90 is up and running; Code 42

[LGAFF]

I go the 90 up and running, pulling a code 42 and idle is high.

[GOLDCYLON]

I go the 90 up and running, pulling a code 42 and idle is high.


http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12079


Disconnect the battery

[LGAFF]

Tried that it comes back instantly when I start the car, I will pull the plenum and recheck the wiring, etc

[LGAFF]

G. M.�s Misunderstood Codes

CODE 42

By Roy, BAT Auto Technical,Technical Editor

Probably the most misunderstood code (s) are the ones that deal with quad driver circuit faults like 26, 27, 28, and 29. These are covered in part 2 of my G.M. ECM RESETS article.

Another code that seems to bring about quite a bit of confusion is code 42 found on most G.M. vehicles except some Cadillac�s and other E-body vehicles that use code (E) 23 as a flag for an Electronic spark timing (EST) circuit fault.

The EST circuit has been on G.M. vehicles for quite a few years. So, EST can be seen on a vehicle with a high-energy ignition distributor (HEI) or, vehicles that are equipped with a direct ignition system. (DIS) {Distributor �less}
Why EST?
To provide improved engine performance, better fuel economy, and to better control exhaust emissions, the computer controls spark advance (timing) with the EST system. To calculate spark advance the computer uses information from the manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor and the coolant temperature sensor (CTS) as well as engine RPM.
How spark advance is calculated:
� Low MAP (low engine load) = more spark advance
� Cold engine = more spark advance
� High MAP (high engine load) = less spark advance
� Warm engine = less spark advance
� High RPM = more spark advance
� Low RPM = less spark advance
The system.
The EST system consists of the ignition module, computer (ECM/PCM), and the connecting wiring. There are four circuits to this system.
The circuits and their functions:
� Reference.
This circuit provides the computer with RPM information. If this circuit becomes open or shorted to ground the engine will not run, because the computer will not operate �trigger� the fuel injectors.
A common saying here is, no reference no run.

� Reference ground.
This circuit is grounded in the ignition module and the computer; it makes sure the ground circuit has no voltage drop, which could affect vehicle performance. I have found an open in this circuit can cause a vehicle �no start� as well as a false code 42/E23.

� By-pass.
The computer applies 5 volts to this circuit to switch timing control from the ignition module to the computer. The computer is telling the ignition module that it will control the timing. An open or a short to ground of this circuit will set the code and the engine will run on base timing. (Plus a small amount of advance built into the ignition module.)

� EST.
This circuit triggers the ignition module. The computer does not know what the actual timing is, what it does know is when it gets a reference signal. It uses this reference signal as a base point and advances or retards the spark from that point. So, if on vehicles where the base timing is adjustable, and the base timing is set incorrectly, the spark curve will be off through its entire range by the amount that the base timing is misadjusted. An open or short to ground in this circuit will set the code and cause the engine to run on ignition module timing.
Why the computer flags this code.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.� The ignition module and the computer are in constant communication when the engine is in operation. (Over 400 RPM.)With the computer telling the module the correct timing. If communication is lost or a circuit becomes infected with false signals (bad grounds, short to battery +, Electro Magnetic Interference {spark plug wires to close to circuit wiring}, oil contamination of the circuit connectors and wiring) then the computer will turn timing control back to the ignition module and flag the code.
Possible causes:
� EST circuit open or grounded.
� Bypass circuit open or grounded.
� Reference Ground circuit open or shorted to battery� +.
� A bad computer to engine circuit ground.
� A defective ignition module.
� A defective computer.

If you are testing a vehicle for this code check the routing of the spark plug wires making sure they are not to close to the EST circuit(s) wiring. Check the connector terminals making sure they are not over-sized or oil contaminated. Check the entire wiring of the circuits for chaffing,
short(s) ground. Alldata (http://www.myaffiliateprogram.com/u/alldata/t.asp?id=1035) has a very good on-line manual system for the DIY�s that contains all the information and a trouble �tree� chart(s) for the proper method to test the ignition module and computer for your vehicle

[LGAFF]

Saw one of -=Jeff=-s old posts.....might be a ground issue, need to check the bellhousing grounds.

[Pete]

Is the knock sensor ok/pluged in?

Pete

[LGAFF]

Knock sensor is plugged in and was working last time the car ran.

[XfireZ51]

Lee,

I could bring up my scan tool today if you want.

[LGAFF]

At Work in Freeport today, from what I have read (and I don't know much about diagnostic equip) scan tools can't show much on a Code 42, I am wondering if when I did the flywheel I missed a ground. Dominic I will give you a buzz tonight after I look at the car.

[XfireZ51]

We can run thru the diagnostic tree for Code 42.

[Pete]

We can run thru the diagnostic tree for Code 42.

Dom,how about you guys come over here,you done with my things/stuff.
:-D
Pete

[LGAFF]

Well....this is starting to suck

-checked grounds, they are all in place

-Pulled plenum, checked everything, no issues......

-battery has been disconnected since last night.


started it up....Code 42!

WT:censored:

[XfireZ51]

Lee,

Any chance the crank sensor wire was pinched with install of headers?

[LGAFF]

Nope, sensor is fine.

Anyone that can list FSM for Code 42?

I know ECM Connecter D12 is the bypass, with the ignition off, I connected the D12 to the battery and it pulled current. Does that mean that the bypass is grounded out somewhere between the ECM and DIS?

[XfireZ51]

Lee,

It's setting a Code 42 as soon as it starts because the ECM is not picking up timing once rpms hit 400+. The fact that it runs means that ignition module is doing what it's supposed to. And it's running in bypass. I'm assuming that when you turn key to ON, the CEL will flash once and then stay on, Correct?

[LGAFF]

Not sure if it comes on in the "On" position, will need to check, isn't D21 the white wire from the ECM the one that sends the signal to the DIS?

[LGAFF]

Turned out to be a bent pin in the DIS.....thanks Dominic for the help.

Just need to troubleshoot the vac pump not working and I an good to go.

[LGAFF]

Vac pump fixed, 10 amp fuse from the D/S fender was missing...its all done!

[LGAFF]

Can't win, stopped for Gas and starter sol would not kick in all the way....looks like I need a new starter!