR-1 no worry at all,mostly hitting 8k !

[rhipsher]

These videos are not new. I posted them up a couple of years ago. It got about the same reaction. Most enjoyed it but there were a few that just wanted to pick it apart.

[Torchred96]

To the complete novice..like me, all I am seeing is the zr1 sounding spectacular and passing a lot of obviously more expensive cars...many of them seem to be holding their own in terms of acceleration and then being overtaken in the turns.

I didn't know that this is not allowed in the states. I thought he was just being an aggressive driver. So, are you saying then that only reason he is passing everyone is not due to skill or a superior car, but rather the others are simply yielding to his haphazard driving? Well, now that you mention it, I can see that too. But that wasn't my first impression of the video. All I could think of is making the wrong decision left or right and ending up rear ending someone....but, again, I just thought that's why racing is not for me.

No apologies necessary, however maybe just stating the facts about what is allowed and what is not allowed would have come across more constructively.

[Aurora40]

So, are you saying then that only reason he is passing everyone is not due to skill or a superior car, but rather the others are simply yielding to his haphazard driving?

I'm not an expert at all. But that is what those videos always looked like to me. Look at the 1 min mark of that first video, the guy divebombs the inside of two cars, cuts across to the inside of the next turn (look how close that GT3 is in his mirror as he does it), divebombs another guy, then slides all the way across the track practically losing it.

How would you like to be out there in your personal vehicle, no insurance coverage, etc, with a guy driving like that? He's not paying to fix your car if he hits you.

I mean, you want to be aggressive with the car, but that guys' videos always struck me as reckless.

Cool to watch though.

[USAFPILOT]

No way y'all...the coolest ZR-1 video out there is the one Rhipsher has of me running the qtr with the power key off!

As far as heel toe shifting in our car, I have no idea how to do it. I've tried numerous times and can't figure out how to position my feet. I can match revs down shifting, but cannot brake at the same time. Maybe our pedals aren't setup right?

[MikeGolf]

What is the purpose of a bunch of cars with roll bars on a race track other than competition. The point is to win. I wouldn't want to have that power and have to follow a slower car around the track all day. I can do that on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Where I come from rubbing is racing.

[Torchred96]

Well, like I said, I just thought this sport was for people with way more money than I could imagine and where you dont care about wrecking your or someone else's car. I didn't know they didn't have some kind of track insurance or even if that exists. or if it was his car or someone else that paid him to go out and race it like he stole it. ..lots of I dunno's actually

I didn't say I would like to be out there with these guys on the track..I just didnt know that wasn't allowed in the states. I'm with the other guys though who said, what's the point of following a slow car around the track.

I thought the guy was there to race and was doing a good job. Now that you put it as you do, I'm thinking ...how inconsiderate. Like i said, i just didnt know what the rules were..and really still dont.

and again, as a first impression, it looks like the guy is doing very well and doing the z proud. ...who knew he was being an idiot..I didn.t

I stand corrected I guess.

[Aurora40]

Nothing I saw suggested it is a race. It looks like a driving event, where the goal is to have fun. I'd find it hard to have fun if that guy was driving near me. there are also generally acceptable areas/ways of passing. You aren't stuck behind people slower, but you can't just run them off the track either.

Though even in a race, some amount of courtesy/professionalism is expected. Otherwise just get a push bar and hit everyone in the rear 1/4, spin 'em off the track.

Anyway, whatever. The vids are cool. I guess different strokes when it comes to driving style.

[HADI-ZR1]

Racing in ZR-1 as in that track , you have to be AGGRESSIVE, you should have DRAGON HEART, and to have SOUL in your Z.
:wink:

[Kevin]

Though even in a race, some amount of courtesy/professionalism is expected. Otherwise just get a push bar and hit everyone in the rear 1/4, spin 'em off the track.

.

now this is a form of racing I can get behind

[rhipsher]

If you can't afford to wreck your car road racing or drag racing then you should'nt be doing it in the first place. I suspect 90% can't afford it.

[HADI-ZR1]

If you can't afford to wreck your car road racing or drag racing then you should'nt be doing it in the first place. I suspect 90% can't afford it.

I AGREE!!
:cheers:

[Aurora40]

If you can't afford to wreck your car road racing or drag racing then you should'nt be doing it in the first place. I suspect 90% can't afford it.

What a weird and elitist thing to say. So only rich people should try to have fun on a road course? If you venture on a track, you should expect someone else to wreck your **** because they don't care about money or property?

[rhipsher]

What a weird and elitist thing to say. So only rich people should try to have fun on a road course? If you venture on a track, you should expect someone else to wreck your **** because they don't care about money or property? Its not an elitist attitude! Thats the risk you take. It might not even be someone driving reckless. Just loosing it around a corner could total it. The whole point of going to the track is to drive faster than you can on the street. You can't control how aggressively some people decide to drive on track days. So just get out of their way. Seems like an easy thing to do don't you think? The point is that you are ultimately responsible for putting yourself in those situations.

[mgg]

I AGREE!!
:cheers:
Folks, I hate to inform you that these videos are of a track day event NOT A RACE!! You do not rub on a track day. These cars many of which do not have roll bars , fire systems etc. This does not mean you do not want to pass the guy in front of you but you do it with reasonable caution. Now if you want to race , get out there with other people who a of comparable skill level in race cars with safety equipment and have at it. Having a competition license for racing mean you have demonstrated a certain skill and understanding of vehicle dynamics, driving techniques etc. As for the comment about not having the money, obviously there is much more serious factors involved than tearing up a car. Jepordizing someones life is just a tad more serious. I have been ther and done that for about five years. In that time I had a friend killed and was also in a bad accident that hurt me physically as well as tearing up a car. Track days are fun and can be dangerous but with proper rules you try to limit the risks. For those of you who have never actually raced or participated in a track day event I would suggest that until you actually do it you really don't have a clue what is involved. That is not being arrogant it is just a fact. I have eaten more than my fair share of humble pie while gaining my competition license but my biggest shock was my early years when I thought I knew it all and didn't have a clue. It is much different experience than most people realize. That being said , I LOVE watching the videos.

[Aurora40]

Its not an elitist attitude! Thats the risk you take. It might not even be someone driving reckless. Just loosing it around a corner could total it. The whole point of going to the track is to drive faster than you can on the street. You can't control how aggressively some people decide to drive on track days. So just get out of their way. Seems like an easy thing to do don't you think? The point is that you are ultimately responsible for putting yourself in those situations.
You take a risk walking outside of your door every morning. Not all risks are equal, though.

I think there's a world of difference between pushing the car hard, overstepping the limits, and stuffing it vs some jackass divebombing you into a turn, losing it and sliding off the track and hitting you.

Obviously that guy hasn't hit anyone, but his driving seems to leave a lot to be desired.

[DaveK]

If you can't afford to wreck your car road racing or drag racing then you should'nt be doing it in the first place.

I agree 100% - but that's racing. If this is a HPDE, which it appears to be, then that behavior is unacceptable. I've only been to one HPDE so far, I intend to do more though, but I would not be happy with someone behaving like that. What's more the organizers of the event would have removed someone who behaved that way.

At the event I did go to, passing was only allowed at a time and point designated by the car in front through signalling. That seemed reasonable to me, at one time I was behind a driver who was far slower than me and I could have passed easily, they did not give me the signal and so I didn't pass. I followed them for 3 laps and was bitching to myself the whole time - but the rule was there for a reason.

If you want to drive that way, get a comp. licence and go and compete with other like-minded people. And, no, I can't afford it. :o

[rhipsher]

You take a risk walking outside of your door every morning. Not all risks are equal, though.

I think there's a world of difference between pushing the car hard, overstepping the limits, and stuffing it vs some jackass divebombing you into a turn, losing it and sliding off the track and hitting you.

Obviously that guy hasn't hit anyone, but his driving seems to leave a lot to be desired.Don't get me wrong I've done plenty of high risk things and I cannot afford to replace my Z either. Last time I drag raced I had Mickey Thompson DG's and half way down the track my rear end went out from under me and I started fish tailing badly. Not only did I almost kiss the wall but almost took out the ford lightening beside me. That would have been a nightmare that I would have been paying for for a long long time. But fortunately I was able to counter steer and correct and straighten the car back out. A week later Dom totalled his at the track. I havent been back since. Not that I won't ever do it again just not right now.

[Torchred96]

How can you be certain that this is not a race or that it is a whatever kind of sanctioned event and how do you know the rules? Are yo speculating or do you know for sure.

just asking..I certainly don't know.. I thought it was a race..

[Aurora40]

How can you be certain that this is not a race or that it is a whatever kind of sanctioned event and how do you know the rules? Are yo speculating or do you know for sure.

just asking..I certainly don't know.. I thought it was a race..
That would be one weird racing series. 911 GT3 RS's vs Mercs vs ZR-1s vs an Opel Astra wagon and a whole bunch of other crapbox econo cars??

Also the title of that first video says it was the "Touristenfahrten hockenheim" which translates as "Tourist rides" at the Hockenheimring:

http://www.hockenheimring.net/touristenfahrten

The other says it was a Porsche club event.

Edit: I should say most of my comments were based on that first video, the guy seems psycho in that one. The Porsche club one seems much more in control, perhaps as it is a year later and he's improved, or perhaps because the track was wet he took less risks? The car sounds incredible in all of those videos though.

And my opinion is much like DaveK's. I'm no track junkie, only done one HPDE. But I definitely wouldn't keep doing it if everyone else out there drove like that.

[Torchred96]

Agreed, it would be, but arent there lots of races where more than one class of cars competes on the same track and at the same time? I'm not sure what "Tourist Rides" means any more than I know what Touristenfahrten hockenheim meant.

Anyway, forget it...it's not that cool anymore.

[Aurora40]

The link has a little button to change it to english.

[HADI-ZR1]

Bob,
When you go to race you should expect damaging the trans. , engine, rear end, everything possible due to severe condition All time during RACING !
This could cost you more than wreck your body panel in corners!!
Hope you get my point.

[mgg]

Hadi, I don't get your point. I have been racing the same trans , engine, rear for years with no damage. Thats why you build a RACE CAR. Race cars are built to handle the stress racing puts on the car. A street car which this video is showing IS NOT A RACE!!! Why is it so hard to understand this. Consumables are used in racing. I have to replace brakes, tires change oil. I do not rebuild an engine after every race. This conversation regarding this video really is starting to surprise me. Here are the facts , it is not a race these are street cars at a track event (HPDE) in Europe with VERY loose rules. Is it fun to watch? yes, i enjoy the video and audio. I thank whomever posted it for posting. I am NOT being critical of anyone here. I am justing posting facts about the event that concern me. I have been racing in SCCA, NASA, COMSCC, NCCC for over fifteen years. I instruct high performance driving clinics. I am not making this stuff up. My suggestion is that if you have never done it then don't make comments like you know what you are talking about.

[Aurora40]

Bob,
When you go to race you should expect damaging the trans. , engine, rear end, everything possible due to severe condition All time during RACING !
This could cost you more than wreck your body panel in corners!!
Hope you get my point.

I wore a bomb defusal suit when I did my HPDE, just in case.

When I get a track car, it's gonna have a smoke-screen generator, oil slick squirters, and machine guns.

[HADI-ZR1]

I wore a bomb defusal suit when I did my HPDE, just in case.

When I get a track car, it's gonna have a smoke-screen generator, oil slick squirters, and machine guns.

Hahaha.. Then get This car:
http://media.englishrussia.com/camaro_mod/1_005.jpg

And we call it : MAD BOB
:D

[Bob Eyres]

Thanks for posting the videos.

I've never done a track day, mostly drag racing, which is lots of fun and relatively easy compared to a road race track.
Honestly, it would scare the sh*t out of me to try to drive that fast with other cars out there.
I did notice that the driver wasn't using the gearbox very well, and was that some bad syncros I heard clicking? or was it just me?

[Torchred96]

Mods, I opened the thread but don't know how to close it.

I think it's served it's useful life.

Thanks
Sam